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Apple 23" Cinema HD - Gamers perspective.

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robz1k

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well not yet but v.soon.

just a quick intro, stumbled across the forum 2days ago while researching the current crop of 23" 16ms displays, mainly as most people the HP, Sony and Apple.

I didnt think I was ever going to be able to decide which one, got it down to the sony and apple then just about settled on the Sony then stumbled into this forum and I was back to square one! (and Jerry u didnt Help much!!!!)

Jerry if u read this dont take that, the wrong way your views were constructive but if you read the full posts back I dont think you (like many of us) have totally decieded yet m8 ;)

Reason for choosing the Apple are:

a:\it looks a quality made product as most things Apple are built very well (only seen the new 23" on the web tho at present, only apple product i currently own is an i-pod)

b:\same spec as the Sony with a brighter back light not the be all and end all but every little helps,

c:\i was concerned that quite a few people were not impressed with the setup of the sony out of the box.

d:\the fact somehow I have come to the conclusion the Apple will be easier to return if im not happy.

e:\rumours that apple gets higher quality pannels, i am fully aware this maybe bs but it also may be true.

f:\you have to make a decision at some point! I couldnt take any more indecisive torture.

my main concerns are:

a:\how a 23" 16ms pannel performs from a gaming perspective I work with computers day in day out, but this screen is for home and the last thing i want to do on it is work.

b\the post screen issues, i have read somewhere that a user of this screen got the post screens with his Gainward 6800 Ultra which was good news as thats the card im presently running.

c:\the game of pixel roulette. (10day satisfaction guarantee with apple, so if any dead or stucks on delivery i will return.

d:\I dont think the fact the apple only has brightness control on the Unit should be too much of an issue for me, as they are supposed to be setup very well and my current gfx driver has all the adjustment i need.

Ordered late last night from UK Apple Store, Apple were off to a good start with me after I recieved a courtesy call this morning to inform me the unit was in stock to check delivery address detail, thank me for my order and to say i should take delivery Mon or Tue next week, a nice touch not every supplier would do that from an online order.

so watch this space:

An Apple 23" Cinema HD from a gamers perspective, running with a 6800U testing out with doom3, farcry and counter strike source initially, and HL2 if valve get there bloody act together complete the legal battle and give me a key for the already purchased and downloaded copy from steam.

Apple please....please be pixel perfect and keep your ghosting down to a minimum.

p.s. currently running a LG 16ms L1720B native 1280x1024 wanted the new monitor to push a few more pixels from the Ultra.

I certanly didnt expect to ever spend this much hard earned on a monitor, I hope its a wise but costly investment.

Rob (UK Newcastle)
 
hey thats cool. i live near newcastle. but anyway it would be great to get some feedback of this monitor especially froma gamers perspective
 
Haha, no, I'm not offended, but after I spent some time calibrating the settings on the Sony I ended up liking it - I guess I hadn't communicated that clearly enough in my later posts.

If you're talking about image quality, I certainly don't think the Sony performs better than the Apple cause I still agree that the backlight on the Apple is brighter and consequently you will be able to have a brighter image without colors washing out. But if you spend some time calibrating the Sony, you can also get a very good image on the Sony - it may not as bright as the Apple but certainly respectable in its own right.

However, with regards to the Apple, the annoyance of the BIOS not displaying on my video card (further aggravated by having to borrow a neighbor's monitor during the week that I was testing out the Apple), the slight red push that it would default to from time to time, the excessive heat output, and the one stuck green pixel in the middle of my screen were what ultimately drove me to keep the Sony and return the Apple.

With regards to games, I'll chime in some here as well. I played UT2K4 and FFXI on both, and it's certainly harder to compare when you don't have the monitors running side by side. I felt both were excellent as neither showed any ghosting. Subjectively, both looked great - vivid colors, bright images, but then this seems easier to attain for games because games will usually have either predominantly dark scenes or predominantly bright scenes and not a mixture of both where you'd see bright whites but washed out blacks or deep blacks but dim whites. Thus I'd imagine it's easier to attain a good image in a game because you can just tune the image settings within the game to get the best image quality for that game without having to worry about balancing image quality for a whole range of applications. Web browsing is probably a better subjective test for color accuracy because of the high variance in color schemes out on the internet. Alternatively, viewing a variety of DVDs, which I did not get a chance to do, will allow you to assess both color accuracy and also ghosting/motion blur in high speed sequences.

Both also scaled excellently if you're wanting to play at a lower resolution to increase your frame rates - but the Sony has the added advantage of allowing you to scale the image while keeping the original aspect ratio by utilizing black bars on the sides the same way HDTVs display SD. I do not know if that is possible with the Apple - perhaps certain video cards give you the same functionality.

In the end, with both of these monitors you'll soon forget you're trying to objectively assess image quality in games but instead will be immersed in the game itself and having a great time, which is what really matters =)
 
Jerry said:
In the end, with both of these monitors you'll soon forget you're trying to objectively assess image quality in games but instead will be immersed in the game itself and having a great time, which is what really matters =)
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Thanks for the response, I very much like that bit :rolleyes:

dark game test doom3... bright far cry :D I agree with your logic behind not being able to do a fair colour test with games not going from bright to dark so often etc..

The display probably will see a little dvd playback testing r's but i very rarly watch full dvd's on the pc, but most definatly a good test to do.

as for the net it should see allot of it, im on it way too much if the truth be told.

just curious if you have used or know of any good pieces of pc software for calibration? and any software for checking the display for dead/stuck pixels? pixels that i may not notice during the first few days of ownership, I want to check the pixel situation as much as poss in the early stages just incase i need to take advantage of that 10day satisfaction guarantee, it would be a nightmare to notice one after the 10days have passed and be in the relm of trying to convince apple its ok to RMA.

so far on the pixel software front i have come accross this, very basic just flipping you screen colour to the pixel colours but should work well in principle.
http://www.ekimsw.com/lcdtest/

Apple Computers seems to get a better deal on both types of software mentioned above
theres quite a bit kicking around for them, but i guess they got to make up for the lack of game eh...

btw, nice to hear you have your Sony setup just how you like it, I may end up a Sony owner yet, but I will give this Apple a whirl first, I still cant believe ive done it, note to self do NOT let the mrs see the credit card bill :eek:
 
tornadotsunamilife,

nice to see another northerner on the site, I will let you know the crack ASAP! ;)
 
ignore above Q's

Jerry said:
There may also be variation among video cards? I'll try those settings when I get home.

Clank, I've used Nokia's Monitor calibration program but for the most part I compared the colors on the Sony to the colors on the Apple to make sure they were close. I've thought about getting the Spyder2 to calibrate it, but I'd only do that if I ever went dual monitor again I think... I guess it's kinda like musical instruments, in theory if you have one instrument you only really need to be in tune with yourself, but if you have more than one, you gotta make sure they're all tuned the same... and for right now, the Sony is quite in tune with itself =P
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here's hoping, I am in tune with my Apple, my Apple is in tune with me :D
 
robz1k said:
Reason for choosing the Apple are:

c:\i was concerned that quite a few people were not impressed with the setup of the sony out of the box.
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Whoever was not impressed with the sony out of the box is insane and probably impossible to impress. The sony is very high quality and personally I think its the best looking out of all the 23" screens. What did they want? When they open the box its nothing but a bright light and the sony floats out of the box and onto your desk?


robz1k said:
d:\the fact somehow I have come to the conclusion the Apple will be easier to return if im not happy.
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Actually before I bought my sony I called apple and asked what the return policy is. It's in fact harder to return an apple than it is a sony. Apple only exchanges or fixes your monitor, don't even think about getting a refund unless you want to pay a 10% restocking fee (which would be about $200 on this monitor). Once you get an Apple you are stuck with it. Also their return policy is on a "case by case" basis. Meaning if the monitor isnt up to your standards that doesnt matter, they decide if its worth returning or not. Not to mention every time I called apple they were rude and didn't seem too concerned about getting me to buy the monitor.

I've been tweaking my settings on the Sony and I seriously have a brighter, more vibrant picture than the apple monitor. I showed my friend and he is selling his apple on ebay to get the Sony.
 
Calm down ben... I was most definatly not totally slating the Sony as its still very much in my mind as a possible option if the Apple does not work out, since I have not used either I am only going off opinions on the net.

as for not being able to return the apple if not satisfied, heres there terms which i will quote back to them very fast if needed.

http://store.apple.com/Catalog/uk/Images/salespolicies_consumer.html

this will be the quote:

7. Your Right to Return the Products


7.1 If you are not satisfied with any Product or the terms of any entitlement to Services you have purchased from us, you may return the Product to us or cancel the entitlement to Services and obtain a refund of the price of the returned Product or Service entitlement if you contact us within 10 Working Days of delivery of the Product or the purchase of Services. However, you may not return a Product and claim a refund if the Product concerned is


a) Software which we supplied to you sealed and unused and you have broken the seal or which you have successfully downloaded from the AppleStore website; or

b) a personalized iPOD with an engraving made in accordance with your specifications.
You may not obtain a refund for a Service if you have commenced use of the Service.
The transportation charges set out in paragraph 7.2 section D below will apply. (See clause 7.2 below for further details regarding the return).


dead pixel=im not satisfied and its not software or an ipod so your having it back ;)

if I had spent a little more time on this, and found a quality suplier of the sony, i would of probably of bought both with c.card and returned one of them after making a decision but tbo i cant realy afford one, so taking a chance and posibly getting stuck with both is no option.

glad you like the sony, I hope I am as passionate about my display when i get it.

Rob
 
Hmm, *I* was disappointed with the Sony out of the box. None of the default color settings that the Sony offered were to my liking, and the image brightness was turned way down. But it was good having the Apple there to compare the Sony to, because it made me that much more determined to squeak out every bit of performance from the Sony through calibration.

It's not enough to compare the specs that the manufacturers state because they have different ways of arriving at those measurements. Contrast ratio and brightness are two such examples. A better comparison can be made using specs derived empirically using a consistent protocol. Cnet measured a brightness of 282 cd/m2 on the Apple and a 208 cd/m2 on the Sony - although we'd have to assume that Cnet also spent time tweaking their unit for optimal image. So it's hard for me to fully accept testimony that a Sony has a brighter image than an Apple when I've tried to achieve the same objective without getting further than 12/16 of the Apple's brightness. Incidentally, 208/282 = .73 and 12/16 = .75 so maybe they did spend time calibrating it. Maybe Ben Johnson got lucky and got a great Sony or his neighbor got unlucky and got a rotten Apple =P But in any case, it's good to hear someone else enjoying their monitor =)
 
I set my boss up with an Apple 23" Cinema Display on his PC. Most beautiful thing I have ever seen. Clearer and crisper than any CRT I've ever seen and I noticed no ghosting in my tests (3DMark2k1 and 2K3)...didn't have a chance to game with it though. If you have the $$$ I would highly recommend it.
 
Not sure whether it's been mentioned already (I'm off to bed soon so I'm not reading it all) but a few key points to bear in mind:

1) You're spending a lot of cash on a display which only comes with a 1 year warranty.
2) There's been numerous people reporting pink hues on the 23" displays (if you know apple stuff it's normally best to wait until the 2nd revision, my 1st gen Powerbook 12" ran hot, fixed in 2nd gen)
3) It may not work with your graphics adapter if you are running it on a PC. Check the Apple site -> Support -> Discussion -> Apple Displays board for info on that, I think they are keeping score as to which adpaters work with the Apple displays.

Sorry to worry you, but that's what I found out from my research into buying one.

Cheerio
 
rastachops said:
Not sure whether it's been mentioned already (I'm off to bed soon so I'm not reading it all) but a few key points to bear in mind:

1) You're spending a lot of cash on a display which only comes with a 1 year warranty.
2) There's been numerous people reporting pink hues on the 23" displays (if you know apple stuff it's normally best to wait until the 2nd revision, my 1st gen Powerbook 12" ran hot, fixed in 2nd gen)
3) It may not work with your graphics adapter if you are running it on a PC. Check the Apple site -> Support -> Discussion -> Apple Displays board for info on that, I think they are keeping score as to which adpaters work with the Apple displays.

Sorry to worry you, but that's what I found out from my research into buying one.

Cheerio
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Thanks for the info, yes the 1year warranty is pretty bad, and ive just checked there apple care i cant get it extended unless i bought an apple with it.. going to phone and see if they can do anything.
red hue im going to wait and see for myself seems mixed opinions on that one, hopefully its ok.
and found the thread on the apple forum, looks like im ok, my card gets mentioned 6post down, gainward 6800u, 1920x1200 with bios screen :>
http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?128@199.MGWjaOsGyjj.4@.6899e698

Rob, right need some Zzzzzz
 
ben johnson said:
Please dont tell me to calm down. I simply told you what you stated was actually wrong.
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Subjective opinions can't be wrong, he wasn't impressed out of the box.

Geez, calm down
 
mikloyd said:
Subjective opinions can't be wrong, he wasn't impressed out of the box.

Geez, calm down
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Nothing in my post was "un-calm". Telling me to calm down is simply rude, especially when he makes a post wondering what other people think about the 23" lcd's. I gave him my opinion and that's that.

What does this have to do with the original post anyways? The fact that you made a post in this thread solely to tell me "geez, calm down" is pretty sad and somewhat pathetic.

I just think you have to be out of your mind to buy an apple $2000 monitor with a 1 year warranty, and a $200 restocking fee if you want to send it back.

http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?14@94.ADmaaHRQzq0.1@.5998b323

Look at all of the threads of people having problems with their apple. Guess what? The most common problem happens after a year of usage, which is the left side of the LCD starts to turn somewhat pink. $2000 down the drain. Smart move!
 
There ar no such thing as opinions on these forums, I once didnt like a monitor and said it totally sucked. everybody wouldent even accept this and I was banned becouse we arent allowed to talk bad about products
 
Ben, you appear to be misinformed. The Aluminium displays were only released in June, so it's impossible for people to be having problems with them after 1 year. Secondly the previous generation of Apple Cinema Displays were best of breed and had very few problems in comparsion with the new Aluminium displays.

The fact that there's problems with a first Gen Apple product is not uncommon - if you become part of the Mac community you find this out, sometimes the hard way. On the other hand I would be very surprised if any of the problems are not fixed in the coming months or next display update.

The pink hue & uneven colour reproduction are problems with the latest crop of displays. Apart from the cost, those problems helped me decide against an Apple display.

Finally there doesn't appear to be any problems with the new 20" Aluminium display, the problems all seem to stem from the 23" display. One of my friends has recently purchased a 20" and is very happy with it. I'm sure many people have bought the 23", found it to be exceptional and not had any need to go onto the discussion forums looking for a fix. Best to bear in mind that the vast majority of people who go on there have problems so it generally puts their products in a bad light.
 
i find it so funny that people get so dogmatic about the Sony monitors...(actually, Ben is one of the only guys i see being dogmatic about it...there are others).

personally, i like the HP L2335...same panel with a slightly less QC than sony, but a few hundred cheaper, a good 3 year warranty with excellent warranty support.

*shrug* whatever.

cheers,

dave
 
spending anything over $1000 on a computer monitor is nuts unless you need it for your work but just to look nice is crazy and a waste of money. saying that you could get a refurb 21" sont trinitron crt for $200 which will kill the apple display in IQ and everything else. I can buy 10 of those for 1 LCD You people are insane
 
rastachops said:
Ben, you appear to be misinformed. The Aluminium displays were only released in June, so it's impossible for people to be having problems with them after 1 year. Secondly the previous generation of Apple Cinema Displays were best of breed and had very few problems in comparsion with the new Aluminium displays.

The fact that there's problems with a first Gen Apple product is not uncommon - if you become part of the Mac community you find this out, sometimes the hard way. On the other hand I would be very surprised if any of the problems are not fixed in the coming months or next display update.

The pink hue & uneven colour reproduction are problems with the latest crop of displays. Apart from the cost, those problems helped me decide against an Apple display.

Finally there doesn't appear to be any problems with the new 20" Aluminium display, the problems all seem to stem from the 23" display. One of my friends has recently purchased a 20" and is very happy with it. I'm sure many people have bought the 23", found it to be exceptional and not had any need to go onto the discussion forums looking for a fix. Best to bear in mind that the vast majority of people who go on there have problems so it generally puts their products in a bad light.
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Very true, maybe I was misinformed. So the current displays for sale are first generation correct? And I agree, most posts on the forums are regarding problems, but the fact of the matter is that if the problem occurs to multiple people chances are its a problem with the design of the monitor and will probably happen to you. But then again I'd like to see a company make a monitor without any problems at all. I just find the 1 year warranty kind of fishy, are they not confident in their product enough to meet the warranty the rest of the manufacturers are giving? That's the way it looks to me, not to mention its more expensive.
 
just to get this back on track, sorry if i offended u ben didnt mean too the end.

and got a mail from apple yesterday to say its shipped so i would expect to have this mon-tues next week.

I agree with the posts about most people only post in the forums if problems arise and i am sure there are allot of satisfied people thats why i decieded to order in the end and give it ago, plus there is a few posts in the apple forums of people saying there are good ones out there cas they have one.. not many people with gooduns will take time out to post i guess.

anyway u will find out if ive bought a lemon very soon.

Rob
 
mikloyd said:
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you lost me there m8 :confused:

update, after recieveing an email stating the display had shipped on Saturday i got another today stating sorry we are unable to meet the initial ship date due to high demand blah blah blah..

called apple today, first person i spoke to said sorry out of stock monitor currently in manufacturing in the fareast!!!! will not recieve for 2weeks!! end of coverstation

phoned back 10mins later to cancel, all of a suden my monitor is in the UK! and i will be getting a call tomorow from the courier to arrange taking delivery on Wednesday along with a sorry you were mis informed on your last call.

while i was on quized them about pixel policy etc 3 deads or stucks can RMA. Also about there re stocking fee yes normally 10% if product has been opened, I said I was not willing to take the chance on a £1549 display not being perfect and having to return and pay out £150 restocking fee, at which point she said due to the fact i have had miss comunications about my order from apple I can have the monitor for 10days and if not satisfied even if it has a pixel perfect pannel I can return it for a full refund and the courier service will be paid by apple, notes to the affect put on my account and reference numbers provided to myself.

so looks like im ok, I can test this monitor out if not happy send it back get the sony and not be out of pocket, but potential buyers be warned apples normal practise would entail you pay the 10% if you return unless the pannel falls under there not fit for purpose policy!!

my advice to anyone who plans to buy is phone after making the order ask about there policy on restocking fees etc say your not happy and want to cancel, no doubt the restocking fee will disapear cas at the end of the day they want your money, if you dont get the desired result cancel on the spot as the restocking fee only applys after it has shipped.

Rob
 
Well, I suppose Ben Johnson can feel somewhat vindicated now =P

My advice still stands, just buy from a retailer who lets you return monitors without charging a restocking fee or possibly even return shipping in the case of a defective monitor. Like Amazon.com! I dunno what Amazon.co.uk's policies are, so I can't really say much for your case...
 
I think it is time for everyone to mug up on their statuatory consumer rights. Perhaps a lawyer can set us straight but if I am not mistaken every consumer in the UK is entitled to return any purchase if not satisfied ?

Of satisfactory quality - goods must meet the standard that a reasonable person would regard as satisfactory, taking account of any description of the goods, the price and all other relevant circumstances. The quality of goods includes their appearance and finish, their safety and their durability. Goods must be free from defects, even minor ones, except where these defects have been brought to your attention by the seller (perhaps the goods are being sold as 'shop-soiled').

Rejecting faulty goods

You have a right to 'reject' faulty goods. If you tell the seller promptly that the goods are faulty and you don't want them, you should be able to get your money back. As long as you have not legally 'accepted' the goods, you can still 'reject' them - that is, refuse to accept them.

One of the ways you accept goods is by keeping them after you've had a reasonable time to examine them, and without clearly saying that you want to return them. What is 'reasonable', however, is not fixed - it depends on the circumstances. Normally, you can at least take your purchase home and try it out. But if you delay in examining what you've bought or in telling the seller that you wish to reject the goods, then you might lose your right to reject.


Even if you signed an 'acceptance note', this does not mean you have signed away your right to reject the goods.


If you agree to let the seller try to put faulty goods right, this also does not affect your rights. Make it clear that if the repair fails, you will be rejecting the goods and seeking a refund.


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Refunds

You are entitled to your money back if there is a fault with the goods, or they are any of the following:

Unsatisfactory quality

Not fit for their purpose

Misdescribed (not what they are supposed to be)

You must be able to prove that the fault was present when the goods were sold. The burden of proof is on the consumer.

Even if you have used the goods a few times, you are probably still entitled to a refund. However, if you have had some use from the goods, the trader may make a reduction from the original price when refunding the money.

If you have not had a reasonable opportunity to check the goods, you could possibly be entitled to a refund if you complain at a later date.


On a brighter note I have a 23" Apple monitor and am very happy with it. The very bottom corners are very slightly yellow on a white background but in all other repsects it is fantastic. It is amazing for gaming and I have only just begun to play around with colour settings which has improved the 2d quality considerably. I do not have the pink hue which some have reported and I am quite certain that if i could find a decent PC calibration tool I could probably improve things even more. In 3d I stand and gawp, it is only in Desktop mode that I occasionally notice the slightly uneven colour distribution across the screen but again that is only because I started looking for it having visited the Apple forums. It isn't perfect but I would give it a 9 out 10. I upgraded from a 19" Mitsubishi diamontron to give you an idea of what I had before.
 
Thanks for the legal opinion but would you sue Apple or Sony or any other online store for charging you 10% restocking fee instead of giving you full refund because you were not totally satisfied with your $2000 monitor and they rejected your request? At least it sounds to me like quite a hassle. Anyway, just a thought.
-loGan- said:
It is amazing for gaming and I have only just begun to play around with colour settings which has improved the 2d quality considerably. I do not have the pink hue which some have reported and I am quite certain that if i could find a decent PC calibration tool I could probably improve things even more...
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Actually, Im glad to know someone's Apple doesn't have pinkish whites. Are you using it with a PC? Where did you buy it from? What did you use to "play around with color settings"? Whats your video card? Are you able to see the POST every time you boot up your computer? How does it perform when playing fast action dvd movies?
If you don't mind. Thanks.
 
Well its D day working from home waiting waiting and more waiting for mr courier...

im like a child on christmas day come on wheres my display..

R
 
Let us know how the apple turns out. Ironically my sony is starting to have some backlight problems. One side of my screen is brighter than the other, which is strange. It's almost like I have a constant gradient going across my screen, which is really annoying. Also I went to a store that carries various LCD's and they had the apple 23", sony 23", hp 23", and the samsung 243T 24" there. My neighbor had an apple and my sony blew it away, and after seeing the apple in the store he obviously had a bad apple monitor, because the apple was much better than the sony. Out of the 4 the Sony had the next to worst picture, right infront of the HP. The HP looked cheap and washed out, I dont know why anyone would buy an HP and not spend a few extra hundred to get a quality monitor that will last a while. The funny thing is when I saw all 4 of them I thought the Samsung had the birghtest and best picture. It has a brightness of 300cd/m2, which is the brightest 23"+ screen out there. The picture on that thing was unbelievable. The only downside is the 25ms response time, but gaming isnt a high priority on my list. I do a lot of other more important things on the computer. When it came to aesthetics I thought the apple looked the best, but when it came to picture quality the Samsung was the winner, but it was the ugliest of the 4, lol.

I'm starting to get really pissed at this whole monitor thing. Why is getting a perfect monitor so hard? Especially at the price of $2000.

So I went ahead and returned my Sony and ordered the Samsung 243t. If the samsung doesnt work out Im gonna get the apple. It's just hard to spend $2000 and get a 1 year warranty.
 
Ooo, I was right about the rotten apple after all =) Yeah, that's what I thought too, that the Apple was definitely brighter than the Sony. I'm sorry to hear about your backlight going... what were you displaying that made you realize that? I check mine with Nokia test every so often and display monochromatic W, R, G, B, and K and mine still looks pretty even to my eyes... did you get a chance to tweak the Sony at the store? And yes, the Samsung looks kinda :rolleyes: but everyone says it has the best picture out of those 4. 300 cd/m2 would explain it =)
 
ben johnson said:
. Out of the 4 the Sony had the next to worst picture, right infront of the HP. The HP looked cheap and washed out, I dont know why anyone would buy an HP and not spend a few extra hundred to get a quality monitor that will last a while. .
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Versatility... its the only one that has component inputs... and after dealing with various Component to VGA adapters having native inputs makes a huge difference. Much like the 2001FP.. its a price vs performance... sure there are better more expensive monitors but you have to factor in cost.

BTW whats the powerball next week? Impressive that the HP like all these new monitors is < 1 year old so the jury is out on how long the HP will last or not last.
 
I hear that cited all the time - component inputs. What kind of equipment do people use with their HP that require component outputs?
 
Out of the 4 the Sony had the next to worst picture, right infront of the HP. The HP looked cheap and washed out, I dont know why anyone would buy an HP and not spend a few extra hundred to get a quality monitor that will last a while. .
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That is funny that my HP looks the same/better than my friends 23"Apple Display. He even agrees with me....
 
Hmm, I guess I do everything through the PC. Wouldn't you want a larger size screen with lower resolution than what the HP offers for all those things anyway?
 
Well, people always want to use one display for everything just to ease things up a bit. I had that dream too then I realized it's just not possible if you want the best out of everything. So I turned to the projectors for watching movies. Then I thought for a second hey wait a tick why not using a projector for everything? I scarpped the idea right and away since obviously, the res. wont be able to stack up against...Gee, ain't life a big hassle??
Out of the 4 the Sony had the next to worst picture, right infront of the HP. The HP looked cheap and washed out...I thought the Samsung had the birghtest and best picture. It has a brightness of 300cd/m2, which is the brightest 23"+ screen out there. The picture on that thing was unbelievable. The only downside is the 25ms response time...When it came to aesthetics I thought the apple looked the best, but when it came to picture quality the Samsung was the winner, but it was the ugliest of the 4, lol.

I'm starting to get really pissed at this whole monitor thing. Why is getting a perfect monitor so hard? Especially at the price of $2000... If the samsung doesnt work out Im gonna get the apple. It's just hard to spend $2000 and get a 1 year warranty.
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I am so ticked off alwready that I think I would give it all up. Can't find one that would make me shed the two grand without thinking twice. Apple was very close but I hate that pinkish hue. Samsung's looking good but it has 25ms. What the....?!

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That is funny that my HP looks the same/better than my friends 23"Apple Display. He even agrees with me....
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I was wondering how the HP looks like via the DVI connection...but the HP looks better than the Apple? Hm....I doubt it.
 
Yeah, but I guess my confusion was due to the fact that everything I see lists HDMI/DVI input/outputs so I didn't get the whole component thing... never been much into AV stuff till this summer, so I guess I missed out on the whole component generation =) In any case I use my PC for everything - DVD's, TV (well, I will as soon as the AIW X800XT becomes available), games (sorry but consoles with their long load times and transition times and lower resolution)...

Hurry up and post your review of the Apple 23 inch LCD so we can compare notes =P
 
Jerry said:
Hmm, I guess I do everything through the PC. Wouldn't you want a larger size screen with lower resolution than what the HP offers for all those things anyway?
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no in my loft office I have 3 screens... I can use the HP to play my Xbox...watch HD Cable...and continue to work on my 2 secondary screens.

I would have to use a crappy Component/VGA box to do that on the Sony/Apple 23"

I wouldnt want as my main screen a 23 or 30" LCD that did only 1280X720 as then my PC experience wouldnt be as good.
 
Jerry said:
Hurry up and post your review of the Apple 23 inch LCD so we can compare notes =P
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i would love to but the bugger has not turned up and I dont think it wil, 5:20pm here.

I am starting to think that apple just said it has shipped when i called to cancel just so i would keep the order (see a few posts up)

I have been on the phone to apple numerous times today as the courier was supposed to phone me, each time they said they have emailed the courier to get them to phone me which never happens, last time i called apple i told them email was obviously not working in this situation can you phone them and get them to phone me, that was 2hours ago.

I rekon they are just stalling and it hasnt shipped!!

not a happy person at the mo :mad:
 
If this Samsung doesn't work out I'm probably going to jump down to 2 20" screens, because it seems like the 20" screens have very little problems compared to 23" screens.
 
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