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amd vs intel

Originally posted by EnderW
lol - both of those are locked
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Yea there were about 6 threads that got WAY out of hand in the AMD section the other night lol. One guy got to take a "vacation" lol. I've learned my lesson to not go argue in threads that get moved to the AMD section cause AMD lovers dont want to hear it even if its the truth since they've got their own truth they live by lol.
 
Originally posted by burningrave101
Ehhh i think 2 years is a bit much to hope for. I think in two years i'd upgrade to one of the new Celerons out then lol. In benches right now between the Pentium 4, A64, and Athlon XP, the Athlon XP is usually pretty well down there on the bottom of the list especially against Pentium 4's running over 3Ghz...
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This is true, but if you look closely, they really are not very far behind in most benches at stock speed xp3200 (200x11). Sure, the P4 does beat it in the majority (not even ALL, but the majority) of benches... but the reality check comes when you sit in front of one and are reminded that even though it's in last place, it is no dog.

Now consider the xp2500 running at something like 220x11, or 230x10.5, 240x10... 2 years is much more feasable now don't you think? :)
 
Originally posted by burningrave101
Yea there were about 6 threads that got WAY out of hand in the AMD section the other night lol. One guy got to take a "vacation" lol. I've learned my lesson to not go argue in threads that get moved to the AMD section cause AMD lovers dont want to hear it even if its the truth since they've got their own truth they live by lol.
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lol, I might read through them for the hell of it

you going to pick up a prescott next week?
 
Originally posted by EnderW
lol, I might read through them for the hell of it

you going to pick up a prescott next week?
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The first few pages of the threads are just a TON of links that i was posting and other people posted a few so its mainly just informatioin and facts i was using to back up everything i said. If you want a good laff you need to scroll to the last couple of pages in the threads cause thats where facts and information flew out the window lol.

I really dont know if im gonna pick one up yet or not. I'm building a new system right now and i wanna see how the thing does and maybe wait for a new motherboard. If i decide to go with Prescott i will probably wait till the second one thats released which is the 3.6E cause it will be on socket T and will perform better or at least it should.
 
Originally posted by burningrave101
The first few pages of the threads are just a TON of links that i was posting and other people posted a few so its mainly just informatioin and facts i was using to back up everything i said. If you want a good laff you need to scroll to the last couple of pages in the threads cause thats where facts and information flew out the window lol.

I really dont know if im gonna pick one up yet or not. I'm building a new system right now and i wanna see how the thing does and maybe wait for a new motherboard. If i decide to go with Prescott i will probably wait till the second one thats released which is the 3.6E cause it will be on socket T and will perform better or at least it should.
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I have a 2.6C, that my brother is buying for $160, so I will probably get a new chip, either a 2.8C, 3.0C, or 2.8 Prescott, depending on the price drops on the 'C' chips and the benchs on the Prescotts.
 
Originally posted by EnderW
I have a 2.6C, that my brother is buying for $160, so I will probably get a new chip, either a 2.8C, 3.0C, or 2.8 Prescott, depending on the price drops on the 'C' chips and the benchs on the Prescotts.
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Just dont tell him a 2.8Ghz Prescott could retail for around $175 or he might have second thoughts lol.
 
Originally posted by burningrave101
Just dont tell him a 2.8Ghz Prescott could retail for around $175 or he might have second thoughts lol.
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I'm not going to. :p

I almost feel bad...almost. But hey, what are little brothers for?
 
I have one of each, and there both pretty good, my AMD loads into games like UT2003 a little faster, but its overclocked a lot. My intel chip is not overclocked at all. Either one will do fine, the new p4 C's are very fast, but if you're really on a tight budget, I would get a AMD 2500 or 2600. Of course if you have some money to burn... buy an athlon 64 :)
 
Originally posted by EnderW
I'm not going to. :p

I almost feel bad...almost. But hey, what are little brothers for?
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Their for taking advantage of and getting rid of old hardware :). I dont like my girlfriends little brother so i would do it to him every time. "Ok it will be $500 for this 2.2Ghz P4 i ripped out of this kick ass HP machine, thats definately less then I payed for it".
 
Originally posted by burningrave101
Just dont tell him a 2.8Ghz Prescott could retail for around $175 or he might have second thoughts lol.
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hey clean out your PM box
 
Originally posted by EnderW
hey clean out your PM box

or get on AIM, I'm under ace7733
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Dude i've only got ONE PM in my PM box....

EDIT: And i've got like 30 in my Sent folder lol.
 
Not to hijack the thread... but prescotts will have a 533 fsb version....

Why?

Just wondering, would it be a step down from a 2.8c to a 2.8 prescott with a 533 fsb?
 
Originally posted by Cloud15x
Not to hijack the thread... but prescotts will have a 533 fsb version....

Why?

Just wondering, would it be a step down from a 2.8c to a 2.8 prescott with a 533 fsb?
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You sure about that? I havn't seen any 533FSB Prescotts. I think your looking at the current 533FSB Northwoods like the 3.06Ghz that will be continued in production.
 
HOLY CHRIST!!!

Pentium 4 3.2Ghz 800FSB retail $289

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-116-164&catalog=343&depa=1

Pentium 4 3.0c 800FSB retail $229
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=19-116-156&depa=1

Pentium 4 3.0c 800FSB retail $226
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80661

Pentium 4 2.8c 800FSB retail $189
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-116-161&catalog=343&depa=1
Whos got the best prices now baby :p.

Athlon 64 3200+ $282 <--- YEA RIGHT!
 
Originally posted by Cloud15x
Not to hijack the thread... but prescotts will have a 533 fsb version....

Why?

Just wondering, would it be a step down from a 2.8c to a 2.8 prescott with a 533 fsb?
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Prescott's Mobile version will have a 533 FSB.
Probably so will Prescott Celerons.

But all P4 Prescott Desktop chips will be 800 mhz bus.
 
Thanks for making that clear for me

I though intel was taking a step backwards

I as like i dont think i wanna upgrade....... cuz i got pc4000 and i wanna run my ram to the max
 
Originally posted by burningrave101
HOLY CHRIST!!!

Whos got the best prices now baby :p.

Athlon 64 3200+ $282 <--- YEA RIGHT!
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If that isn't fanboyism, I don't know what is :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by haroldmeyer
What's wrong with being a fanboy if your proud & happy with the shit ya got?
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The fact that he claims to be an even minded individual with no preference to either company.
 
Originally posted by burningrave101
HOLY CHRIST!!!

Pentium 4 3.2Ghz 800FSB retail $289

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-116-164&catalog=343&depa=1

Pentium 4 3.0c 800FSB retail $229
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=19-116-156&depa=1

Pentium 4 3.0c 800FSB retail $226
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80661

Pentium 4 2.8c 800FSB retail $189
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-116-161&catalog=343&depa=1
Whos got the best prices now baby :p.

Athlon 64 3200+ $282 <--- YEA RIGHT!
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I wouldn't go bragging till we see the benchmarks. Although this would be a first with intel pricing their cpu's competatively.
 
Yea my price remark was more sarcasm, however i do remember even cheaper pcs going for 2000+ at the time. Amd especially in the last couple of years has really driven intel to work a bit harder. Other than their decent 486 cpu, intel hasnt had to worry about amd until the athlon.

Without amd we'd still have rdram, remember that crap? How about a new cpu slot/socket for no good reason a couple times a year? On a footnote, on the intel side of the fence most motherboards are intel chipsets, by changing sockets, they sell more chipsets therefore make more money. Just a few reasons why i dont carry any intel stuff.

Its not that the hardware is bad, far from it, intel makes some solid stuff, its their other practices that i dont like.
 
Originally posted by haroldmeyer
What's wrong with being a fanboy if your proud & happy with the shit ya got?
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Because there comes a point where to be a fanboy means that you bend the truth to your favor just to relentlessly keep "your company" in the top spot of the opinion of others.

Typically this implies one way or another that the "other company's product" is not worth owning, and possibly even garbage.

The thing that's wrong with this is that it's an injustice. If I tell you that honda makes the best economy car (which I drive) and that there is no other choice, and I have never even driven a toyota or a hyundai, then I just did you wrong... because the fact is that toyota, hyundai, and a few others make a car that is just as good. But because I HAVE a honda, I MUST make others believe that it's the best, because my car defines me as a person. Right?

Intel makes a great chip, and so does AMD. The xp2500 barton sucks ass because the p4 2.6C beats it, right? Wrong. It's like arguing the differences between a $60,000 porsche and a $90,000 ferrari... the ferrari does 0-60 in 4.2 sec and the porsche in 4.9... So that porsche is a dog right? Hardly. It's still fast... and wait til you hit the tight twisty corners and that porsche may in fact give that ferrari a little spanking...

I don't have a problem with intel fans, or amd fans. I respect both. But sometimes people just go off the hook and lose touch with REALITY, and try to play the numbers game in whatever way suits their side... disregarding the benchmarks that don't really matter (where the other company's chip outperforms). Not to mention the majority of benchmarks where it's so close that it's a negligible difference. It goes both ways.

The amd vs. intel threads would be ok if fanboys of both sides would just admit to the strengths and weaknesses of each chip, instead of PRETENDING as if the P4 owns all, or the A64 is the only choice. Both are good all around choices, and both have certain strengths that fit certain needs better than the other. Get over it fanboys, YOUR PC DOES NOT DEFINE YOU AS A PERSON!!!

Anyway I still like AMD better, but I'd definitely buy a p4 if I had some extra dough (just to have one of both) :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by lopoetve
The fact that he claims to be an even minded individual with no preference to either company.
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Um yea ok. Im probably more even minded about these CPU's then the majority of you. Espeically those of you that use AMD processors. AMD lovers are usually twice as bad as those that use Intel.

I state facts and i make it a point to back up what i say with links. I dont go spouting off about one chip or the other making opinions all the time like the rest so im definately not a fanboy.

How the heck can you say thats a fanboy comment? You people have been going on for weeks rubbing the price factors of the A64 into the ground for the reason to buy them over a more expensive Pentium 4. And now the Pentium 4's have dropped in price alot, especially the 3.2Ghz Northwood. Dont be whiners cause the tide is turning against you.

For years AMD has put out chips much cheaper then Intel and now things are starting to change. Intel is shipping out Prescott at rock bottom prices and the Northwoods are very reasonable now. The A64 3400+ is still up there at over $400. In the AMD section everyone kept going on about the 3.2Ghz vs the 3400+ which isn't even a fair bench at stock speeds but you guys said it was because of price, well now the 3.2Ghz is only $289 and everyone knows they'll overclock to 3.6Ghz and higher lol.

I wasn't bashing on AMD cause i like AMD. Im bashing on the stupid AMD fanboys that rub the prices vs performance crap into the ground all the time.
 
Originally posted by burningrave101
Um yea ok. Im probably more even minded about these CPU's then the majority of you. Espeically those of you that use AMD processors. AMD lovers are usually twice as bad as those that use Intel.
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You really have some kind of balls to make that statement. You can stereotype the AMD fanboy if it makes you feel better about yourself, but fanboys of both AMD and INTEL are equally bad. In fact, I take back what I said about your fanboy comment. You just took it to a whole new level, more like a intel "supremacist".
Originally posted by burningrave101
I state facts and i make it a point to back up what i say with links.
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This may be true but make it seem like you'd rather die than admit that AMD's new chip rocks and is a good choice for the price (ESPECIALLY FOR GAMING), even if a 3.0C can be had for the same price.
Originally posted by burningrave101
You people have been going on for weeks rubbing the price factors of the A64 into the ground for the reason to buy them over a more expensive Pentium 4. And now the Pentium 4's have dropped in price alot, especially the 3.2Ghz Northwood. Dont be whiners cause the tide is turning against you.
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"You people"? Holy shit man. You really are on a quest to crush all who oppose you, arent' you?
Originally posted by burningrave101
The A64 3400+ is still up there at over $400.
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Did they discontinue the A64 3000+ and 3200+?
Originally posted by burningrave101
I wasn't bashing on AMD cause i like AMD. Im bashing on the stupid AMD fanboys that rub the prices vs performance crap into the ground all the time.
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Same here. Not bashing intel, but bashing the stupid intel supremacists that rub the prices vs performance crap into the ground all the time (3.2ghz for $289).

See how the shoe fits now?
 
You really have some kind of balls to make that statement. You can stereotype the AMD fanboy if it makes you feel better about yourself, but fanboys of both AMD and INTEL are equally bad. In fact, I take back what I said about your fanboy comment. You just took it to a whole new level, more like a intel "supremacist".
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If you dont believe me go into the AMD section and then go into the Intel section. I dont make it a point to go in ither one very much but especially not the AMD one any more. I dont support Intel and i dont support AMD. I push the processor i think is best at the time that can do the most of what i think is necessary. In the AMD section there are people that have to say every other reply that the Pentium 4's sucks, AMD4LIFE, and they start new threads just to tag on arguments and much more. Its a rampant free for all with unsupported opinions. Im not saying the Intel section doesn't have any of that sometimes but you can ask the people that are in that section regularly and they can tell you that they dont bash on AMD all the time and they dont flame AMD users nearly as much as AMD users flame Intel supporters. Just go into the AMD section and check out some of those locked threads where ignorant AMD supporters refuse to even listen to just facts being presented and instead start flame wars against the persons character saying they are only a fanboy if they believe that AMD is not the GOD of all processors. You would never get threads that active in the Intel section.

This may be true but make it seem like you'd rather die than admit that AMD's new chip rocks and is a good choice for the price (ESPECIALLY FOR GAMING), even if a 3.0C can be had for the same price.
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If you would look at any of my replies lately you would know thats a lie. I've consistantly said the AMD64 is the best gaming processor and thats what i would pick if i was just a gamer. I also say that if your looking for the best overclocking processor or the best overall according to large amounts of reviews then its the northwood cores.
I dont ever single out AMD and say dont buy it. I say look at what your going to be doing and pick the best for you. I really dont call that being a fanboy.

"You people"? Holy shit man. You really are on a quest to crush all who oppose you, arent' you?
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Im referring to those who have repeatedly compared the 3.2Ghz p4 to the 3400+ cause they WERE relatively the same price. Now the 3.2Ghz is more then $100 cheaper.

Did they discontinue the A64 3000+ and 3200+?
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I never said that. I was talking about the 3400+.

Same here. Not bashing intel, but bashing the stupid intel supremacists that rub the prices vs performance crap into the ground all the time (3.2ghz for $289).
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Yea i guess i do rub it in the ground all the time. You guys go on about how cheap the A64's are in comparison to the Pentium 4's for months and now i make one response back, yea i been rubbing it into the ground alot haven't i lol :rolleyes:.
 
Well you have no doubt made some good points. I certainly don't care to get into a flamewar so let me be the peacebearer and say CYRIX4LIFE :p
 
Originally posted by Benny Blanco
Well you have no doubt made some good points. I certainly don't care to get into a flamewar so let me be the peacebearer and say CYRIX4LIFE :p
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Dude you can bash on Intel or you can bash on AMD it doesn't bother me. I support the processor that gives me what i want, thats all. If the A64 gave me everything i wanted for the price i'd defiantely have me one right now cause i was considering getting one for my current build strongly. I changed my mind though and im glad i did with the recent price drops.

I've only made it through one review so far, but it looks to me like Prescott is a hell of an overclocker.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1956&p=13

We are also hearing from reliable sources that the current steppings of Prescotts coming out of the fabs are performing very well. To get an idea for what sort of headroom to expect we conducted some informal overclocking tests on our Pentium 4 3.20E that we had for testing.

We conducted all tests using just air cooling and we kept the CPU voltage at its default of 1.385V:

An effortless overclock gave us 3.72GHz; we could POST at 4GHz but we didn’t want to showcase what was ultimately possible with Prescott, rather what was easily attainable without increasing voltages.

Intel could have launched Prescott at higher clock speeds than they did, however it seems that their desire to produce as many mainstream Prescotts as possible (2.80E in particular) won out in this case.
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DAMN :)
 
Athlon 900MHz
Athlon 1200MHz (gifted)
Athlon 1800+
Athlon 2500+
2 x Opteron 244s


fairly obvious which way I lean
thats not to say I wouldnt be interested in a Quad Xeon for the right ap :p

but I like my money enough to only part with it in need
 
Originally posted by Ice Czar
but I like my money enough to only part with it in need
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Hey i agree with ya zar man :). Im in college but i have a part time job and i make enough money to buy the hardware i want but i still dont want to blow it all on a processor when i like to distribute it around and buy LOTS of stuff. Overclockability is the #1 thing to me i look for in a cpu. If it doesn't overclock worth a crap then i dont care about its stock performance. Why you ask? Because if it has extreme overclockability then fully overclocked it will be as fast sometimes as the entire lineup of stock speed processors released all year. Thats why. If it only overclocks 200Mhz then hey im gonna get passed by pretty soon with just one or two upcoming releases.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1956&p=19

OMG i can't believe they are still calling the A64 3000+ a Newcastle core. What a bunch of dumbies lol. You'd think they would figure out like the rest thats it justs a normal Hammer core like the other A64's with half its L2 cache disabled.
 
like burningrave101
I build for a specific purpose, while his is overclocking mine is for a particular application, the dually is for Maya5

a Hyperthread enabled CPU would have been my choice for a video editing rig w\ current tech (they seem to favor that ap)
 
It's amazing how these types of threads keep coming out of the woodwork. I suppose I'll chime in with my 2 cents though. :p

I also feel that it's not that big of a deal which company you support. Each one deals with a certain type of computer user. Each processor has its strengths and weaknesses. That's a given and always will be. Continually arguing about products using totally different architecture is very difficult and almost fruitless.

In my own experience however, I've had 3 AMD processor before I made the most recent switch to a 2.4c processor. I've been nothing but impressed with the performance of this new processor and it'll take some real convincing before I might purchase another AMD unit. Perhaps I acquired severely locked processors, perhaps I just wasn't happy with the overclocking ability, who knows. It all boils down to a personal preference.

You have to applaud each company for constantly raising the stakes in CPU performance though. Don't let the market shares fool you, the competition is still very strong and important.

Dark Assassin
 
Both are good, but I would choose AMD, especially the Athlon64. More performance for less price.
 
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