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I'm just surprised with the Scaling to 3GHZ, it showed almost no improvement, is that a bug with the ES? or just phenom sucking? Even K8s scaled better with speed.
on the flip side, I can sell my 6420 and 680i board get a 790fx and 9600 for the same price not too bad I'd say
and Dugg
I'm still on a dualcore (E6600@3 GHz), but neither the Q6600 nor any Phenom seems to actually improve on my current performance in most applications.
At least the Q6600 should be able to overclock as far as I'm running my dualcore, but it still won't get me very far.
great wook kyle now the real question is when did amd see the problem with the b2 stepping i have read on the inq that its around a 10 week turn around time to fab a new stepping so will we be seeing a whole mess of b3 phenoms in the next 3 months?
Bloody hell.
Looks like AMD might be better off just making budget video cards and chipsets.
Spider setup w/ a C2D would be rather interesting
No wonder Hector is leaving ...because sure as all hell he was going to be given the boot after todays reviews.
Wow...just plain wow. This just rounds out the most perfect year of disappointments for me on the hardware front. Never again will I wait for another platform ever again.
I was the classic example of a die hard fan that waited and waited and waited for ATi and AMD to deliver this year and after all this time I could have traded the misery, waiting and angst for a great gaming experience if I had just bought what was best at the time.
Shame on me.
Thanks for another great review Fellas and as for Intel\Nvidia...welcome back into my happy home.
i wasn't that dissappointed with the Phenom performance. It looks to be good value for the performance and price you're getting; the highest end intel processors cost 5x as much. So while we haven't seen AMD take the performance crown back today, its good to see a strong push with a good value processor into the market.
Given that, the fact that you can combine 4x3870's and get that great AOD tool through the Spider platform, I'd say the Phenom has the edge on the Q6600 despite being similarly priced and of similar performance.
So if I were to buy a Phenom instead of a Q6600 to support AMD through their difficult times, would I be living up to my name or no?
AMD is a massive capitalist corporation, they are not your friend, they only want your moneySo if I were to buy a Phenom instead of a Q6600 to support AMD through their difficult times, would I be living up to my name or no?
Excellent read! Dugg as well.
I have a noob question, I thought I had read at some point that Phenom would work in existing AM2 boards with a bios flash. Is this still the case?
Thanks
i still don't get why ati merged with amd
i still don't get why ati merged with amd
Sure the AMD Phenom might have been disapointting, but as you said, I too would have liked to see a performance comparison between similarly priced CPUs...
Not bad at all looking at the prices they ask for the top performing Intel processors, and what they ask for any and all Intel processors over here. I'd like to return to the Intel platform that I haven't been with since the P3 age but that's simply not going to happen on a budget :/
You must not have ready the same reviews from [H] and Anand as I did...but when AMD's Phenom processors couldn't Intel's high-end offering, and are competing favorably on price alone to the midrange parts, your headline is:
It's somewhat confusing. Is being a solid midrange contender and competing on price to midrange parts...good? Or is it bad?
I can certainly understand that we were HOPING for more from AMD, but their pricing seems a pretty clear message to stop doing that, and re-adjust expectations to the midrange.
Which, really, they seem to do quite well with.
I guess the complaint is more that...
...when AMD's Radeon 3850 and 3870 couldn't touch nVidia's high-end offering, but competed very favorably on price alone to the midrange parts, your headline was:
...but when AMD's Phenom processors couldn't Intel's high-end offering, and are competing favorably on price alone to the midrange parts, your headline is:
It's somewhat confusing. Is being a solid midrange contender and competing on price to midrange parts...good? Or is it bad?
I can certainly understand that we were HOPING for more from AMD, but their pricing seems a pretty clear message to stop doing that, and re-adjust expectations to the midrange.
Which, really, they seem to do quite well with.
I guess the complaint is more that...
...when AMD's Radeon 3850 and 3870 couldn't touch nVidia's high-end offering, but competed very favorably on price alone to the midrange parts, your headline was:
...but when AMD's Phenom processors couldn't Intel's high-end offering, and are competing favorably on price alone to the midrange parts, your headline is:
It's somewhat confusing. Is being a solid midrange contender and competing on price to midrange parts...good? Or is it bad?
I can certainly understand that we were HOPING for more from AMD, but their pricing seems a pretty clear message to stop doing that, and re-adjust expectations to the midrange.
Which, really, they seem to do quite well with.
I guess the complaint is more that...
...when AMD's Radeon 3850 and 3870 couldn't touch nVidia's high-end offering, but competed very favorably on price alone to the midrange parts, your headline was:
...but when AMD's Phenom processors couldn't Intel's high-end offering, and are competing favorably on price alone to the midrange parts, your headline is:
It's somewhat confusing. Is being a solid midrange contender and competing on price to midrange parts...good? Or is it bad?
I can certainly understand that we were HOPING for more from AMD, but their pricing seems a pretty clear message to stop doing that, and re-adjust expectations to the midrange.
Which, really, they seem to do quite well with.