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I have built a machine for my bro in law with recommendations from HF and it all worked out good...

I am looking to build a machine for myself now $1000-$1200 budget .... I like the Gigabyte MB as it supports the new cpus coming out..... but lacks the pci express 2.0 slot.....(I think)

Ok so first is first..

what is the difference between pci express 16x and the new pci express 2.0?
If I understand correctly... it is a newer pci express slot...
if that is the case running a pci express 2.0 video card in a pci express x16 slot may work but you may pay more for that card than if you bought a different card???

anyhow.. here is where I am...

need recommendations:
case and power supply
video card - want a dx10 series w.512mb (8800GT?)

already decided on
$255 - Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor Model HH80562PH0568M - OEM
$99 - GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
$87 - A-DATA 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model ADQVE1B16K - Retail
$85 - SAMSUNG SpinPoint T Series HD501LJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
$30 - PHILIPS 20X DVD±R DVD Burner 2-Tone SATA Model SPD2513BD - Retail
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$557

my goal is to play COD4 and other new games....

I need video card, case and power supply...

looking for recommendations from yall...
 
PCI Express 2.0 uses the same slot as PCI Express x16 (aka 1.0); in fact, PCIe 2.0 cards are backwards compatible with PCIe 1.0 ports.

Right now, the 8800GT is the best "bang-for-your-buck" card around, but if you have a 24 inch (or larger) monitor, then the 8800GTS would be the better choice. In fact, what monitor do you have/are you planning to get?

Also, get the Q6600 from ClubIT. It's the only place that guarantees G0/SLACR revision, which runs at a lower voltage (allowing it to run cooler and have a greater OC threshold). And don't get an OEM processor; they only come with a 90-day limited warranty, whereas retail processors have a three-year warranty.

While you're at it, you may want to purchase one of the following CPU coolers:

Cooler Master GeminII RR-CCH-ANU2-GP HSF - $30 & 120mm Yate Loon D12SL-12 Case Fan - $3.50 x 2
Scythe SCNJ-1100P Ninja HSF - $36
Tuniq Tower 120 HSF - $45
Thermalright Ultima-90 HSF - $46 & Panaflo FBA09A12M 92mm Fan - $3
Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme HSF - $57 & Scythe S-Flex SFF21E 120MM Case Fan - $14
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The following are some recommendations for cases and power supplies (if you need case fans, pick up some Yate Loons)...

Cases:
Cooler Master Elite 330 RC-330-KKN1-GP ATX Case - $40
Cooler Master Centurion 534 ATX Case - $40
Cooler Master Centurion 532 ATX Case - $50
Cooler Master RC-690-KKN1-GP ATX Case - $60
Cooler Master Mystique RC-632S-KKN1-GP ATX Case - $65
Antec NSK4480 ATX Case With Antec Earthwatts 380W PSU - $70
Lian Li PC-7B Plus II Silver ATX Case - $90
Antec P180B ATX Case - $109
Antec P182 ATX Case - $109
Antec Sonata III ATX Case with Antec Earthwatts 500W PSU - $110
Antec P180 ATX Case - $115
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Power Supplies:
Antec Earthwatts EA380 380W PSU - $45
XClio Goodpower 500W PSU - $50
Antec Earthwatts 430W PSU -$57
Antec Earthwatts 500W PSU -$72
Corsair 450VX 450W PSU - $76
Corsair 550VX 550W PSU - $95
Corsair 520HX 520W PSU - $109
Corsair 650TX 650W PSU - $143
Corsair 620HX 620W PSU - $147
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To add to what tiraides mentioned...

PCI-E 16x is the speed/bandwidth of the PCI-E slot. PCI-E2.0 is the spec that governs the PCI-E slots. The only difference between PCI-E2.0 and PCI-E1.1 is the increased power delivery through the slot and the increased bandwidth. PCI-E2.0 cards are backwards compatible with PCI-E1.1 slots. However, current PCI-E2.0 cards do not saturate the bandwidth of PCI-E1.1 slots. Therefore, theres no point in spending a huge amount of money for the sole purpose of getting a PCI-E2.0 slot right now. By the time PCI-E2.0 cards are severely limited by the lower bandwidth of the PCI-E1.1 slots, it will be time for a new motherboard anyhow.

Penryn/Wolfdale/Yorkfield is coming out at the end of Q1'08. Its a 45nm version of the current 65nm CPUs (its basically a die shrink with slight improvements). They generally increase performance by 10-15% over current offerings.

Nehalem is Intel's new architecture, scheduled for release in Q4'08. Mainstream parts should come in the following quareter. Nehalem will include an on-chip memory controller and a new tech called Quick Path Interconnect (QPI). These features are similar to whats currently featured in the AMD K8 chips (on-chip mem controller and Hypertransport). Though, you will need a new motherboard and most likely DDR3 for this platform.

What size monitor do you have or plan on getting?

from anandtech...
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tiraides said:
PCI Express 2.0 uses the same slot as PCI Express x16 (aka 1.0); in fact, PCIe 2.0 cards are backwards compatible with PCIe 1.0 ports.

Right now, the 8800GT is the best "bang-for-your-buck" card around, but if you have a 24 inch (or larger) monitor, then the 8800GTS would be the better choice. In fact, what monitor do you have/are you planning to get?

Also, get the Q6600 from ClubIT. It's the only place that guarantees G0/SLACR revision, which runs at a lower voltage (allowing it to run cooler and have a greater OC threshold). And don't get an OEM processor; they only come with a 90-day limited warranty, whereas retail processors have a three-year warranty.

While you're at it, you may want to purchase one of the following CPU coolers:




The following are some recommendations for cases and power supplies (if you need case fans, pick up some Yate Loons)...
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thanks for the reply...

well my monitor currently is a compaq p1610 24" crt.. I have 2 of them..... well actually 3 of them but using 2 on 1 computer....


so you think the XFX PVT88PYDQ4 GeForce 8800GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 is not the better choice then?

I figured id go with...

video
$279 - XFX PVT88PYDQ4 GeForce 8800GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0

mobo - swap out the $90 one for this...
$199 - GIGABYTE GA-X38-DS4 LGA 775 Intel X38 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail


then I could use the pci express 2.0

you recommend the 8800GTS but that is only pciE 16 right?
I am hoping to go to a flat panel of 22" or larger later this year.....


on the cpu.. yeah ill buy from them so thanks for that tip.. also thanks for the retail tip....

I was going to use my thermaltake water cool kit that I have on the cpu.....
I know not alot of people like the kit on here but I bought it and it has been running nice so far.....



you list power supplies from $50-$150... do you think it matters on which I get then? minimum wattage I should get?

case is a case I guess... im thinking a desktop as I have a spot I could put it...


input appreciated man! :D
 
enginurd thanks for the reply..

so you say dont worry about the pcie 2.0 then right now..

go with the cheaper mobo and gts video card....

no real benefit on the pciE 2.0???
 
TeleFragger said:
well my monitor currently is a compaq p1610 24" crt.. I have 2 of them..... well actually 3 of them but using 2 on 1 computer....

you recommend the 8800GTS but that is only pciE 16 right?
I am hoping to go to a flat panel of 22" or larger later this year.....

mobo - swap out the $90 one for this...
$199 - GIGABYTE GA-X38-DS4 LGA 775 Intel X38 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
then I could use the pci express 2.0

you list power supplies from $50-$150... do you think it matters on which I get then? minimum wattage I should get?
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Since you have CRTs, you can run them at lower resolutions, so all you need is the 8800GT, even if you downgrade to a 22" LCD. See the charts I posted above.

No need for PCI-E2.0 right now. See my reply above.

All you need for a single vidcard system is the Corsair 520W modular.

PSU FAQ: http://www.jonnyguru.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1036

PSU Suggestions:
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showpost.php?p=1590883&postcount=193
http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1460
http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103

EDIT: didn't see your reply... but yah, no real need for PCI-E2.0 right now. How long do you plan on keeping this system? If its only 2-3 yrs, then I don't see the point in spending such a high premium simply for PCI-E2.0 unless you want to keep it much longer than 3yrs and still play "current" games (of the future). Just look at AGP8x... there are still some ATI cards that perform as good as their PCI-E16x counterparts! So I think it will be a while before PCI-E2.0 cards are severely limited by the PCI-E1.1 slots.
 
enginurd said:
EDIT: didn't see your reply... but yah, no real need for PCI-E2.0 right now. How long do you plan on keeping this system? If its only 2-3 yrs, then I don't see the point in spending such a high premium simply for PCI-E2.0 unless you want to keep it much longer than 3yrs and still play "current" games (of the future). Just look at AGP8x... there are still some ATI cards that perform as good as their PCI-E16x counterparts! So I think it will be a while before PCI-E2.0 cards are severely limited by the PCI-E1.1 slots.
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I plan on keeping the system for a LONG time so yes longer than 3 years... hell I just got rid of my piii 450's with 384mb ram

if I want to game I use my xbox 360.. but since all the guys I lan game with on tuesday night (each at our own house) I need a machine to play todays games...

for agp.. right now I have the geforce 7950 GT 512mb and it allowed me to play rainbow six vegas and COD4....
 
Its hard to predict the future. I'd much rather spend $90 on a mobo now and another $90 on a mobo in 3-5yrs, than spend $220 on a mobo now.
 
enginurd said:
Its hard to predict the future. I'd much rather spend $90 on a mobo now and another $90 on a mobo in 3-5yrs, than spend $220 on a mobo now.
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true dat... true dat... however I only get to drop a coin once every few years as when the wife allows it... :)

also my other thing with this machine is I have 16 mini dv tapes I need to get to the computer and create dvd's... of course custom dvd's with menus and all... however that is another topic as I do not have the knowhow!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
You can explain that you saved money last time so you could spend some "this time," when that discussion arises in the future. ;)

You'll be ready, CPU-wise, to encode all those home videos.
 
X38 boards right now are not worth the money. They only offer three things to the table: PCIe 2.0 (which is moot since today's PCIe 2.0 cards are backwards compatible and don't fully saturate the PCIe 1.0 bus), DDR3 support (but DDR3 memory is expensive, especially compared to DDR2), and native CrossFire (which doesn't work with Nvidia cards... and enginurd said that you don't really need it...).

Take a look at P35 boards such as the Gigabyte GA-P35 series, the Abit IP35 series, and the Asus P5K series (and choose one based on which features you need, such as 4+ SATA ports, eSATA, RAID, etc.). If you need a cheap, yet good, board, the Abit IP35-E and the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L both cost $90, and both boards (as well as all P35 boards) will support the Penryn processors.
 
I built whats in my sig for under 1035 and I'm still waiting for a 30$ MIR from the Antec Case.
 
There are P35 boards with DDR3 support, btw. Though, they're not worth buying unless they're the same price as the DDR2 version (eg P5KC).

leoftw said:
I built whats in my sig for under 1035 and I'm still waiting for a 30$ MIR from the Antec Case.
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Your sig lists...

Asus Formula Maximus SE X38
Intel Q6600 2.4GHZ @ 3.2GHZ @ 1.320V
Tuniq 120 Tower W/ Tuniq TX2 Grease
Nvidia BFG 8800GT OC @ 750/1000
Crucial Ballistix / Tracer 4x1GB DDR2 800 @ 1200MHZ @ 2.06V
Thermaltake Toughpower 750W Modular Power Supply
Maxtor 7200.10 PATA 320GB Drive
Optiarc DVD/RW
Cooler Master 690
BenQ 24"

I don't see anything Antec in there. All of that for under $1035? You must have gotten a really good deal on some of those parts.
 
A lot of the stuff I bought was from Black Friday

(The processor , harddrive, )

I meant cooler master . Sorry
 
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