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I was just wondering if anyone had heard anymore news on the radeon xpress 200 or 200P chipset. In mATX form factor or regular form factor. I heard some of them are supposed to overclock well although msi has pretty much disabled this.
 
MSI is out, but NO OCing on it, ever. Gigabyte has one coming out, and ECS has one out right now that OC's....but its ECS.
 
Yea, I'm trying to stay away from ecs. The gigabyte might be nice any word on ocing features or anything?
 
Superfly3176 said:
Yea, I'm trying to stay away from ecs. The gigabyte might be nice any word on ocing features or anything?
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Gigabyte boards dont usually overclock all that great. It would be nice if DFI came out with a enthusiest mATX board. I might actually consider giving up my DFI Ultra-D.
 
burningrave101 said:
Gigabyte boards dont usually overclock all that great. It would be nice if DFI came out with a enthusiest mATX board. I might actually consider giving up my DFI Ultra-D.
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http://tw.giga-byte.com/Motherboard/Products/Products_GA-K8A480M-9.htm
CPU/AGP/DIMM setting
1. CPU HT / Multiplier / Vcore Voltage adjustable via BIOS
2. PCI-ExpessX16 Voltage / Clock adjustable via BIOS
3. DIMM Voltage / Clock adjustable via BIOS

Yeah, even though no one has this board yet, lets all say its not going to overclock all that great :rolleyes:


Sapphire has a few boards coming out with the Radeon Xpress 200 chipsets. If I'm able to wait, I'll be waiting for those.
 
The radeon xpress chipset in general is supposed to overclock very well. But the manufacturers may not choose to enable it. Another selling point is the 4 DIMMS.
 
burningrave101 said:
Gigabyte boards dont usually overclock all that great. It would be nice if DFI came out with a enthusiest mATX board. I might actually consider giving up my DFI Ultra-D.
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DFI has an 'infinity' series S754 mATX board, but its not available in the USA =/
 
Does anyone know anything more specific about the next nforce4 SFFs to come out?

Or to say it in a different way: Is the shuttle SN25P the best choice for a nforce4 SFF within th next months?

Thanks a lot
 
Iargonaut said:
Does anyone know anything more specific about the next nforce4 SFFs to come out?

Or to say it in a different way: Is the shuttle SN25P the best choice for a nforce4 SFF within th next months?

Thanks a lot
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Only one right now. Not sure if I trust anyone but Shuttle to get it right, either.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
Only one right now. Not sure if I trust anyone but Shuttle to get it right, either.
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Its not the only SFF solution since you can buy mirco-atx Nforce 4 motherboards. However Foxconn isn't something I would trust to go Nforce 4 with.
 
You support my point. mATX has usually been a budget solution; it's very hard to trust one to be stable, let alone overclock. That said, IF I were to get an mATX board, I would probably get an Intel branded one- at least then I'd know it was stable. Course then you get to deal with Prescott's heat and associated noise....
 
You support my point. mATX has usually been a budget solution; it's very hard to trust one to be stable, let alone overclock. That said, IF I were to get an mATX board, I would probably get an Intel branded one- at least then I'd know it was stable. Course then you get to deal with Prescott's heat and associated noise....
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OMG are we going to do the intel is more stable and therefore better than amd thing again. All of my PC's have been amd and even the mATX board in the old pc has been extremely stable so shut it.

If I was going to get an Intel in an SFF it would have to be the S479 Pentium-M. But we were referring to AMD and amd chipsets so I don't know where intel came from.
 
Those with such limited scope should be careful, lest they start a flame war. I'm not saying Intel CPU's are more stable, as I know AMD's products are wonderful (when kept at stock and properly cooled, or overclocked carefully), and their chipsets are rock solid (since the Athlon MP, anyway). But here's the thing- we don't use AMD chipsets for anything, we use VIA, SiS, ALi, and Nvidia- and NONE of them come with a track record that oozes of stability like Intel's. The answer is simple: top shelf ram, Intel board with Intel chipset and Intel CPU is just plain the most foolproof stable system you can build. Sorry if I stepped on your toes.

And I'm not trying to sell Intel here- in all practicality, they don't enter the discussion at all, with exception of unquestionable stability. Obviously the desktop implementation of the Pentium M is out of most price ranges, both in shear dollars and price/performance next to pretty much everything else out there, and the Prescott is unsuited for pretty much anything except a business desktop in a well cooled office- far from things that are small, have power limitations and cooling limitations, and user-imposed sound threshold limitations.
 
AMD doesn't make their own chipset. Its more of a cost issue than it would be stable if. You can say Intel chipset + Intel processor+ top shelf ram = great stability which I don't deny, but for those of us who want the whole thing for under a grand (IE: me) AMD offers amazing stability.

I don't know what Intel's big top shelf ram deal is but I've used the same kingston value ram in an athlon 2700+ than an Athlon 64 3200+ without a problem and without a stability issue. I've also used an nvidia chipset with an ati video card no issues. Intel can't be that foolproof if nVidia and ATi want a share of the chipset.
 
Thanks a lot.But to explain my question:

#1 I want to spend quite some money on a fast (Gaming, Office and some DTP with InDesign and co.) and

#2 comfortable system (2gb RAM, 10k Raptor) (small and easy to connect etc.)

#3 and somehow silent

#4 Even though money is not so important I would like to stick to AMD (3500+ with a nf4) because of the price

Now if You tell me that there is a new SFF or mATX system on its way, which somehow fulfills my "needs" in a better way, please shoot!

p.s.: To my opinion Intel is not efficient enough - concerning price and heat.
 
Iargonaut said:
Thanks a lot.But to explain my question:

#1 I want to spend quite some money on a fast (Gaming, Office and some DTP with InDesign and co.) and

#2 comfortable system (2gb RAM, 10k Raptor) (small and easy to connect etc.)

#3 and somehow silent

#4 Even though money is not so important I would like to stick to AMD (3500+ with a nf4) because of the price

Now if You tell me that there is a new SFF or mATX system on its way, which somehow fulfills my "needs" in a better way, please shoot!

p.s.: To my opinion Intel is not efficient enough - concerning price and heat.
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Well, I think you may want to wait for the Radeon Xpress 200 chipset boards.
Asus, Giga-byte, Sapphire are all planning to release micro-ATX boards.
The Nforce4 chipset right now is only done by FoxConn, and they aren't known for stable motherboards.

If you want somehting now, MSI is the top dog with there Xpress 200 mirco-atx boards. If you want silent thats another knock against Nforce4 since the motherboards all seem to come with those cheap 40mm fans.

 
If you want to wait a small time I saw a small bit somewhere (cant remember) about shuttle and an Nvidia SLI set up coming very soon. We should see something about it when the makers have that show in Taiwan. Sorry Im so vague. Otherwise the SN25P is your best deal right now for AMD.
 
Concerning efficiency per clock while the AMD wins at gaming and rendering the Intel will win at all things office and desktop, especially if you have photoshop, outlook, AutoCAD, video editors, etc open all at once.

And concerning heat, overclocked to 2.5ish ghz my winchester makes the same amount of heat, measured via wattage, as a 3.8ghz Prescott. The newer cores are running a little cooler but still, the thermal output at 90nm is just about parity when you are talking high end chips from either company, the only noted exception being 1066mhz bus northwood EEs, which run hotter'n hell.

So go with whoever has the features you want. If RAM bandwidth is going to play a part in the professional apps you use (such as CAD, video editing with 50+ layers or effects) then Intel may win for DDR2, if massively multithreaded or multitaksing on desktop/pro applications then Intel also might win. If you're doing pure 3D then the AMD is going to out-render the Intel buck for buck, and AMD is deffinately there FTW in gaming.

When the money isn't the issue it is all down to what is the one, single most important task for your system.
 
, if massively multithreaded or multitaksing on desktop/pro applications then Intel also might win. AMD is deffinately there FTW in gaming.

When the money isn't the issue it is all down to what is the one, single most important task for your system.
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Thanks a lot that summed most of my questions up!
(If you are interested: mostly gaming and listening to movies in the background, and using Excel and Word)
 
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