Any Unlimited online backups for NAS?

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  1. jordan12

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    Are there any Unlimited online backups still out there? I have been looking and I can't seem to find anything that has that ability.

    You guys have any?
     
  2. dvsman

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    By unlimited - how much are we talking? Also what's the budget?
     
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    Data as in about 25TB, and no budget as long as I can get it all backed up.
     
  4. Farva

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    Backblaze is one option.
     
  5. ND40oz

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    25TB would easily fit on a small NAS, any reason you want to backup to a public cloud?
     
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    atreidesgoldenpath Limp Gawd

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    Backblaze would work great for me, if I didn't have a 1TB monthly ISP data cap. So, to keep my backups, I have duplicate local drives.
     
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    I'd say backblaze too but depending upon how frequently you need to do a full backup and how your ISP / net connection company treats you, there might be better alternatives.
     
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    Keep in mind with Backblaze you can't use their standard unlimited plan with a NAS, you have to use their B2 service which has pricing based on the amount of data. See their webpage for more details, here's an excerpt - B2 is only $0.005/GB per month for data storage and only $0.01/GB to download data. https://www.backblaze.com/business-nas-backup.html and https://help.backblaze.com/hc/en-us...y-don-t-you-backup-network-drives-NAS-drives-

    I have been using Backblaze unlimited for a few years on my server with Windows 10 and the drives in my sig, have about 31TB Backed up with them currently. I find uploads bounce around 150-300mbit, I'm in Massachusetts.
     
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    So with the B2 service, what have you been paying per month to upload that much data?
     
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    I don't use the B2, I have a local file server with 16x internal drives using Windows 10. I pay $60/year flat. With a NAS, you cannot use the unlimited product.
    Edit: If I were, it would be like $155/mo to have that much uploaded with them, and double that if I ever needed to download it.
     
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    Doesn't sound like any of them are going to work for me.
     
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    Time to snatch up some wd easystores from best buy and just do local backups then. This was a contributing factor to why I avoided a nas.
     
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    25TB on Backblaze B2 is $125 a month with no upload or download. For less then a year of cost you could get a QNAP or Synology and shuck 10TB WD drives. If you're worried about fire and water, you could look into an ioSafe.
     
  14. EniGmA1987

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    I have never seen unlimited cheap backup for NAS, they always push you into business solutions. The cheapest is BackBlaze B2 by far, way better pricing than Amazon and MS. But at those prices, within a year you already spent as much as buying a second set of drives and have a whole mirror local backup would have cost. This is why I stuck with Windows as main OS and used storage spaces instead of FreeNAS and ZFS. With WIndows, I back up 110TB for $10 a month on regular BackBlaze.

    I dont believe you can use the VM trick to get around this, where you have Windows host OS and FreeNAS VM with shared drives. BackBlaze wont allow you to backup network share drives from another "computer" from what I remember. So if you want cheap BackBlaze, you must use Windows OS and have your drives local to the computer.
     
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    OP may actually find value in setting up a whole windows pc with drives to mirror the nas, and then use backblaze unlimited on the server (I think it needs to run regular windows not windows server,) and it ends up being cheaper after a few years. Then you have also got 3 copies of the data, which is the ideal amount.
     
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    That is a good idea too, wish I thought of it. lol.
     
  17. Krispy Kritter

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    Cost and data cap issues aside, large amounts of data in the cloud is a no go for most users simply for the amount of time it would take to upload that amount of data (or to even download it again for restoral).
     
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    B2 is ~$5 per TB per month. This is by far the cheapest solution I have found outside of backblaze for desktop use and finagling a non server OS into the loop. (The problem I have relying on that method is you are one ToS update away from no more backups. I would consider it for home use but never suggest it as an enterprise solution. )

    There is an additional bandwidth fee to recover your files after 1gb. Fortunately we have always been able to recover from local backups so we never have had to worry about this cost. They also offer options to have your data sent back to you on an HD or NAS in the event that you need all of your data quickly.

    The other gotcha with B2 is that they do not offer a backup client to the best of my knowledge. If it's a synology NAS you should be able to use the synology cloudsync. You would want to make sure your NAS manufacturer offers something similar or you will need to find and likely pay for a 3rd party client. I run Duplicati on my home server because it is free. I wish Backblaze had a simple desktop client for it's B2 services for basic file backup.
     
  19. atreidesgoldenpath

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    My ISP has started offering an "unlimited data" option that eliminates the data cap for "only" an additional $40 per month.
     
  20. Krispy Kritter

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    Depends on your ISP.

    My point was the time that it would take, not any imposed restrictions.

    My ISP has no caps. I have cable 400/20. It would likely take me weeks to upload 25TB, and a not insignificant amount of time to download 25TB.

    I can understand cloud storage for important data where we aren't talking about huge amounts of data. But backing up a 25TB media collection to cloud is a no go for me.