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Any idea on ZEN prices?
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Any idea on ZEN prices?
Any idea on ZEN prices?
You could just as well ask on ideas on actual performance. Its price will be determined by the performance.
If it performs like a 1000$ Intel chip it will be priced around 1000$.
$259 w/Wraith Cooler is my guess for the quad. Let's have a poll?
Which? Me crying or it being faster?I expect that to not be a problem.
$259 w/Wraith Cooler is my guess for the quad. Let's have a poll?
You could just as well ask on ideas on actual performance. Its price will be determined by the performance.
If it performs like a 1000$ Intel chip it will be priced around 1000$. If it performs like a 300$ chip it will be priced at around 300$.
You make it sound like products are priced based on performance :/
AMD will price Zen at whatever price they think they can sell it at.
You could just as well ask on ideas on actual performance. Its price will be determined by the performance.
If it performs like a 1000$ Intel chip it will be priced around 1000$. If it performs like a 300$ chip it will be priced at around 300$.
Most of the internet seems to be expecting an 8C/16T chip that's 20% faster than Broadwell and only 45W TDP for $100. So I'm gonna go with that.
If that is the case? I am a buyer!
In the Blender benchmark it was a few percent faster. Not sure where most of the internet expects a 20% performance advantage over Broadwell-E. The fact that it's just as fast if not slightly faster in a highly multi-threaded benchmark is impressive seeing as how Haswell/Haswell-E was intended to be the main competitor for Zen.
Well from what I understand is that this is a second engineering sample (a ES2?) with clock speeds of 3Ghz and turbo disabled. The original engineering sample was 2.8Ghz with 3.2Ghz Turbo speed. That means they have already made 200mhz going from one ES to the second ES2. I would also expect that it is possible for AMD to have at least 3.2Ghz on their QS or production processors.
Well, that is a good example, admittedly. You forget that "late 2014" actually means mid October though, with release in late July/early August and troubled availability of 6700k in particular until god knows when.No no link to this unfortunately that's the conclusion that I drew based on previous engineering samples and what was possibly shown at the recent demonstration. This could still be the same engineering sample revision/stepping as A0. However 200mhz is not unrealistic considering Skylake engineering samples were clocked at 2.4Ghz on Intel's 14nm process. Sure it's a different process but 200mhz isn't unrealistic in a span of maybe a few months. The engineering samples were shown for Skylake in late 2014 and the release was in mid-2015. That means in less than a year they got it from 2.4Ghz to about 4Ghz which is a nice 1.6Ghz boost from ES to Production.
No no link to this unfortunately that's the conclusion that I drew based on previous engineering samples and what was possibly shown at the recent demonstration. This could still be the same engineering sample revision/stepping as A0. However 200mhz is not unrealistic considering Skylake engineering samples were clocked at 2.4Ghz on Intel's 14nm process. Sure it's a different process but 200mhz isn't unrealistic in a span of maybe a few months. The engineering samples were shown for Skylake in late 2014 and the release was in mid-2015. That means in less than a year they got it from 2.4Ghz to about 4Ghz which is a nice 1.6Ghz boost from ES to Production.
Not exactly the best sites to put it mildly, and the VR-zone one is offline.
The problem is there is no CPU-Z or similar. It could be a T model for example.
At least 6 months before release with ES samples the SKUs are locked down.
And 6 months before release we saw 4770K, 6700K and now 7700K(Jan. 2017) for example.
So basically, you are saying that AMD does everything the same as Intel, right?
Why would Intel release an 8 core for a $1k if they have a 6 core going for half that amount?I know a lot of people are expecting the chip to retail for 800 dollars or more if it trades blows with intels 8 core parts, but I think that is sheer madness.
I'd be surprised if the top tier 8 core / 16 thread zen cpu went for more than 400 dollars. To my mind, the play from amd is to release something to take on the i7-x700k series from intel, their quad core parts that go for 300 plus dollars, and the 6 core parts that are in the low 400 range.
Why would amd release an 8 core for 800 to a thousand dollars, when intel has a 6 core going for half that? It's god damn insane. No, the play is to get decent margin with bigger volume, and that means offering MORE for similar prices to the quad cores.
The real question is whether it will matter for one of the bigger drivers of cpu purchases. PC gaming. I don't expect zen to be able to quite match the ipc of skylake, let alone the clock speeds. With kaby lake basically here now with similar to higher ipc over skylake plus even higher clocks... how is Zen going to fair against THAT?
How do games scale on quad cores with 8 threads vs 8 cores with 16 threads? If not much at all, that's an issue for making zen THE go to gaming cpu. But if it's close enough plus almost DOUBLE the performance for other more scalable across multiple cpu core tasks, then it could be a hit. But price? UNDER 400 dollars, no matter how well it performs is the ideal. Leave the price gouging to the server market.
Why would amd release an 8 core for 800 to a thousand dollars, when intel has a 6 core going for half that? It's god damn insane. No, the play is to get decent margin with bigger volume, and that means offering MORE for similar prices to the quad cores.
If AMD believes they can sell their stock of Zen CPUs at $800, they will sell it for $800. That's how Capitalism works.
Exactly! Like when bulldozer came out at $1k usd, and quickly dropped to $340. That how capitalism works!
The price of Zen is easily determined. The cpu will be slotted based on performance just like current cpus and gpus are slotted.
If it performs between the Intel 6 core and 8 core then it will be priced between them. If it performs at 6 core levels it will cost the same as the 6 core.
Do not expect Intel 8 core performance for core i3 pricing.