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Amd Vs Intel
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(cf)Eclipse
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*notes to self*
be careful in this thread.. these kinds of topics are very.. flame sensitive.
however, the main things i like about amd over intel are as follows:
cheaper for same performance
far better gaming experience
runs cooler (compared to prescott.. northwood isn't too bad, and the dothan totally kicks everyone's ass in keeping cool)
downward multi's are unlocked, and on the fx, upward too
gives me a chance to support the "underdog"
that's about all that comes to mind now
be careful in this thread.. these kinds of topics are very.. flame sensitive.
however, the main things i like about amd over intel are as follows:
cheaper for same performance
far better gaming experience
runs cooler (compared to prescott.. northwood isn't too bad, and the dothan totally kicks everyone's ass in keeping cool)
downward multi's are unlocked, and on the fx, upward too
gives me a chance to support the "underdog"
that's about all that comes to mind now
screw amd and intel
VIA ALL THE WAY!
jk jk
basically what most people say is true
AMD for gaming (with the Athlon 64)
Intel for Business work/folding/multi-tasking and other things that benefit from having multiple CPUS (because of Hyperthreading)
i personally prefer AMD because of the prices.....although the A64 is about the same price range as the p4s.....they perform a whole lot better in gaming. which is what i do
VIA ALL THE WAY!
jk jk
basically what most people say is true
AMD for gaming (with the Athlon 64)
Intel for Business work/folding/multi-tasking and other things that benefit from having multiple CPUS (because of Hyperthreading)
i personally prefer AMD because of the prices.....although the A64 is about the same price range as the p4s.....they perform a whole lot better in gaming. which is what i do
oh okay, well the main reason I wanted to know the difference between the two is because I wanna make my own computer soon,
and me and my friend, we made a list of compuer parts id have to buy for the intel and for the amd system
Here it is, tell me what you think about it , id need some advices:
my starting budget: 1500$
here is the lists:
and for the INTEL SYSTEM:
INTEL SYSTEM
Antec Solution SLK1650B black ATX 350W
Price: $92.69 Cash/Debit: $89.99
DDR400 PC3200 512MB Kingston ValueRAM
Quality RAM at value pricing, Kingston ValueRam lets you get the memory you need for today's RAM intensive applications. Operating at 400MHz, this will provide a substantial performance increase over
Price: $133.89 Cash/Debit: $99.99
DDR400 PC3200 512MB Kingston ValueRAM
Quality RAM at value pricing, Kingston ValueRam lets you get the memory you need for today's RAM intensive applications. Operating at 400MHz, this will provide a substantial performance increase over
Price: $133.89 Cash/Debit: $99.99
Creative SoundBlaster Audigy2 Value
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 delivers high-quality multi-channel recording and playback at up to 24-bit/96kHz and is the first PC product to offer playback of Advanced ...
Price: $102.99 Cash/Debit: $49.99
Seagate SATA 80GB 8Mb Cache 7200RPM
Seagate's Barracuda ATA V with Serial ATA Interface leverages the mechanics of the industry's quietest 7200 rpm desktop drive. The Barracuda ATA V offers 80GB and 120GB ...
Price: $102.99 Cash/Debit: $99.99
LG GDR-8162 16X DVD-ROM Drive Black
See the difference a great optical drive makes.....
You can dominate the world of the optical storage
Features
Can Read DVD data at 16x Max
Can play all kinds of ...
Price: $36.04 Cash/Debit: $34.99
Mitsumi 1.44Mb 3.5" Black Floppy Drive
Ounce-for-ounce, byte-for-byte, you won't find a more valued floppy disk drive than the Mitsumi 3.5". Our drives feature industry-leading reliability, with high quality, durable magnetic heads. Heads
Price: $23.68 Cash/Debit: $22.99
ATI Saphhire X700Pro 256MB PCIE TV/DVI
Price: $298.69 Cash/Debit: $289.99
Asus P5GDC i915P s775 DDR1&2 GBLAN SATA
Although Intel's 925X, 915P and 915G chipsets claimed to only support DDR2 400/533, ASUS engineers successfully unleashed their true potential. This model offers native DDR2 600, eliminating the ...
Price: $185.39 Cash/Debit: $179.99
Intel P4 3.2G "540" LGA775 1m/L2/800FSB
Price: $278.09 Cash/Debit: $269.99
TOTAL 1423.59
*taxes are included in both prices
and me and my friend, we made a list of compuer parts id have to buy for the intel and for the amd system
Here it is, tell me what you think about it , id need some advices:
my starting budget: 1500$
here is the lists:
AMD SYSTEM
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 939Pin Retail w/ Fan
Enjoy exceptional performance with the AMD Athlon 64 processor, designed for desktop replacement notebooks!
Features and Benefits
Most advanced PC processor for notebook ...
Price: $257.49 Cash/Debit: $249.99
ASUS A8V-DX K8T800 939PIN SATA GBLAN
Supports AMD Socket 939 Athlon 64FX/Athlon 64
This motherboard supports AMD 939-pin Athlon 64 FX/ Athlon 64 processors with 1MB/512KB L2 cache which is based on 64-bit architecture. It ...
Price: $205.99 Cash/Debit: $199.99
DDR400 PC3200 512MB Kingston ValueRAM
Quality RAM at value pricing, Kingston ValueRam lets you get the memory you need for today's RAM intensive applications. Operating at 400MHz, this will provide a substantial performance increase over
Price: $133.89 Cash/Debit: $99.99
DDR400 PC3200 512MB Kingston ValueRAM
Quality RAM at value pricing, Kingston ValueRam lets you get the memory you need for today's RAM intensive applications. Operating at 400MHz, this will provide a substantial performance increase over
Price: $133.89 Cash/Debit: $99.99
Creative SoundBlaster Audigy2 Value
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 delivers high-quality multi-channel recording and playback at up to 24-bit/96kHz and is the first PC product to offer playback of Advanced ...
Price: $102.99 Cash/Debit: $49.99
Seagate SATA 80GB 8Mb Cache 7200RPM
Seagate's Barracuda ATA V with Serial ATA Interface leverages the mechanics of the industry's quietest 7200 rpm desktop drive. The Barracuda ATA V offers 80GB and 120GB ...
Price: $102.99 Cash/Debit: $99.99
LG GDR-8162 16X DVD-ROM Drive Black
See the difference a great optical drive makes.....
You can dominate the world of the optical storage
Features
Can Read DVD data at 16x Max
Can play all kinds of ...
Price: $36.04 Cash/Debit: $34.99
Mitsumi 1.44Mb 3.5" Black Floppy Drive
Ounce-for-ounce, byte-for-byte, you won't find a more valued floppy disk drive than the Mitsumi 3.5". Our drives feature industry-leading reliability, with high quality, durable magnetic heads. Heads
Price: $23.68 Cash/Debit: $22.99
ATI Radeon 9800Pro 128M DDR AGP8x Retail
RADEON 9800 technology is available in two product configurations built by ATI: RADEON 9800 PRO 128MB and RADEON 9800 PRO 256MB.
RADEON 9800 Series of visual ...
Price: $329.59 Cash/Debit: $319.99
Antec Solution SLK1650B black ATX 350W
Price: $92.69 Cash/Debit: $89.99
TOTAL 1458.09
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 939Pin Retail w/ Fan
Enjoy exceptional performance with the AMD Athlon 64 processor, designed for desktop replacement notebooks!
Features and Benefits
Most advanced PC processor for notebook ...
Price: $257.49 Cash/Debit: $249.99
ASUS A8V-DX K8T800 939PIN SATA GBLAN
Supports AMD Socket 939 Athlon 64FX/Athlon 64
This motherboard supports AMD 939-pin Athlon 64 FX/ Athlon 64 processors with 1MB/512KB L2 cache which is based on 64-bit architecture. It ...
Price: $205.99 Cash/Debit: $199.99
DDR400 PC3200 512MB Kingston ValueRAM
Quality RAM at value pricing, Kingston ValueRam lets you get the memory you need for today's RAM intensive applications. Operating at 400MHz, this will provide a substantial performance increase over
Price: $133.89 Cash/Debit: $99.99
DDR400 PC3200 512MB Kingston ValueRAM
Quality RAM at value pricing, Kingston ValueRam lets you get the memory you need for today's RAM intensive applications. Operating at 400MHz, this will provide a substantial performance increase over
Price: $133.89 Cash/Debit: $99.99
Creative SoundBlaster Audigy2 Value
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 delivers high-quality multi-channel recording and playback at up to 24-bit/96kHz and is the first PC product to offer playback of Advanced ...
Price: $102.99 Cash/Debit: $49.99
Seagate SATA 80GB 8Mb Cache 7200RPM
Seagate's Barracuda ATA V with Serial ATA Interface leverages the mechanics of the industry's quietest 7200 rpm desktop drive. The Barracuda ATA V offers 80GB and 120GB ...
Price: $102.99 Cash/Debit: $99.99
LG GDR-8162 16X DVD-ROM Drive Black
See the difference a great optical drive makes.....
You can dominate the world of the optical storage
Features
Can Read DVD data at 16x Max
Can play all kinds of ...
Price: $36.04 Cash/Debit: $34.99
Mitsumi 1.44Mb 3.5" Black Floppy Drive
Ounce-for-ounce, byte-for-byte, you won't find a more valued floppy disk drive than the Mitsumi 3.5". Our drives feature industry-leading reliability, with high quality, durable magnetic heads. Heads
Price: $23.68 Cash/Debit: $22.99
ATI Radeon 9800Pro 128M DDR AGP8x Retail
RADEON 9800 technology is available in two product configurations built by ATI: RADEON 9800 PRO 128MB and RADEON 9800 PRO 256MB.
RADEON 9800 Series of visual ...
Price: $329.59 Cash/Debit: $319.99
Antec Solution SLK1650B black ATX 350W
Price: $92.69 Cash/Debit: $89.99
TOTAL 1458.09
and for the INTEL SYSTEM:
INTEL SYSTEM
Antec Solution SLK1650B black ATX 350W
Price: $92.69 Cash/Debit: $89.99
DDR400 PC3200 512MB Kingston ValueRAM
Quality RAM at value pricing, Kingston ValueRam lets you get the memory you need for today's RAM intensive applications. Operating at 400MHz, this will provide a substantial performance increase over
Price: $133.89 Cash/Debit: $99.99
DDR400 PC3200 512MB Kingston ValueRAM
Quality RAM at value pricing, Kingston ValueRam lets you get the memory you need for today's RAM intensive applications. Operating at 400MHz, this will provide a substantial performance increase over
Price: $133.89 Cash/Debit: $99.99
Creative SoundBlaster Audigy2 Value
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 delivers high-quality multi-channel recording and playback at up to 24-bit/96kHz and is the first PC product to offer playback of Advanced ...
Price: $102.99 Cash/Debit: $49.99
Seagate SATA 80GB 8Mb Cache 7200RPM
Seagate's Barracuda ATA V with Serial ATA Interface leverages the mechanics of the industry's quietest 7200 rpm desktop drive. The Barracuda ATA V offers 80GB and 120GB ...
Price: $102.99 Cash/Debit: $99.99
LG GDR-8162 16X DVD-ROM Drive Black
See the difference a great optical drive makes.....
You can dominate the world of the optical storage
Features
Can Read DVD data at 16x Max
Can play all kinds of ...
Price: $36.04 Cash/Debit: $34.99
Mitsumi 1.44Mb 3.5" Black Floppy Drive
Ounce-for-ounce, byte-for-byte, you won't find a more valued floppy disk drive than the Mitsumi 3.5". Our drives feature industry-leading reliability, with high quality, durable magnetic heads. Heads
Price: $23.68 Cash/Debit: $22.99
ATI Saphhire X700Pro 256MB PCIE TV/DVI
Price: $298.69 Cash/Debit: $289.99
Asus P5GDC i915P s775 DDR1&2 GBLAN SATA
Although Intel's 925X, 915P and 915G chipsets claimed to only support DDR2 400/533, ASUS engineers successfully unleashed their true potential. This model offers native DDR2 600, eliminating the ...
Price: $185.39 Cash/Debit: $179.99
Intel P4 3.2G "540" LGA775 1m/L2/800FSB
Price: $278.09 Cash/Debit: $269.99
TOTAL 1423.59
*taxes are included in both prices
AMD:
In my experience AMD tends to be better for games.
They consistenly overclock better.
Better value for your dollar.
Mobos for AMD sockets tend to run you lower.
Intel:
Intel seems to run much smoother while multi-tasking.
They limit your ocing ability, so in turn far greater stability.
I never really was a fan of Intel.
Adam.
In my experience AMD tends to be better for games.
They consistenly overclock better.
Better value for your dollar.
Mobos for AMD sockets tend to run you lower.
Intel:
Intel seems to run much smoother while multi-tasking.
They limit your ocing ability, so in turn far greater stability.
I never really was a fan of Intel.
Adam.
I have worked with a long line of Intel CPU systems ( 2.4C, 2.8C, 3.0E, 3.2E, 3.2C, 3.4E ) and was very happy with the system performance. They all overclocked well (the 3.4E was at 4.2 GHz), and then along came the FX-55 and Winchesters. I was holding my own against the AMD 64 series, and I had an Intel bias. AMD was always the "budget" alternative, not a "real" processor. You know, no dual channel, buggy motherboards, etc. Well, the AMD FX-53 made me look very hard at AMD. When the FX-55 appeared, it was over for Intel.
So, for my first foray into the AMD world, I chose an inexpensive AMD 64 3200+ Winnie. Boy, was I surprised. I stumbled past the Abit and ASUS VIA boards ( no 1T past 250 FSB ) and finally got an MSI Neo2, which easily gets my RAM to 295 FSB with 1T timings. All I could say was, Holy S*&^, this CPU is fast when overclocked. It destroyed my P4 at 4.2 Ghz. The unlocked multi was a dream compared to the locked Intels. I am sold on the AMD. I found the arguments that held true in the past, for AMD versus Intel, were now outdated. Intel has been steadily sliding over the past year, and AMD has emerged as the leader.
So, go AMD for all that it represents:
- 64 bit compatible
- you will not be stuck with the high latency DDR2 RAM (this will get better)
- the new steppings of the cheap AMD 64 Winchesters clock very well
- the fastest benchmarks are all on AMD
- multitasking has vastly improved
- unlocked multi on FX, Winnie's unlocked down, only, but still unlocked
- the best processor for gaming, hands down.
- what aspects it does trail the Intel in, it trails marginally
Be happy, go AMD
So, for my first foray into the AMD world, I chose an inexpensive AMD 64 3200+ Winnie. Boy, was I surprised. I stumbled past the Abit and ASUS VIA boards ( no 1T past 250 FSB ) and finally got an MSI Neo2, which easily gets my RAM to 295 FSB with 1T timings. All I could say was, Holy S*&^, this CPU is fast when overclocked. It destroyed my P4 at 4.2 Ghz. The unlocked multi was a dream compared to the locked Intels. I am sold on the AMD. I found the arguments that held true in the past, for AMD versus Intel, were now outdated. Intel has been steadily sliding over the past year, and AMD has emerged as the leader.
So, go AMD for all that it represents:
- 64 bit compatible
- you will not be stuck with the high latency DDR2 RAM (this will get better)
- the new steppings of the cheap AMD 64 Winchesters clock very well
- the fastest benchmarks are all on AMD
- multitasking has vastly improved
- unlocked multi on FX, Winnie's unlocked down, only, but still unlocked
- the best processor for gaming, hands down.
- what aspects it does trail the Intel in, it trails marginally
Be happy, go AMD
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Bahaaha i just gave my friend a laptop that has a Cyrix chip in it.54YW4T said:
freeloader1969
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Intel no longer has the advantage it once had doing video/audio encoding. Those tasks seem to be more processor/program dependant than anything else. If you browse the net looking for benches, you'll find an FX55 beats a 3.8ghz P4 at video/audio encoding when using xxxx program. The 3.8ghz P4 will beat the FX55 when using yyyy program. It just depends what architecture the program was developed for.
And we all know who wins in the gaming department
Price is about the same for the low end chips, although the FX55 is about $100 cheaper than the P4 Emergency Edition. in the upper range.
Right now, AMD has a thermal advantage over the P4 (Prescotts) which equals cooler running and less expensive to operate.
At this point in time, you'd be silly to buy Intel. Of course 6-12 months from now that can all change. That's the beauty of competition.
And we all know who wins in the gaming department
Price is about the same for the low end chips, although the FX55 is about $100 cheaper than the P4 Emergency Edition.
in the upper range.Right now, AMD has a thermal advantage over the P4 (Prescotts) which equals cooler running and less expensive to operate.
At this point in time, you'd be silly to buy Intel. Of course 6-12 months from now that can all change. That's the beauty of competition.
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Um... AMD not being a "real" cpu in the past is bullshit. It did have dual channel (nforce2). Buggy motherboards my ass... not any more buggy than intel motherboards. AMD has always had the best price performance ratio.
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He was stating his opinion in the past that he held with AMD processors.
Buggy mobo's, erm, I've always used AMD since my first build with a k6-2... remember the phrase "via hell?" 'nuff said.
Buggy mobo's, erm, I've always used AMD since my first build with a k6-2... remember the phrase "via hell?" 'nuff said.
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I owned a P4 way back 2yrs ago (1.8ghz) then I bought an AMD 2600+. I'm still very happy with it and I am surely going to buy an amd 64 soon. I have an NF7-S and I have to say that it is a hell of a mobo. Nothing buggy!! Only probs I had when installing cheap unbranded ram but then changed to corsair and I am running pretty nice speeds.
^puNky^
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Tengis said:
Just stating the standard bulls*&^ Intel bias from the past. And, the newcastle cores are not dual channel, if I remember correctly. (only 3700 on SiSandra memory test) And, in the benchmark game, cost is usually NOT the motivator. Just results. Ask the FX-55, phase changed, modded XT PE or SLI guys why they pay $4000 to build a PC. 12K in 3DMark05 is why. 25K plus in 3DMark03. 100K plus in AM3. Prior to the FX-53 and 55, Intel had ruled to roost with the Intel EE (Exceedingly Expensive). No longer
Pre-nForce2, the AMD chips were almost always paired up with buggy VIA-chipset motherboards. VIA continues to crank out shitty, buggy chipsets year after year and I'm surprised people still buy from them. Pre-Opteron, the AMD chips were a joke amongst the serious dual-processor / workstation / server community. The Athlon XP had many deficiencies when compared to the Pentium 4 Northwood, and not just in terms of performance.Tengis said:
The current situation, however, is very different. The AMD Athlon 64 is dominating at gaming and doing just fine at everything else as well. The nForce3 motherboards are solid and have good features. nForce4 brings PCI-Express and SLI, although I'd like to see the platfrom mature a little (not to mention better availability on high-end PCI-E video cards!). The processors are cheaper and run faster. Apparently they overclock better too, although I don't know from personal experience. Right now the only advantage that Intel has is HyperThreading ... period. And the only thing I dislike about the current Athlons is the sometimes confusing model number system ("they're both 2.4ghz ... why is that one $300 more?!").
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As quoted by Rolo...
"And the only thing I dislike about the current Athlons is the sometimes confusing model number system ("they're both 2.4ghz ... why is that one $300 more?!")."
Damn straight. It's just too bad AMD couldn't have brought out S939 from the get go. Three different sockets right now for Athlon 64/FX chips (S940,939,754) is confusing for the average Joe Blow who know's jack shit about computing. The PR system should definitely be changed. An Athlon 64 3000+ will cream an Athlon XP 3000+ system. Although to AMD's credit, they are now phasing out the XP chip. Nonetheless, you'll still have budget chips on the S754 platform.
Here's a couple of questions that no one has ever answered. Will AMD modify it's current PR system when Microsoft releases a 64 bit OS and performance increases 5-10%? Is there going to be a difference between a Sempron model # and equivalent A64 if AMD ever enables 64bit extensions in the S754 Sempron?
"And the only thing I dislike about the current Athlons is the sometimes confusing model number system ("they're both 2.4ghz ... why is that one $300 more?!")."
Damn straight. It's just too bad AMD couldn't have brought out S939 from the get go. Three different sockets right now for Athlon 64/FX chips (S940,939,754) is confusing for the average Joe Blow who know's jack shit about computing. The PR system should definitely be changed. An Athlon 64 3000+ will cream an Athlon XP 3000+ system. Although to AMD's credit, they are now phasing out the XP chip. Nonetheless, you'll still have budget chips on the S754 platform.
Here's a couple of questions that no one has ever answered. Will AMD modify it's current PR system when Microsoft releases a 64 bit OS and performance increases 5-10%? Is there going to be a difference between a Sempron model # and equivalent A64 if AMD ever enables 64bit extensions in the S754 Sempron?