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AMD to Intel, Need Advice.

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swanysto

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Ok guys I have been building AMD rigs since I started mainly because of price. But now that Intel and AMD are somewhat on the same page I would like to give Intel a try. So first things first I have budget of 300-350 dollars. This is for a MB and CPU. Since I know absolutely nothing about Intel boards or their variety of CPU's I seek prof. help here. I trust you guys will guide me in the right direction.

Just in case anyone is wondering what it is for, I do programming and Video work. Sometimes I game but it is graphic unintensive stuff like cs 1.6 etc.

ALL stuff must be retail!
Needs/Wants
16x PCI-e
Minor OC ability.
Stability
I would like to stay 775 cause it seems like it will be more upgradable at least for a year or two.

Here are a couple of CPU's I was looking at.

dual core

630

540j
 
Alright no worries 775 allows for ddr and ddr2 so its cool, go for the dual core or the 630, because the 630 is a 64bit cpu, i personally have a 640 and its a lil beat, it oc pretty, i oced it to a 3.6ghz with a stock cooler so yeah. Why don't you geta 640 or something llike that?
 
well the 640 is a little outta my range, but I will keep it in mind. Would the extra 200 make a bif difference for 40 bucks? Do you agree with the MB that was suggested above? Are all boards that say 775 compatable with the chips that I have listed, it there a difference in LGA or anything like that?

Keep in mind I have only dealt with AMD so all this is new to me.

I have also withdrawn the need for only ddr, ddr2 will be suitable also.

Thanks
 
maybe you should stick with amd, intel's dual core and amd's x2 are not on the same page, if you see how they're structured.
 
amd's dual core starts at 537 i think. That is way too much for me. I am also not looking for an amazing performer, my needs are pretty simple. The x2's would be way more than I need. I had an AMD 3500 and I was not happy with it. I would like to tryout Intel and see if they are as good as advertised.
 
dual core intel chips REQUIRE a 945/955 motherboard, or the NF4 boards. the 945/955's are DDR2 ONLY. im not sure about the NF4 ones. in short, you wont get a dual core chip working with DDR very easily, if it all. your only hope is that NF4 supports DDR, which i dont think it does.
 
the 3800 would have to be like 300 dollars less than the 4000 for me to have any prayer of owning it. What is it about the Intel dual core that you dont like? I am not into gaming except the occasion pug in 1.6 or my sister playing the sims for a little while. My xp 2600 is handling those well enough. I would just like a new computer to do all my programming/video editing on.
 
swanysto said:
well if I go ddr2 can I go with this ram I am a fan of crucial.

crucial

and this board

asus
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Ballistix is "hella tight" but Corsair's 5400UL seems to be the exception to my "screw Corsair" rule.
 
even with that MB and ram? Would I be able to OC the dual core? I am not really looking for a OC champion, i just want stability and multitasking. If I oc it will just be a mild oc. If you think the 630 is a better chip all around then the 2.8 dual core please let me know. I imagine with that board I could always go dual core later if necessary.

Jonathan
 
I have a P4 630 on an ASUS P5WD2 mobo (it's an expensive one, you could find a cheaper good quality board for this processor easily enough). I have this thing overclocked to around 4GHz with only the smallest of VCore increase, with an XP-90 heatsink and 92mm fan. I could probably take it higher with some more voltage.

The 630 is such a great overclocking chip, you would not be disappointed with it. You may want to consider buying an aftermarket HSF though even if you don't OC. These things get pretty darn hot and the stock HSF is only fair.
 
The Doc said:
He asked for help regarding an Intel system.
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When has that mattered? There seems to be no such thing as a thread Highjack if you toss AMD into an post asking about Intel! Lord help you if you even point out prices LOL!

Donnie27
 
I have heard a lot of people saying that they are getting their p4 630's to 4 gigs on air. If I were to do this, hypathetically, how much of a difference do you really see? I mean you are overclocking it by 25%, surely I wont see a 25% increase in FPS or anything like that? Would it be anywhere near and EE edition CPU?

Next question, with the mentioned MB and RAM, would I be eligible to overclock, or would I have to purchase better stuff later on.

And lastly, does anybody know anything about overclocking the PD 820? Would I see significant gains you think?

Thanks
Jonathan

PS for those with AMD comments, I am not dismissing AMD totally, I know they have a wonderful product, but for the first time in a while their line of chips is more expensive than the intel line. I need something budget that I can build up over the next year, but still be decent now.
 
swanysto said:
I have heard a lot of people saying that they are getting their p4 630's to 4 gigs on air. If I were to do this, hypathetically, how much of a difference do you really see? I mean you are overclocking it by 25%, surely I wont see a 25% increase in FPS or anything like that? Would it be anywhere near and EE edition CPU?

Next question, with the mentioned MB and RAM, would I be eligible to overclock, or would I have to purchase better stuff later on.

And lastly, does anybody know anything about overclocking the PD 820? Would I see significant gains you think?

Thanks
Jonathan
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I think the Pentium D might require stronger cooling simply due to its (relatively) terrible power consumption efficiency. The 4ghz cpu would be pretty fast at pretty much, well, everything. HT will make multithreading... decent. I think a Pentium D 820, if OCable to 3.3-3.5ghz speeds, would do you better, though.

[PS for those with AMD comments, I am not dismissing AMD totally, I know they have a wonderful product, but for the first time in a while their line of chips is more expensive than the intel line. I need something budget that I can build up over the next year, but still be decent now.
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The X2's are also at higher performance points than the Intel. When AMD releases lower end models, they will match the price. They already do a good job of it - the 4200 is about the same price as the 840 and does a good job competing with it. But the base X2, 3800, is about $400. You're getting what you pay for, sure, but the entry level Intel 820 does appeal more due to its $250 price point. I'd get a Pentium D before a, say, A64 3500+ simply because dual cores are so much more superior in smoothness, even if they tend to have lower clockspeeds.
 
I have an xp90 sitting around here somewhere that I had on my old system, so I should be fine with cooling. I guess I might wait and see results from people's OC on the 820 before I go with it.

Thanks for the advice. But I also really need to know if the MB and RAM I picked out would allow me to OC at all, cause I know the AMD64 and ASUS A8V I had were very picky about having good ram, and even then it was pretty minimal on that board.

Here is the stuff again:

Crucial

Asus

or does anyone have better suggestions.

Thanks again
Jonathan
 
lithium726 said:
dual core intel chips REQUIRE a 945/955 motherboard, or the NF4 boards. the 945/955's are DDR2 ONLY. im not sure about the NF4 ones. in short, you wont get a dual core chip working with DDR very easily, if it all. your only hope is that NF4 supports DDR, which i dont think it does.
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I was just about to point this out. You are correct and I don't think that NF4 Intel Edition supports DDR1 at this time.
 
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