any IT guys here? Are you upgrading to Win 10?

My boss today was tellng me there is no reason not to go to 10. I had to pump the breaks, there is a lot of apps that need to be tested first. Besides that, there will have to be training done. We are also still on office 2007, so we will also need to deploy 2013 at th same time. I will have a lot less time to surf the web in the next few weeks.
 
trick0502 said:
My boss today was tellng me there is no reason not to go to 10. I had to pump the breaks, there is a lot of apps that need to be tested first. Besides that, there will have to be training done. We are also still on office 2007, so we will also need to deploy 2013 at th same time. I will have a lot less time to surf the web in the next few weeks.
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You will not regret moving to Office 2013.

It is a lot less buggy than 2007 and 2010.
 
cyclone3d said:
You will not regret moving to Office 2013.

It is a lot less buggy than 2007 and 2010.
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I've been happily using 2010 for quite a while both personally and at my businesses. What kind of bugs were you having issues with?
 
B00nie said:
After ribbon who cares if it even works or not? .D
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At some point the complaints about the ribbon in Office belie the reality. Office 2016 will be the fourth major desktop release of Office utilizing the ribbon over the span of almost a decade. The whole Office suite from desktop (PC & Mac) to tablet to web uses this UI. It just doesn't wash that the Office ribbon is that horrible given its longevity and universal deployment across every major computing platform.
 
heatlesssun said:
At some point the complaints about the ribbon in Office belie the reality. Office 2016 will be the fourth major desktop release of Office utilizing the ribbon over the span of almost a decade. The whole Office suite from desktop (PC & Mac) to tablet to web uses this UI. It just doesn't wash that the Office ribbon is that horrible given its longevity and universal deployment across every major computing platform.
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Just like the longevity of the start screen doesn't mean it's a piss poor interface for any windows users. I mean, who needs a start menu?

Oh yeah!
 
Chas said:
Just like the longevity of the start screen doesn't mean it's a piss poor interface for any windows users. I mean, who needs a start menu?

Oh yeah!
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The Start Screen is gone after three years and one major release so your comparison doesn't make sense and only reinforces my point.
 
By this day next month there will probably be more people running illegal software on Windows 10 including Windows 10 itself and using more illegal content on Windows 10 than all other OSes combined not called Windows. And the only two things that will happen to them because of "spying" in Windows 10 are jack and shit.

Now if someone uploads child porn to OneDrive that could be a different matter.
 
Win 10 officially signed their death certificate with many people today.
 
heatlesssun said:
At some point the complaints about the ribbon in Office belie the reality. Office 2016 will be the fourth major desktop release of Office utilizing the ribbon over the span of almost a decade. The whole Office suite from desktop (PC & Mac) to tablet to web uses this UI. It just doesn't wash that the Office ribbon is that horrible given its longevity and universal deployment across every major computing platform.
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I will be the first to say that as a PowerPoint jockey and Word maven, I was initially dismayed with the ribbon. Now that I'm used to it, it's "OK," even a bit better. Yes, there are still some things that I have to search for, that were easy to do with the old FILE EDIT pulldown menus. But overall, I think the ribbon is a win.

Other apps also use a ribbon, for example Adobe Lightroom.
 
heatlesssun said:
By this day next month there will probably be more people running illegal software on Windows 10 including Windows 10 itself and using more illegal content on Windows 10 than all other OSes combined not called Windows. And the only two things that will happen to them because of "spying" in Windows 10 are jack and shit.
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This dense act gets old. Gee, why did MS waste so many words on a section when the only thing it's about is piracy. :rolleyes:

Remove piracy from the section and it's still very problematic, and would be from any software or OS vendor. It's the weird MS apologists who flock to any criticisms when it involves MS, and with the same disingenuous defenses.
 
I'd like to run it on my primary machine because I've never liked Windows 8.0/8.1. I need to do some testing first to make sure that one or two older applications work properly. After that I'll make the switch. I'll probably give the in place upgrade a shot and see how that goes with the intent to reformat the drives at the first sign of trouble. I hope to move to an Intel SSD 750 before too long and don't want to reload my OS twice.
 
Been using W10 for a couple of weeks now (Updated via Windows Update) and it's been no serious adjustment with respect to the UIX and/or back-end configuation stuff. This is likely due to me 1) Not using the Start Menu 2) Not using Tiles 3) Locking the system up (privacy settings etc)

The OS has also been quite stable with no weird instability or other driver issues. I'm not running anything a-typical hardware wise, though. Fringe support cases may be a different story.

From my perspective, W10 is pretty good about letting you run it like you ran W7. At this point, and after the whole W8/8.1 thing, that's a win in my book ;)
 
pxc said:
This dense act gets old. Gee, why did MS waste so many words on a section when the only thing it's about is piracy. :rolleyes:

Remove piracy from the section and it's still very problematic, and would be from any software or OS vendor. It's the weird MS apologists who flock to any criticisms when it involves MS, and with the same disingenuous defenses.
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The problem here is that there are LOT of criticisms with NO proof. I'm not saying that there aren't reasons to be concerned but there a difference between concern and making every claim under the sun with no proof.

Microsoft want's to get as many people as possible using Windows 10. Microsoft gong out its way disabling pirated material when there's no history of that ever occurring before doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
MS is bold/smart/crazy enough to capture data "at the bud" - the OS itself (not the browser ala Google).

This point of capture encroachment into your very own OS is what annoys me and many others. "Back in the day", noone was capturing data directly from your OS. You had to go into a browser to do that. Now, your offline OS previously is now online. It's a first here, at least on the level that W10 is sending data off to "apps" and other "services".

Ultimately, how can i know that my privacy settings will be respected? I know they wont, in the long run.
 
heatlesssun said:
The Start Screen is gone after three years and one major release so your comparison doesn't make sense and only reinforces my point.
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Gone?

http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/windows-10-tip-swap-between-start-menu-and-start-screen

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pxc said:
This dense act gets old. Gee, why did MS waste so many words on a section when the only thing it's about is piracy. :rolleyes:

Remove piracy from the section and it's still very problematic, and would be from any software or OS vendor. It's the weird MS apologists who flock to any criticisms when it involves MS, and with the same disingenuous defenses.
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Some people have to have a hard on for something.

It isn't always a pretty sight...
 
atp1916 said:
Ultimately, how can i know that my privacy settings will be respected? I know they wont, in the long run.
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This is a fair question and indeed one that few are truly asking. Everyone gobbled up mobile phones and web services and while the issues of privacy have been going around who really cared? The end of the PC was declared and we we're all going to be using our phones for everything. Then all of a sudden Windows 10 arrives and it couldn't be dismissed solely on the basis of the UI for average people, particularly with the free upgrade and now it's a problem. So average folks, just go back to using your phones for their privacy?

This ship sailed a long time ago. Microsoft makes a lot of mistakes but this was well thought out. We're solidly in the age for trading privacy for other things in the consumer IT and there's no going back. Not saying it's right, not saying it's good but it's the reality. That somehow a desktop PC is supposed to be a more "private" device than the thing that everyone has right next to them is a ludicrous proposition. An iPhone gets stolen and the world comes to an end.

The average consumer doesn't give two shits about this subject because if they did they would have long before now.
 
heatlesssun said:
Well I guess the new home of pirated desktop games will be Linux.
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Honestly, MS would love to strong arm game devs with that slogan...."don't develop a linux native variant of your AAA game because linux has a 50% priacy rate. Being exclusive to us will get you more revenue."

Not that there's much loss. I haven't been excited for a AAA game since Skyrim...And that in the long run was a disappointment.
 
heatlesssun said:
...The end of the PC was declared and we we're all going to be using our phones for everything. Then all of a sudden Windows 10 arrives...
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I think it was YOU spouting the end of the PC was neigh at hand. The vast majority of PC users never thought the PC was passe, that they needed to start using their phone and/or tablet for all activities. You spout an awful lot of intelligent insight mixed with a huge amount of sheer silliness from a real-world point of view. Kind of like liberals talking about fixing inner city issues by spending more money. Just because the idea makes you feel good doesn't mean it's based in reality.

There will always be people who want familiar over different. (Start Menu)
There will always be pirates. (Doesn't matter the cost, people will pirate for any number of reasons)
There will always be people who complain or argue. (It's human nature, we can't help it!)

So... where was I going with this? Oh yeah, I've suggested to my clients to wait until Win10 has time to mature before moving ahead. Early adopters can work out the issues.
 
tec805 said:
I think it was YOU spouting the end of the PC was neigh at hand. The vast majority of PC users never thought the PC was passe, that they needed to start using their phone and/or tablet for all activities. You spout an awful lot of intelligent insight mixed with a huge amount of sheer silliness from a real-world point of view. Kind of like liberals talking about fixing inner city issues by spending more money. Just because the idea makes you feel good doesn't mean it's based in reality.
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Considering my strong advocacy of Windows x86 tablets and hybrids that allow for both tablet and traditional PC use I don't think this anywhere close to my overall stance.
 
The Cobra said:
Don't use an MS login account merged with the local account.
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How can you use a local account and still activate W 10? And once it's activated using an MS account, won't the OS save that setting, regardless?
 
x509 said:
How can you use a local account and still activate W 10? And once it's activated using an MS account, won't the OS save that setting, regardless?
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I activated it easily without using a MS account. I never signed into anything besides a local account I created. I do not use any of the "features" of the OS using a MS account.
 
Rav3n said:
I activated it easily without using a MS account. I never signed into anything besides a local account I created. I do not use any of the "features" of the OS using a MS account.
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OK, 'splain to me how you could do this. If guys can activate with only a local account, doesn't that defeat the whole idea that you have to have a valid, authentic Win 7/8 install to do the upgrade?
 
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rezerekted said:
Plenty of people give a shit! Just because the naive masses don't does not make it a non-issue or acceptable.
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People aren't as naïve as you may think. I'm not saying that most have thought deeply about it or realize everything that's going on with privacy issues on all of the assorted devices and services that they use, but I believe that there is a broad realization that all these things that they are getting for free or use at no cost is being leveraging advertising and the use of personal data. The minute someone setups up a smartphone or a Facebook account it's kind of hard to miss that these things know something about you. And while there are those that don't like it most people seem to actually like the convenience of most of these features.

So I'm not saying that it's right or that it's non-issue but by definition it has to be acceptable otherwise there wouldn't be billions of smartphones and countless web sites, services and apps using personal information.
 
heatlesssun said:
People aren't as naïve as you may think. I'm not saying that most have thought deeply about it or realize everything that's going on with privacy issues on all of the assorted devices and services that they use, but I believe that there is a broad realization that all these things that they are getting for free or use at no cost is being leveraging advertising and the use of personal data. The minute someone setups up a smartphone or a Facebook account it's kind of hard to miss that these things know something about you. And while there are those that don't like it most people seem to actually like the convenience of most of these features.

So I'm not saying that it's right or that it's non-issue but by definition it has to be acceptable otherwise there wouldn't be billions of smartphones and countless web sites, services and apps using personal information.
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And simplifying a bit, the fact that Facebook continues to grown at an amazing rate, and has 1.5 Billion users, http://www.statista.com/statistics/264810/number-of-monthly-active-facebook-users-worldwide/ and continues to grow, says that most people aren't that concerned about their personal privacy.

Yeah, there are "not with the program" types like me, who have a Facebook wall that is blank, but I'm in the flyspeck minority of users.
 
kac77 said:
It's still there. It's called Tablet mode. It doesn't say "Start" but the paradigm tiles and all are still there.
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I know. I have a number of Windows tablets and hybrids including a Surface Pro 3 and Surface 3 non-pro. The paradigm is significantly different even in Windows 10 tablet mode compared the Start Screen in Windows 8.1. Tile arrangement works much differently, the hamburger menu to the right, scrolling is vertical and not horizontal which a lot tablet folks don't like and even while using a tablet on can stay in desktop mode and use a non full screen Start and there are tablet folks that like that as well.
 
x509 said:
OK, 'splain to me how you could do this. If guys can activate with only a local account, doesn't that defeat the whole idea that you have to have a valid, authentic Win 7/8 install to do the upgrade?
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I guess I may be confused? I have tone plenty of W10 upgrades on my home machines. All had a clean activated copy of Win 7 or Win8.1 installed.... Did the W10 upgrade with the media creation tool. Then I did a clean install of W10 after the initial upgrade from W7/8.1 was shown as activated online....

Never had to sign into a MS account of sort. I did all of this online, using only a local account on each computer. None of that required a MS account.
 
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