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BillR

BillR

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19 of my machines are amd xp all running over 2.0 gigs. ALL are over clocked, only one by FSB. In the past 7 days I have not had one freeze. Nope, not one.

I can't see any changes unless the core has been modified. I have made no chages in anything......weird.

Leme know what you are seeing on your machines. Oh, all have
-advmethods and -forcesse in the shortcut. All are running the non-beta 4.0 text client.

Confused buy happy;)

BillR
 
Noticed what???


20 machines??? Are they all yours??? I see folding as fun but you ppl take it far too seriously and wasting a bit too much money on it....


You should get some 2.4c chips and run HT and dual instances...heck you likely can oc them all to 3-3.2ghz range....

I have an amd at 2ghz and it hasn't come close to my p4 @3.5ghz which I paid 180.00 for but that was because he knew it was running 3.5ghz....and I am not running dual instances 85% of the time.

It seems with the gromacs that the p4 does quite well now...
 
its not all for fun.

Its for a good cause which is too help others.

If your folding for the wrong reason, don't fold.
 
The output of one machine is not the issue Duvie ;)

I can eek far more production out of AMD boxes than I can out of Intel boxes if I spend the same amount of cash - AMD boxes are generally just a hellah lot cheaper to build
 
He noticed that none of his AMD machines have frozen lately. AMD machines have problems with the SSE optimizations, usually. BillR I hope the trend continues, it might bring some people back to folding that quit because their machines were freezing.
 
Originally posted by MN Scout
He noticed that none of his AMD machines have frozen lately. AMD machines have problems with the SSE optimizations, usually. BillR I hope the trend continues, it might bring some people back to folding that quit because their machines were freezing.
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Ahhh...very interesting....My AMD box 2100+ @2.08ghz froze once doing a FH protein so I thought maybe the oc isn;t stable anymore...i dropped it down to everything stock and about 4 or 5 Wu's ago it froze again and took a restart and then there was no error log...This was about 2 days ago...I use the same forceSSE command....

Maybe that is why it has done that twice now...maybe I will go bump it back up....

Neither my centrino or my P4 desktop have frozen up on any 1 instance or 2 instance of FH....
 
Originally posted by CyberSlave
its not all for fun.

Its for a good cause which is too help others.

If your folding for the wrong reason, don't fold.
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I do it for the right reason as well which is I know my cpu goes basically unused for about 66% of the day and it is good to have it doing something worthwhile....

I do it for the teamwork of ppl I know....

I just don't see why ppl build that many boxes to fold....not that i think it is a bad thing I just can't rationalize it to myself....

I have a funny suspicion most that have that many do not necessarily do it for helping stanford but actually do it for their own egos....I feel good about telling ppl about it and getting them to use their collectve power to fold, but I can care less how I am doing against any of the 10 guys on my team...I don't even know what place I am on the team. For some it is all about the competition.

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A SELF-LESS ACT HERE!!! There is praise or we wouldn't rank teams, members, and individual users...they made it a competition and ppl who are competitive will treat it that way....

PPL who do it for competition are mainly the ones I cannot rationalize with...the others good for them!!!



I think I am folding for the right reason...How about everyone else???
 
Originally posted by MrBadidea
The output of one machine is not the issue Duvie ;)

I can eek far more production out of AMD boxes than I can out of Intel boxes if I spend the same amount of cash - AMD boxes are generally just a hellah lot cheaper to build
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that is true in most part.....


However I don't run my machine just for folding so it well outpaces my amds and the barton I had in the sense it can run more Wu's in 1 instance and even more in 2 instances and yet I can still use my system.....

I know what you are going to say...So can you...well you can cause FH is low priority, but on an HT system I can run heavy cpu intensive apps like encoding, rendering, capturing, etc with minimal 25-40% increases in time and ony increse my frame times by 15-25% percent...basically I fold and have a 2.4ghz p4 at my disposal....

NOw since I have an amd upstairs and had a barton I can tell you that doesn't happen on those machines....In most cpu intensive apps (same as on p4) all the available cycle went to that app and the FH got virtually no cycles and got nothing done....

So as not a dedicated rig I think the P4c w/ HT is a much better benefit...That is my opinion from having both and testing them....
 
Duvie, F@H scores are competetive, and for a good reason. ;)

Some people take pride in helping others, or for bragging rights (although, I hardly see that here, wink wink nudge nudge ;)), so sometimes our members get permission from companies, small businisses, or other groups that have large numbers of computers, and then they install F@H software on those computers. :) The more we compete, the more diseases we'll help prevent. ;) That is what folding is all about. :p

An example. I have 4 computers running in my room. With more money, I would probably buy more computers, some just for folding. I even asked my girlfriend to install F@H on her laptop and desktop, and to send results in my name. I borged her computers. :p She shuts down at night, so it's really not much production at all... @__@;;;

Visit the FAQ threads for more information. :)
 
Thanks for the post....


I have 3 systems in my house running....

My personal rig
My personal work laptop
My wifes PC

and just added

My workstation PC


I am in charge of all PCs for the company so I can pretty much do what I want except for the one hooked to downtown their techies would not allow it.....

I have about 3 rigs in another office but no internet access to those rooms...have any ideas how I can get those folding and srvice them with new work units??? Youcan PM so a I don' trash this thread....


Sorry I think I have been!!! ooooops
 
Er, I almost forgot... :p

Both of my AMD systems haven't hard locked once because of the -forcesse flag, at least that I know of. There could have possibly been a freeze or two, but I haven't confirmed any.

Another thing I've noticed. Pretty sure this isn't related to F@H at all, but my Palomino has been running much cooler of late. Higher ambient temps, but it's down around 46c under full load instead of 53c. Production seems to be up, as well. This might be due to me using compressed air on the HSF, and removing the dust from the fan itself by hand.

OMG, my mom... ~_~ I let her use one of my computers for email and the such... I've laid out the rules, you know, no opening strange email attachments, no downloading without my permission, etc... So, she's complaining about the computer freezing. I haven't noticed it... So, I'm sitting here, working on something, and she's surfing the net next to me... She says 'it froze again!', so I looked over. Lo and behold, she had an IE window open, and the webserver she was on was being ass slow. Since the page wouldn't open, she assumed the computer froze... What the hell? I swear my IQ drops points when I talk to her sometimes...
 
Originally posted by ’m‚³‚ñ
Since the page wouldn't open, she assumed the computer froze...
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I know I few people that probably think the same thing when a site takes along time to load. The problem is there are many people who don't know any of the "tech words" so they try to express what happens the best they can.

To add to this thread, my 1.2 ghz AMD TBRed(I think), hasn't frozen ever. It only uses the 3DNow boost though.

...I wish my Dad would add his 3.0 Ghz comp and his fellow office workers 3.0 Ghz comp to folding... I told him about folding and he basically said "No." I wouldn't mind it so much, but I built the computers and got no time for labor and am not an employ. I drop hints sometimes how I see no slow down and no freezing. He just doesn't understand.:(
 
Bunch of responses:
’m‚³‚ñ - dont' bash your mom please - she bore you.

Duvie - Although I agree that the focus should be on spare cycles some, like Tournelle especially, are pushing the envelope. If I choose to set up an AMD furnace it's my business. Complain when I start bitchin' that it costs me too much. Also - slide over to the folding community and look at UD monitor. nuff said.

And to BillR - of course they are working now. My Duron had been freezing - 1 week ago I looked inside. I had enough "lint" in the fans to make felt hats!! Cleaned it out and the entire folding communities production shot up :)
/ROFLMAO edit!!
’m‚³‚ñ - My wife, normally very intelligent attorney, FORMER computer programmer, just came and asked me which was safer - putting her data CD's in checked luggage or carry on. She was afraid they might get erased!! So please cut your mom some slack.
 
BillR,
My lockups have always been sporadic, and none of late (AMD 2600+).
If I go another week without a problem, I would begin to think something has improved.
Too early to tell...
Let's hope that the core is improved!
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More Computers = more work done. It's actually a very simple formula. I have multiple personal PCs running it because I can afford to and my personal situation allows it. I cannot always run them all because of heat related issues, but there is almost always at least three of the Duals running, during colder temps there are more. The more work I can produce the better. The more people / machines that get brought to the project and work on it, the better. It's unfortunate that OCAU has had some bad luck and their two big guns have had to cut production, that's lost production for the project even if they were just doing it to boost their personal scores. ( note: I do not know their actual reasons, just referencing the above post). I've tried hard for several years now to spread the word and bring other folks to work on the project for various "teams" because it all falls back to that simple formula. More computers = more work done.
 
Duvie, I didn't start the post to talk about my machines, and yes they are mine..It was a techi thing about an ongoing problem those of us with amd machines are/were having.

Many of us have been doing this since day one, about three years ago if I recall and I've added those machines not for the score but because I believe in what we are doing.

Each of us must do what we must do, I do this.

I could give money to various causes, but with this I have direct control (or at least some control) about where my help goes.

Sorry if that bothers you:rolleyes:

BillR
 
And BillR isn't alone... many of us have been around since the Folding@Home project started. I've had various numbers of both personal machines and some borged stuff. I have had as many as 12 of my own systems grinding away 24/7 on this project... many of which I put together just to Fold, and nothing else. I constructed a server room to house my small "fleet" of crunching machines and my office is now a lot more quiet than it used to be, and a LOT cooler to be sure.

Why do any of us do this? Spend money building machines that do just one thing? We're crazy of course... but also hopeful that by our contributions we may helf find solutions to problems that have killed our family and friends (I have two dead wives - both died of cancer). I have a very personal stake in helping find a cure for things that kill people I love.

I'm currently getting rid of older machines and replacing them with dual systems - I just put another dual system in place several hours ago. I want maximum bang for the $$$ as the cost in electricity is on-going even after the expense of the hardware has been forgotten.

We all do what we can whether it be one machine or even dozens, it's all for the cause. I care little if someone is after big points or big cures, or even both... does it matter? Not that I can see. A contribution is a contribution. ;)

I rarely get a lockup around here, but it happens once in a while. Nothing that is bothersome, and nothing that I can say for sure isn't just another bomb provided by Bill Gate's Virus program - WindBlows... :D

For whatever the reason, keep folding. :cool:
 
I have no problem with that billr, and no need to apologize...


I just spent some time defending ppl who would want to know how good a pc folds for reasons of upgrading a PC...

I was told that no one does this...I said talk to 100's of ppl who fold and then very much do care about ability....

I was then told anyone who upgraded a PC to fold "needs to get a life", twice....

This was over in AT where I am a elite member...I am thinking of taking an extended hiatus away from that hell-hole of amd gamers.....

Everything is about games to them...Give tem distributed computing benchmarks, big deal who cares!!! So then when half the fing threads are barton vs P4 or A64 3000+ versus p4c you can't have a debae cause the A64 destroys the P4 in gaming and evrything else is mundain...
 
Billr, I had one machine lock up in the last week or so, but I have been getting hit with a bunch of tinkers too. I will keep a closer eye on some of my amd boxen.

Duvie, when was the last time you had to stand next to a grave and say goodbye to a dear relative? That is why I fold, I have lost serveral family members to disease and now my brothers mother-in-law was just diagnosed with lung cancer last week. That is why I build as many as I can out of spare parts or upgrades for friends and family. So, as long as I can afford the electric bill I will keep trying to add a box or upgrade some of my existing farm till the very end. I have been folding for quite awhile now so I do have a few boxen laying around, not as many as billr but close.

Have a nice day

T-3
 
Originally posted by CyberSlave
If your folding for the wrong reason, don't fold.
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wtf? I don't know about you but I want people folding regardless of why they're doing it. Whether they know it or not, it's doing good.
 
I also look upon Folding as doing good. I'm not Muslim, but I do like a verse they have in their holy book. Roughly, it says that "accursed is the man who leaves the world no better than he found it".

I have no kids to leave a legacy, and to me, Folding is another small way I can do some good in the world, though it may be hard to quantify at times. I have the means to do it, the cost is not a burden, so why not do some good? :)

Those who say that we're crazy for doing Folding are just too self centered and selfish to bother doing something good for us all, IMHO. Besides, there is self-interest to consider too, for I may fall victim to one of those dread diseases, so it's in my best interest to help ensure that cures are found.
 
I'm not sure why there should be a issue of why poeple fold. If they get off on competition and have a side hobby spending too much money on building folding boxen, what difference does that make?

It's directly good for Stanford that there are blokes out there like that - they account for a hell of a lot of production. As long as the dudes doing this are not spending your money doing it or raising your taxes folding on welfare in their Mom's basement, more power to them.

A person motivations are his own, and they dont need confirmation from strangers. :cool:
 
On the original thread topic, I ALSO have seen 6 days on the new 4.0 client without freezing on my one Tbred B that seems to like the hard lock. (thats LOCK !).

Since I seed Bit Torrent stuff sometimes this can be a real pain in the arse.

I was wondering Bill if, with a freezing AMD, you delete your Core.exe when it freezes and let the client download a new one ? Or if you are running on the same one that you downloaded when you first tossed the 4.0 beta on.

I usually do if I'm not in a rush, since I keep hoping theyll slip a little patch into the core for this SSE bug BS. Maybe this time they got it !

As for the off-topicness:

I fold to do good in communities that I care about, The world being the large one, and tha [H] being the small one. Props to the Koran quote on leaving the world a better place, if being a computer afficianado helps cure diseases or find treatments for them, then that's just one more reason to be one ! I had a few already :)

Fold on !
 
Originally posted by Selecter
I'm not sure why there should be a issue of why poeple fold. If they get off on competition and have a side hobby spending too much money on building folding boxen, what difference does that make?

It's directly good for Stanford that there are blokes out there like that - they account for a hell of a lot of production. As long as the dudes doing this are not spending your money doing it or raising your taxes folding on welfare in their Mom's basement, more power to them.

A person motivations are his own, and they dont need confirmation from strangers. :cool:
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Glad someone finally spoke up and said something like this.
 
Originally posted by BillR
In the past 7 days I have not had one freeze. Nope, not one.
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Beginning about five days ago, three Athlon machines running Linux, all of a sudden STOPPED having problems. Prior to that I had been having lockups and a LOT of "folding instability". I have been mystified about this since I hadn't changed anything just prior to this period of "unusual stability."

Beats me.

David
 
Octavo

I took all my machines and started over about 2 weeks ago. Fresh download of the client, new config file.

If I have a machine lock I delete the core, the client and all files in the folding directory. I replace the client and restart.

I have no idea if this helped or not, but the lockups stopped.

Things I can count on to create a lock up. Defrag (norton speed disk). I don't run it often but if I do I can count on a freeze in the next day or so.

Still can't get a total overview yet, but that's what I have found so far.

Fold on folk

BillR
 
I think that the real point of the off-topic conversation here is that people who fold because they want to do some good in this world don't want to be accused of doing it just because of the competitive aspects. If it's just a game for you, then that's cool. I'm sure that the people folding to do good would like to talk to you to get you to see what a great thing you're doing, but we're still happy to see you folding nonetheless.

The problems that arise on occasion around here are mostly because of the fact that we have people who put a lot of money, time and effort into folding. When you put that much effort into a project, you expect the people on the other end to do the same. I try to step back a little bit and cut the Stanford guys some slack. Besides the SSE lockup problem, it's been a long time since I've really had something to complain about with folding.
 
I've had one WU freeze... and that was on a 3.06GHz P4. I've never had one freeze up on this (XP2700+) or my dualie (Dual XP1600+'s)
 
Of 18 AMD boxes, NONE have locked up in the past 8 days. This is a personal record, before this maybe 3 days was the longest for that many machines (one was bound to lock-up sooner or later). Normally I'd get at least 5 - 10 lock-ups a week. None are overclocked and I'm still using the 3.25 beta client but all the cores are up-to-date.

Despite the lock-ups, I can still process more WU's using SSE (obviously) but I got tired of waiting around for someone to fix the problem. I hated checking EMIII only to discover 3 or 4 or 5 boxen had been locked-up for hours. My work-around (not for everyone):

About 8 months ago I started using an automated ping tool on an OLD laptop that would send a text message to my cell phone whenever a box locked up, set to ping once a minute. The message states which box is not responding and timestamps the ping. The laptop is waaay to slow for folding and I was going to set it free until I found it this task. So, when I'm at home a locked boxen gets restarted almost immediately, and since I live a few blocks from work (my other home), its a short walk home to hit a reset button at lunch or on a break. Its not for everyone, and at 3:00am its pretty annoying but I still wake up, read the message, get out of bed and hit the appropriate reset button and go back to sleep. Have that happen 4 or 5 times in a night and well... how do you explain to your co-workers the next day that the reason you're a little grumpy was because your nerdy little hobby (habit) refused to co-operate and wouldn't let you sleep.

I have my fingers crossed. :rolleyes:
 
ROFLMAO!

SoL, you really need to get some help. ;)

So how much per month for the cell messaging?
 
Originally posted by Chugiak

So how much per month for the cell messaging?
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it's not free for everybody? huh. The sales dork like a year ago asked if I'd like 300 msgs a month as a trial or something... whatever, still have them all, still (I look over my bill) haven't paid for any... just figured it is a "whatever" feature they decided to throw on for free. go verizon.

YOU EARN YOUR OUTPUT SOL. I'm very pleased. :p :D ;)
 
Originally posted by Chugiak
SoL, you really need to get some help. ;)
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I know.:)

But I can stop anytime I want....

Originally posted by Chugiak
So how much per month for the cell messaging?
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Included in the package, I can recieve text messages for free but sending messages from the phone costs 10 cents, so it hasn't cost me anything.
 
I'm seeing fewer lockups this week but I'm mostly getting the same 32pt WUs. Could be coinsidence. Same core as before. Version 1.55 (December 22, 2003)




As for how many boxen is too many, that's up to the pocket book. My grammy used to give 10% of her wages before taxes to charity. I'm not even close to that. Someday I'd like to do much more than that, because money is just money. It's not how much you have. It's what you do with it that counts.
 
Originally posted by turmelle
As for how many boxen is too many, that's up to the pocket book. My grammy used to give 10% of her wages before taxes to charity. I'm not even close to that. Someday I'd like to do much more than that, because money is just money. It's not how much you have. It's what you do with it that counts.
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I agree. What's the point of having lots of money? You can't really do anything with it... I'd rather get something that have money. :p
 
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