Another Tesla Autopilot Crash Reported

Auto-driving will never be as reliable as a human person. There is just too much subtlety going on that sensors would not pick up on.

A sensor might see the car adjacent to you driving straight and think there's no problem. The human might see the driver in said vehicle is texting and doesn't have their eyes on the road. The human would slow down in advance anticipating the distracted driver might drift out of their lane, or have to make a sudden move.

Auto-driving cannot predict... it can only react after the fact.
Never? I disagree. At some point, autonomous driving will be very safe. At one time, every step of manufacturing was done by people. Now a good chunk of it is automated. Yes that's a controlled environment, but I suspect that eventually autonomous cars will either talk to each other and/or will communicate with a centralized system that helps guide them.

I suspect we'll have viable autonomous cars before I die, but I don't know if they'll be here before 2030. My guess is they'll take a huge step forward when most (all) cars are autonomous. What I'm not sure is if they'll be able to drive in all situations. My guess is no and thus we'll still have a steering wheel.
 
What's the point of autocontrol is you have to have hands on the wheel and pay attention anyway? I just knew this shit was going to be a fail.
My guess is it's for them to collect data to use for their ultimate goal: an autonomous vehicle.
The problem is that some people are treating their Tesla like it's an autonomous vehicle, and it's not.
 
Bet you Tesla won't put out how many numbers on how many accidents were avoided because the human driver intervened.

Probably not, but the driver is always supposed to be paying attention. AFAICT, autopilot is there for brief times where you're distracted or perhaps to stretch. Obviously it's better than that (which is why people abuse it), but I really think the reason it's beta is because they're collecting data and updating the s/w with the goal of creating a fully autonomous vehicle.
 
I think he might be a stock holder, just like Heatlessun is probably a stock holder in Microsoft.
Reference material? Or just made up shit?

Not a stock holder of anything. Just trying to point out that the average human driver is about as dumb as a brick. And while it's new and uncomfortable, a machine that can do just as (or better) of a job seems to worry people. I'd still much rather trust a system with a prove track record, instead of trusting the 16 year old spaz who's texting and taking selfies while they fly down the highway.

This whole debale is no different than the people who quite literally drove their car into a lake "because GPS told them to". Or the 90 year old granny who rams her car into a shopping center because she's too senile to know which is the brake and which is the gas. Autopilot isn't a full on substitute, it's a driver aid. And with or without the aid, stupid people will make stupid choices and get results like this. I hate the fact that we are so quick to judge and punish everyone beacuse of a handfull dumb asses who doesn't understand the rules.
 
Probably not, but the driver is always supposed to be paying attention. AFAICT, autopilot is there for brief times where you're distracted or perhaps to stretch. Obviously it's better than that (which is why people abuse it), but I really think the reason it's beta is because they're collecting data and updating the s/w with the goal of creating a fully autonomous vehicle.

Nah, I understand that they're working towards a fully autonomous vehicle, but I just can't see it being better than a human currently. Yes, I do see it helping to aid a human and reduce accidents. Much like ABS, auto-braking, lane assist, etc.

Not a stock holder of anything. Just trying to point out that the average human driver is about as dumb as a brick. And while it's new and uncomfortable, a machine that can do just as (or better) of a job seems to worry people. I'd still much rather trust a system with a prove track record, instead of trusting the 16 year old spaz who's texting and taking selfies while they fly down the highway.

Sadly there is no proven track record, except for on perfect days on specific types of roads. I have no problem with autonomous vehicles and I would love it if they were already around. In the past 2 weeks I've driven 3-4 hours (one way) to France to visit family and then trek back the same day or the next day. I'd love to not have to drive that. I hate boring straight highway driving.

This whole debale is no different than the people who quite literally drove their car into a lake "because GPS told them to". Or the 90 year old granny who rams her car into a shopping center because she's too senile to know which is the brake and which is the gas. Autopilot isn't a full on substitute, it's a driver aid. And with or without the aid, stupid people will make stupid choices and get results like this. I hate the fact that we are so quick to judge and punish everyone beacuse of a handfull dumb asses who doesn't understand the rules.

Sadly, there are people out there that will use Autopilot as a full on substitute. No autonomous vehicle today is capable of that. 5 years from now, I can see them being able too, but I doubt they'll be on the road due to regulations. Just look at the sheer backlash going on with these Tesla cars now.
 
Nah, I understand that they're working towards a fully autonomous vehicle, but I just can't see it being better than a human currently. Yes, I do see it helping to aid a human and reduce accidents. Much like ABS, auto-braking, lane assist, etc.



Sadly there is no proven track record, except for on perfect days on specific types of roads. I have no problem with autonomous vehicles and I would love it if they were already around. In the past 2 weeks I've driven 3-4 hours (one way) to France to visit family and then trek back the same day or the next day. I'd love to not have to drive that. I hate boring straight highway driving.



Sadly, there are people out there that will use Autopilot as a full on substitute. No autonomous vehicle today is capable of that. 5 years from now, I can see them being able too, but I doubt they'll be on the road due to regulations. Just look at the sheer backlash going on with these Tesla cars now.

I feel you on the boring drive -- I used to drive from Texas to North Dakota a few times for each stint of my MWD Specialist job... talk about boring driving, 11 hours straight driving day 1, and then another 6 or 7 hours day two. All so I can go live on some oil rig in the middle of BFE.
 
I firmly believe that, if you are a Tesla owner with both internet access and/or a TV, and you continue to use your car's Autopilot feature, you have no one to blame except yourself when something like this happens.

or.. you can better understand how the autopilot feature works with your car and know that lines are needed for it to understand where to drive?
 
I feel you on the boring drive -- I used to drive from Texas to North Dakota a few times for each stint of my MWD Specialist job... talk about boring driving, 11 hours straight driving day 1, and then another 6 or 7 hours day two. All so I can go live on some oil rig in the middle of BFE.

I don't think I could use the Autopilot feature on Teslas. For me, there are times I get sleepy on the road and I catch myself dozing off for a sec. I tend to drive close to the right-side and the lines have that rumble stuff in it. If I hit them from being drowsy, I know to get the hell off the road and take a nap. If I had autopilot going, I'd never get that jolt and would probably end up falling fully asleep and the car drives me into a trailer or off the road.

I'm fine in the city, cause shifting, clutching, etc keep me awake.
 
Not a stock holder of anything. Just trying to point out that the average human driver is about as dumb as a brick. And while it's new and uncomfortable, a machine that can do just as (or better) of a job seems to worry people. I'd still much rather trust a system with a prove track record, instead of trusting the 16 year old spaz who's texting and taking selfies while they fly down the highway.

This whole debale is no different than the people who quite literally drove their car into a lake "because GPS told them to". Or the 90 year old granny who rams her car into a shopping center because she's too senile to know which is the brake and which is the gas. Autopilot isn't a full on substitute, it's a driver aid. And with or without the aid, stupid people will make stupid choices and get results like this. I hate the fact that we are so quick to judge and punish everyone beacuse of a handfull dumb asses who doesn't understand the rules.

They are now saying autonomous features are to help you drive safer in case you fall asleep while driving, etc. Gee, that is not how they were pandering it to us in the beginning, they lead people to believe we would have self driving cars so you are just victim blaming.
 
Elon Musk claims Autopilot was NOT to blame for a second Tesla crash: Logs show function was off in Pennsylvania accident
  • On 1 July a Tesla Model X crashed with a driver and passenger on board
  • Car suddenly swerved off a road at 60mph and hit wooden guard rail posts
  • At the time the driver told police the Autopilot function was switched on
  • But Tesla's vehicle logs have now been checked and reveal it was off

http://jalopnik.com/musk-autopilot-was-off-in-pa-tesla-model-x-crash-acco-1783695454

approximately 40 seconds prior to the collision, the vehicle did not detect the driver’s hands on the wheel and began a rapidly escalating set of visual and audible alerts to ensure the driver took proper control. When the driver failed to respond to 15 seconds of visual warnings and audible tones, Autosteer began a graceful abort procedure in which the music is muted, the vehicle begins to slow and the driver is instructed both visually and audibly to place their hands on the wheel. Approximately 11 seconds prior to the collision, the driver responded and regained control by holding the steering wheel, applying leftward torque to turn it, and pressing the accelerator pedal to 42%. Over 10 seconds and approximately 300m later and while under manual steering control, the driver drifted out of the lane, collided with a barrier, overcorrected, crossed both lanes of the highway, struck a median barrier, and rolled the vehicle.

Looks like the driver was either sleeping or getting a BJ
 
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