Anti-Virus Software Should Filter Pirated Content

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The RIAA's Cary Sherman, while attending the recent State of the Net Conference, made an number of comments on content filtering that even included anti-virus software being used to filter content. I’m sure it is no surprise that the RIAA is pushing for ISP filtering but the extent they are going on this stuff is alarming. Don’t you think?

Filters can be put in the applications for example. You know, one could have a filter on the end user’s computer that would actually eliminate any benefit from…encryption because if you want to hear it, you’d have to decrypt it, and at that point the filter could work. Why would somebody put that on their machine? They likely wouldn't want to do that, they'd do that when it benefits them such as for viruses...
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Forget it. No one except the naive or the ignorant would install such software on their machines.
 
Eh might work. People that understand anything dont buy Symantec etc.. anyway. Wouldnt hurt me lol. Still a very evil thing to do though. That is some serious invasion of privacy. Be like your toaster reporting you for smoking pot.
 
While they may be able to pressure the software companies to include such a filter who would buy the product?

The software companies would scream restraint of trade very loudly.

This takes us back to the Verizon post, they don’t want to be involved at all, in fact most providers don’t.

Why not make the price of the music and video affordable enough to no one except the truly geekish would be interested?

Back in the 70’s there were a ton of stores that every Friday night had the 3 for one sale on LP’s (records for you youngens) at 3 for $10.00 Yes, the dollar is worth less, no I wouldn’t expect the same pricing today but the fact is in the big picture the cost of manufacturing the final consumer product has gone down even at today’s costs.

For some reason CC still seems to think a BR or HD disk should cost $29 to 39 while Amazon has the same product at half that price.

I fully agree people should get paid for what they produce, no argument from me on that but as of right now the bands are getting screwed as badly as we are. If you have looked many big bands and artists have dropped their record company contracts and have built their own studios and gone right to the net.

Old profitable business doesn’t like new business models of which they are not a part.
 
Jakalwarrior said:
Eh might work. People that understand anything dont buy Symantec etc.. anyway. Wouldnt hurt me lol. Still a very evil thing to do though. That is some serious invasion of privacy. Be like your toaster reporting you for smoking pot.
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What, you have a toaster that doesn’t require a USB hook up?;)
 
Damn!:eek: give me some of those great drugs the RIAA are using! there ain't no damn way I would put that on my computer talk about big brother! :eek:
 
The scary thing is they'll get some meatpuppet senator or congressman to sponsor some bill that will require this (wether it'll even make it to a vote or not is questionable), spend millions of our tax dollars studying it, and a ton of man/hours drumming up support and 'debating' it. Your tax dollars hard at work...
 
The RIAA is just trying to make everything fair. They have a crappy business model and everyone hates them, so they're trying to make sure that everyone else has a crappy business model and has the hatred of billions, too.
 
poor RIAA, they do not know what else to do, so they utter stupidities like this...

no pirate in their right mind is going to install anything that prevents them from downloading pirated software/music.

if one anti-virus program blocks what it thinks is pirated software, we will use another. if a modem is flashed with firmware that prevents piracy, we will reflash it, etc

god luck!:D
 
I don't think even Symantec or any of the real AV makers would be so mind bogglingly stupid enough to do this.

I say someone should come out with a program that removes ALL RIAA member tunes from a computer. THAT has done far more damage to the music industry as a whole than any piracy.
 
It seems they cannot do it, but I think over time, piracy will become a thing of the past.

They'll think of something to stop it, I believe.
 
I think we need to boot up America with anti-fascist hardware instead.

It boggles the mind wondering just what these creeps are going to think up next. The whole RIAA mess makes me feel like pirating everything possible, just because I would feel like a shitheel supporting the bullshit they are spewing by actually purchasing something!

When will they get it through their thick skulls that threatening their customers isn't going to help them sell anything?! Maybe their strongarm tactics are the reason their sales are... slumping? Not up to expectations?
 
I'm sure MS has this functionality in the DRM layer they put between the hardware and the drivers in Vista. I'm sure MS will have no trouble complying with the RIAA's request. The MPAA did not have any problem getting their DRM into the OS :(
 
I think our thoughts should be monitored and filtered too.. this way we can never think anything bad
 
hey hey hey now Dont touch my Mind its been in the Dirty Gutter. And i wanna keep it that way. I like Dirty Minds....
 
the riaa should make sure women wear head scarves too... and put stars of David on jews.
 
Wait- they want to force other companies to put effort into something that will hurt them but benefit the RIAA? The person who suggested that should be slapped.
 
panhead said:
I'm sure MS has this functionality in the DRM layer they put between the hardware and the drivers in Vista. I'm sure MS will have no trouble complying with the RIAA's request. The MPAA did not have any problem getting their DRM into the OS :(
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Vista does not have DRM. It is simply DRM-ready.

Vista "DRM" only tells a player if video is being played through a protected path or not. It is up to the publisher whether or not they care about that and whether or not they will reduce video quality along unprotected paths. If you ever see DRM in Vista, you are seeing the result of the publisher's decisions, not Microsoft's.

Microsoft just made Vista DRM-ready because it was the only way for them to allow HD content playback at all.
 
It's not the place of hardware or software people to enforce the RIAA/MPAA's policies. It's not their job to enforce copyright. The RIAA/MPAA are getting everyone else to do their job for them and they sit back and collect all the money and sue everyone.
 
kush said:
I don't think even Symantec or any of the real AV makers would be so mind bogglingly stupid enough to do this.
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They are. Symantec for a while has flagged some pirate software. They list it as a generic trojan horse and the rules will generaly delete it.

I caught on to this when a user complained that their hacked version of anydvd wouldn't work. I found out it was hacked when I looked in the logs and realized it was deleted the exe after it was cracked, even if symantec was off. Since it never said what it was I scanned it with a few different av scanners so I could see if it was still on the system. They all scanned the crack as clean.
 
You know, they keep going and they are going to push someone out there over the edge and they will end up like Lincoln. Then they can have a new saying, "The RIAA made me do it".
 
uh hu and when the rest of the anti-virus companys start listing "No RIAA crap installed" they will sell better.

I mean most of the people they are after know better than to allow this type of crap on thier box.
 
BillR said:
While they may be able to pressure the software companies to include such a filter who would buy the product?
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I don't know what year you're talking about or where you lived, but in 1978, record stores that weren't located in a mall sold albums for around $6.00. I never saw a record for 3 bucks.

In the mall, the price was $8.00/album, which is roughly the equivalent of MSRP (that would the $19.99 price that people like to throw around).

While i'm all for cheaper music, , your argument doesn't hold water.

First of all, the cost of manufacturing is irrelevant. You said the price has gotten too expensive. The reality is that the price is cheaper now (adjusted for inflation) than it was 10 years ago. It's cheaper htan it was 20 years ago. It's cheaper than it was 30 years ago.

What's more, you can almost always find new releases between $9.99 and 13.99.

Those prices are not only cheaper than the inflation adjusted price of a CD 20 years ago, they're cheaper than the price unadjusted for inflation.

People just don't value music anymore, for whatever reason. I personally think that the rise of the single has devalued music. iTunes may be successful, but if you're only buying a single, you're not developing a relationship with the artist and that's what guarantees the person buys music.

And as I said in another thread, there are even cheaper ways to get music. Join BMG. I get an email from them regularly to buy crap and at least 5 or 6 times a year, it's buy 1 at full price (outrageously overpriced) and get the rest for $1.99. Last time I ordered something like 20 or 30 CD's....came out to a bit under 5 bucks a disk.

Of course if you need it right now, you gotta pay more....kinda like if you gotta have Crysis right now, you're going to pay $40.00...but a year form now, i'tll be 20-30....maybe less.
 
No, people just don't value crappy music anymore. They don't enjoy paying for a bunch of songs that suck, just to get the 1 or 2 that are good.
 
Just install symantec endpoint protection 11. It likes to kill your computer as it is or at least slow it down to a crawl. Kinda hard to pirate stuff when your machine is dead. It also makes it hard to get viruses and malware, which I think my be their real reason for adding that feature. So in that case symantec is already partly onboard to help them.
 
Cinge said:
No, people just don't value crappy music anymore. They don't enjoy paying for a bunch of songs that suck, just to get the 1 or 2 that are good.
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If the music is crap then why do you steal it?

That is the part of the arguement I never get. I pirate music becuase it is crap and I'm not going to pay for crap. If it is crap then why listen to it? If you only like one or two songs then only buy the one or two songs. If you bother to pirate a song, and bother to listen to it, then it is worth the buck that it would cost you. If you only like onr or two songs then you much not really like the artist to begin with.

I agree with you nilepez for the most part. I buy full albumns all the time of artist I like. I don't always like every song on every albumn the same, but I normally can enjoy them all due to liking the artist's sound. Only think I would probably have to disagree with is itunes/singles killing the albumn. I think that is just more a less an change in the times. If anything I think people are just starting to only like mainstream songs they hear on the radio day in and day out. I actually knew somebody that was the opposite and I thought that was a better way to be. Once a song started to play on the radio/mtv he stoped listening to it. I myself an like that a little bit. I normally buy a cd every month or two and might listen to the radio or watch music videos every for a little bit every now and then to get a little bit of an idea of what is new. However once I hear a song a couple dozen time and it gets to the point where it is everywhere I get tired of it fast.I'd have to say out of the 200 - 300 cds that I have. There are probably only about a 7 or 8 or so that I bought for only 1 or 2 songs and that was all that i liked. And that was just because the songs that I had heard were nothing like their normal sound and didn't match the sound of the rest of the songs.
 
Exavior said:
If the music is crap then why do you steal it?

That is the part of the arguement I never get. I pirate music becuase it is crap and I'm not going to pay for crap. If it is crap then why listen to it? If you only like one or two songs then only buy the one or two songs. If you bother to pirate a song, and bother to listen to it, then it is worth the buck that it would cost you. If you only like onr or two songs then you much not really like the artist to begin with.
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Because in order to find the stuff you may actually like, you have to sift through all the shit first. :p

problem is, people forget to go out and buy the stuff they like afterwards.
 
Cinge said:
No, people just don't value crappy music anymore. They don't enjoy paying for a bunch of songs that suck, just to get the 1 or 2 that are good.
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If you're buying records that get radio airplay, that's generally what you get. It's not like pop records have ever been consistently good...and certainly if you're expecting every song to be like the single, then you're going to be disapointed. I don't care how good the record is. With very few exceptions, albums are not made up of a dozen singles (thank god).

All I can say is that I manage to buy music and find good albums...but then again, I haven't thought top 40 music was worth a crap since Reagan. that's not to say there weren't good albums by artists that had hits, but I didn't listen to it on CHR.

If you can live with a single on iTunes, then IMNSHO, you're not really a candidate for albums, regardless of how good the album is. The only reason I'd buy single is if it had b-sides that I wanted....which is to say I already have the album.

Tori Amos' last album had at least 10 good songs on it. I liked Rooney's last album quite a bit. Neil Young's latest was pretty good. Springsteen's Magic was good (although the mix is a bit muddy). Any Lucinda Williams album is worth owning. New Pornographer's last album was excellent...and that's just a few albums off the top of my head...whether any of them are popular or not i have no idea.

Anyone who says there's not artists making good albums isn't looking (or listening).
 
What's funny is I've added at least 50 artists to my collection of store bought CD's (I prefer my music on physical media, and by the way my collection numbers better than 1500 disks) through the various p2p services,starting with Napster. These are bands that receive little to no mainstream airplay (try finding a good punk or industrial station in Louisiana). I 'took a chance' and d/l'd something that sounded kinda cool (either band name or song title) and ended up liking alot of it, so I bought it. I ended up with alot of crap too, but I didn't waste my HARD earned cash buying an album and only liking 1 or 2 songs. Put out a decent product and most people will buy it, put out crap, and it won't sell. By the way, since when can you call yourself an artist if you don't write your own music,play an instrument, or even really sing when performing live? I know I won't go to a concert anymore unless they have backup dancers and at least 4 costume changes during the show....sheesh...what drivel passes for music nowadays...
 
Lets see, this will NOT be in the bulletin points of the back of the package for whoever is the one to cave into this.

I can only see 3 companies even THINKING of going along with this and that would be Symantec/MCCaffee/ and M$ with their Live stuff.

Those are the only ones that I can figure are open to such "pressure" since they are the top dogs, the rest will lay low and as soon as the RIAA approved software is released, advertise the hell out of their programs, OR get together and advertise AGAINST the big 3 letting the consumer know what the RIAA has done.

Truthfully though of even the big 3 only M$ might truly be open for RIAA blackmail, but even there M$ has all the DRM crud you can handle so they might tell them what to do
 
swatbat said:
They are. Symantec for a while has flagged some pirate software. They list it as a generic trojan horse and the rules will generaly delete it.

I caught on to this when a user complained that their hacked version of anydvd wouldn't work. I found out it was hacked when I looked in the logs and realized it was deleted the exe after it was cracked, even if symantec was off. Since it never said what it was I scanned it with a few different av scanners so I could see if it was still on the system. They all scanned the crack as clean.
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Well back on track here. It's not too far fetched for them to do this, it's true this does happen currently. I've personally seen AV's detect cracked .exe's and "Keygens" as "Viruses" or "Malware," and not just the big yellow box. Granted there are copyright laws out there, and this is a piss poor way of keeping us legit.

And as someone said before, this is quite 'big brother'-ish... Kind of scary when you sit down and think about it. Quite foolish and absurd too (we're going to make our problem, their problem). Just my 2 cents.

-Eric
 
Exavior said:
If the music is crap then why do you steal it?

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Lol, you have absolutely zero clue. Just because someone says they don't buy CDs because it's mostly crap, doesn't mean they steal it. LOL, that's a pretty stupid accusation.

You ever hear of buying singles from Walmart, Apple and the hundred other stores out there? Oh wait, that was too much thinking to do. Sorry if I gave you too much credit in the brain dept.

If I like the song, I buy it. If I like the entire CD, I buy it but, I am not going to buy an entire CD when I can just buy the 1 or 2 songs that are the only good ones and the rest are filler crap.
 
Not only is the RIAA one of the sleaziest organizations on the face of the earth,they're one of the laziest.They want everyone to do their work for them.Do the artists themselves really want these scum representing them?Sooner or later,there's going to be a backlash against tactics like this,it's bad enough when the government tries to violate our civil liberties,no private group should be allowed to either.
 
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