AMD + nVidia still > Intel + ATI?

[Dark Prodigy]

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in my opinion dude. your ignorant. beeing loyal to nvidia is ok. i mean i think i am too. but the extent to which you take it. is insane.

btw you just got owned by a 15 year old at 2 am. im going to sleep

LOL Riiiiight....
I just don't argue with kids.... get some sleep, do some homework, GRADUATE..and then come back....

 

[cuber]

oh boy cuz stock is always right right?

do i really have to go get the numbers on AMD vs intel. who is clearly pwning who and whos stock is worth more and whos got more of it? cuz i really wanna go to sleep.

Isnt it? i mean Nvidia gained 400% since Aug 04 (thats about when 6800 ultra came out)
while Ati only has 10% or less increase.

Also amd is pwning Intel on the stock market

 

[MrWizard6600]

LOL Riiiiight....

ok i suspect by the unusual ammout of "i's" in your last post that that was sarcastic typing.
but apparently you cant quote exactly what your being sarcastic about so ill explain most of it.

-im loyal to nvidia cuz i have had bad experiances with ati mainly overheating.
-you just got pwned by a 15 yr old cuz. im 15, and your argument is so retarded a fucking grade 8 whos takin 1 yr of ICT could pwn you
-beeing loyal to a company is ok because its often human nature. and i mean theres nothing harmful about it
-48 shaders is pretty damn revolutionary. it really gave ati an edge on aa and as over nvidia.

and im done.

ok look you posted something new...

you dont argue with kids. well i gotta tell ya bringing up your age to win a conversation is pretty damn kiddish. also mentioning the fact that graduating makes you a whole lot smarter in the computer area is good too. considering theres 1 computer course at most high schools and it mainly teaches php, java and html (all of which i know, btw i challenged the grd 12 ict exam and i passed with 87% does that count as a graduation in the computer feild?)

anywho. so your arguement is nvidia is better then ati. no questions asked. and im wrong because im 15.

ok and as for your sleep suggestion i think ill take it. my fingers are cold.

 

[Blacklash]

As always it depends on what you are measuring.

I love my X1900 to death and I may try a G80 with "The Great Conrolio" in the future. Particularly, if nVidia adds a more angle independent AF to couple with their 8xS AA.

 

[Rhitick]

Born 1987 my friend.

how did they hone my PC skills you ask? It motivated me to find out what a real 3d accelerator was and what I wanted in my PC.

The problem with your Intel argument is that Intel is a slacking Nv. Intel doesn't care about it's market like nVidia does. nVidia caters to us gamers and the gamers who want to game but do not have deep pockets.
ATI was never for gamers, it was intended for those bafoons who wanted to watch TV through their all in wonder and "digitally edit".

Gets me really going that ATi somehow feels like they are apart of the real gamer circle. Sure they've become "a brand to F*** with" but, I think they have no place in the gaming industry.

Wow you lost ALL credibility there. Just because someone does something different then you they are "buffons". Your a real tit. And quoting how the 5xxx series did is laughable, anyone who knows a damn thing about how things have gone know the 5xxx geforce were a joke.

The 9600xt then was the best cost/performance card on the market. I ran my ti4200 until I realized nvidia was really short on shipping something decent. Plus the whole driver optimization thing turned me off them for a bit. The 5800 was a terrible card, sorry.

Nvidia had the crown with the 6xxx series and 7800s. And they lost the high end crown to ATI....dang. I upgraded my 2 6600gts to the x1900xt and I havent looked back. I've compared it to a friends 7800gtx and I smoke him in every benchmark.

There is no "AMD + Nvidia" thing...don't see why people put this together. It's kinda lame, people do what they do and like what they like. They arent "buffons" for doing something different with their PCs, if anything they are smarter about their computers then you are.

Yes I edit, yes I game, overclock, watch TV, burn DVDs etc.

It doesn't make me a buffon, I just use it to as full of a potential as I can.

And no I didn't take intel for the sake of encoding, it's not a huge deal for me since I walk away from the computer while it's doing it. I took AMD because it games better, I took ATI this round because it games better.

Go back to bed kid.

 

[FaRKle0079]

Isn't ATI Crossfire copying old nVidia tech?

I'm pretty sure Dual GPU's has been around a lot longer than SLI/Xfire... I seem to remember reading how ATI provided them for the professional market.

The problem with your Intel argument is that Intel is a slacking Nv. Intel doesn't care about it's market like nVidia does. nVidia caters to us gamers and the gamers who want to game but do not have deep pockets.
ATI was never for gamers, it was intended for those bafoons who wanted to watch TV through their all in wonder and "digitally edit".

Gets me really going that ATi somehow feels like they are apart of the real gamer circle. Sure they've become "a brand to F*** with" but, I think they have no place in the gaming industry.

We continually talk about laissez faire economics and how this "drives prices down, and lets the gamer choose" and I DO thank ATI for that, HOWEVER the xbox360 excuse isn't enough. Then we can give Nvidia a free pass in 2001 for the "xbox" launch, but we didn't because guess why? Ah yes, now I remember the Geforce 4 was dominating the benchmarks.

What I'm saying is, man. That don't give the "xbox 360" excuse to ATi because they don't deserve it, nVidia hasn't needed to release 2 different cards with 2 different standings in benchmarks (One not evne near the peak, the other at the top). Nvidia didn't do that when they released the 5900 ultra (which parred with the 9800) so I mean that was either a bad move at the start not hard launching, or a bad move releasing something they could compare to current competition and beat.

Intel not caring bout their market share eh... well what about their STOCK HOLDERS... Remember Intel is a publicly traded company which means they are run by the stock holders...

Where's your proof to back up that nV caters to gamers that don't have deep pockets? My first true gaming card was a Radeon 7500LE because the NV stuff was too expensive...

I watch TV on my computer sure, but I don't use an AIW, I use a Hauppauge.

Obviously if ATI cards score the same or better than their nV equivalents they are "part of the gamer circle." Otherwise you're just saying how nV sucks at everything else while ATI can watch TV, encode, ect, as well as keep up or beat nV cards.

Yes we can give nV some slack for the 5800U.

The NV30 project had been delayed for three key reasons. One was because NVIDIA decided to produce an optimized version of the GeForce 3 (NV 20) which resulted in the GeForce 4 Ti (NV 25), while ATI cancelled its competing optimized chip (R250) and opted instead to focus on the Radeon 9700. The other reason was NVIDIA's commitment with Microsoft, to deliver the Xbox console's graphics processor (NV2A). The Xbox venture diverted most of NVIDIA's engineers over not only the NV2A's initial design-cycle but also during the mid-life product revisions needed to discourage hackers.

So as you can see, both companies flagship cards were delayed because of their console projects. So my point stands valid. The 9700 didnt come out till Aug. 2002, and the 5800 didnt come out til feb. of 2003. And the Xbox was released (2001) and the fX5950 didn't come out till 2005...

So as you can see the margin of time between the 9700 and 5800 compared to the 7800 and the X1800 are the same, 5 months. The difference? The X1800 bested the 7800 series, but the 5800 couldn't hold it's own against the 9700. Not to mention the extremely poor PS2.0 performance...

And niether ATI nor NV admitted that the delays were caused by their special projects, but we as a community know that.

 

[TurboGLH]

LOL external cables... that's simply asinine. Its something called concept and correlation. Of course they can't be exactly the same simply because todays technology is different. It simply means nVidia owns the 'pioneering' rights to the original 2 card video solution when games were starting to become 'true 3D' (i.e.. Quake 2..the original Half-Life) and more 3D rendering power was desirable.

This could also mean since nVidia did not revisit this setup.. and they developed something better ..SLI... that nVidia can be heralded as true visionaries. Not simply revamping older technology...Ati CrossFire.

The use of an external cable does not mean that crossfire shares any of the key aspects with 3dfx sli. In fact, the use of an external cable is the only common aspect. I fail to see how Nvidia's use of an internal connector makes them visionary, while ati's use of a cable makes their tech nothing more than a revamp.

Let's dig into your arguement further. 3dfx SLI = Scan Line Interleave, in that setup the load was simply split between the two cards evenly, one card getting even lines, one card getting odd lines. That was the one and only way it was done.

SLI/Crossfire have implemented new methods of work load sharing that perform faster/better and also allow for implementation of AA in some modes with little performance hit.

You've basicly discounted the advances made, and simply gone by the type of bridge used. A very narrow and ignorant way of viewing the topic.

This board does fine without !!!!!'s like yourself, so please learn the facts before posting or don't do so at all.

Edit: Extra info added

 

[McCartney]

I'm pretty sure Dual GPU's has been around a lot longer than SLI/Xfire... I seem to remember reading how ATI provided them for the professional market.



Intel not caring bout their market share eh... well what about their STOCK HOLDERS... Remember Intel is a publicly traded company which means they are run by the stock holders...

Where's your proof to back up that nV caters to gamers that don't have deep pockets? My first true gaming card was a Radeon 7500LE because the NV stuff was too expensive...

I watch TV on my computer sure, but I don't use an AIW, I use a Hauppauge.

Obviously if ATI cards score the same or better than their nV equivalents they are "part of the gamer circle." Otherwise you're just saying how nV sucks at everything else while ATI can watch TV, encode, ect, as well as keep up or beat nV cards.

Yes we can give nV some slack for the 5800U.
So as you can see, both companies flagship cards were delayed because of their console projects. So my point stands valid. The 9700 didnt come out till Aug. 2002, and the 5800 didnt come out til feb. of 2003. And the Xbox was released (2001) and the fX5950 didn't come out till 2005...

So as you can see the margin of time between the 9700 and 5800 compared to the 7800 and the X1800 are the same, 5 months. The difference? The X1800 bested the 7800 series, but the 5800 couldn't hold it's own against the 9700. Not to mention the extremely poor PS2.0 performance...

And niether ATI nor NV admitted that the delays were caused by their special projects, but we as a community know that.

Fine with me. Sorry about hte dates, I stand corrected on that.

About idiots saying "x1900xt is gawd and smokes things in sli" well that is a stupid comment, and you should shut up and go crawl back in your hole. I don't care if you "haven't looked back", what the hell is this? A Bryan Adams song? Shut up boy.''

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rendering GPU

and honistly who gives a damn? if ati can get you more performance then sli via dongle cable... who cares if its old technology. it works!

and nvidia is king of pioneering huh. how bout those 48 shader units. pretty new huh. no one had done it before huh. might even call it new, or wait discovering.. him whats a good word to discribe that...

dude you cant honistly belive that one graphics company is better then the other. like. there so neck and neck. and they constantly leap frog eachother. like i think its loud. i think it takes to much power. but holy crap the X1900XTX is a omgwtfpwnzorz gfx card. if you have one of those monstors you can run any game out there at insane resolutions with amazing aa and as.

in my opinion dude. your ignorant. beeing loyal to nvidia is ok. i mean i think i am too. but the extent to which you take it. is insane.

btw you just got owned by a 15 year old at 2 am. im going to sleep

You sir, MrWizard6600 are an idiot for 2 reasons. Speaking "ebonics' doesn't get you "e-cred" in intelligent computing forums, go crawl back in your hole with your "48 pixel shader units" argument, it's moot. The 7900 has what, 24 and it still wins? what's up now "Huh?" "huh?" that's what I thought. Kids like you piss me off, show some respect noob. You can't evne spell and you're demanding some sort of "cool credits". Stop trolling to get your "Limp Gawd" status to make everyone think you're intelligent because you're not.

If you KNEW ANYTHING about Crossfire the External DVI Dongle poses as the worst dual link solution ever hence the intergration in some newer boards(look at the sapphire idiot).

Also 10 000 3dmark 06 in 1280x1024 in Crossfire is impossible, I'd like to see this please, it doesn't exist so be quiet and stop trolling "Huh".

Wow you lost ALL credibility there. Just because someone does something different then you they are "buffons". Your a real tit. And quoting how the 5xxx series did is laughable, anyone who knows a damn thing about how things have gone know the 5xxx geforce were a joke.

The 9600xt then was the best cost/performance card on the market. I ran my ti4200 until I realized nvidia was really short on shipping something decent. Plus the whole driver optimization thing turned me off them for a bit. The 5800 was a terrible card, sorry.

Nvidia had the crown with the 6xxx series and 7800s. And they lost the high end crown to ATI....dang. I upgraded my 2 6600gts to the x1900xt and I havent looked back. I've compared it to a friends 7800gtx and I smoke him in every benchmark.

There is no "AMD + Nvidia" thing...don't see why people put this together. It's kinda lame, people do what they do and like what they like. They arent "buffons" for doing something different with their PCs, if anything they are smarter about their computers then you are.

Yes I edit, yes I game, overclock, watch TV, burn DVDs etc.

It doesn't make me a buffon, I just use it to as full of a potential as I can.

And no I didn't take intel for the sake of encoding, it's not a huge deal for me since I walk away from the computer while it's doing it. I took AMD because it games better, I took ATI this round because it games better.

Go back to bed kid.

ROFLMAO! Lol! Do you want some sort of credit for upgrading 2 crappy 6600 gts? I'd kick them out of your motherboard PCI-E ports without taking them out to shatte rthem. of course you're x1900xt is going to beat a 7800 256 gtx, it's 8 months newer you damn bafoon! Now if you compare a 7800 512 GTX or a 7900 512 GTX, the latter wins and the previous puts up a DAMN GOOD FIGHT. Read benchmarks.

"go back to bed boy". How the hell is ATI better for gaming than Nvidia? The aggressively priced 7900 gtx 512 is selling MUCH BETTER than the x1900xt and same with the 7900gt, your argument is moot because alot of other people think otherwise, There is no "Round"

Also MrWizard6600, you suck at spelling horribly. Stop trolling forums when you should be learning english, I now know what you do at home and school instead of studying, you like to pretend you know what you're talking about.

ok i suspect by the unusual ammout of "i's" in your last post that that was sarcastic typing.
but apparently you cant quote exactly what your being sarcastic about so ill explain most of it.

-im loyal to nvidia cuz i have had bad experiances with ati mainly overheating.
-you just got pwned by a 15 yr old cuz. im 15, and your argument is so retarded a fucking grade 8 whos takin 1 yr of ICT could pwn you
-beeing loyal to a company is ok because its often human nature. and i mean theres nothing harmful about it
-48 shaders is pretty damn revolutionary. it really gave ati an edge on aa and as over nvidia.

and im done.

ok look you posted something new...

you dont argue with kids. well i gotta tell ya bringing up your age to win a conversation is pretty damn kiddish. also mentioning the fact that graduating makes you a whole lot smarter in the computer area is good too. considering theres 1 computer course at most high schools and it mainly teaches php, java and html (all of which i know, btw i challenged the grd 12 ict exam and i passed with 87% does that count as a graduation in the computer feild?)

anywho. so your arguement is nvidia is better then ati. no questions asked. and im wrong because im 15.

ok and as for your sleep suggestion i think ill take it. my fingers are cold.

First of all you can't spell "being" properly, that's twice in 2 posts. You can't spell "field", instead you cannot even master the i before e concept can you. Don't give me your "coding" crap since you can't even spell basic words let alone arguments in code. Oh wait you spelt arguments wrong too, you put in a e.
You cannot even spell amount. Stop bashing other people learn how to spell and quit being an "e-gangster", we've all laughed at your comments.

 

[Bona Fide]

*Yawn*

AMD and ATI here. Prior to the X1800XT was a 7800GT.

A message to all the brand loyalists: You cannot win. Every time one manufacturer comes out with a better technology, its nearest competitor comes out with something better. This is a perpetual tug-of-war, with no theoretical end. Brand loyalty will not garner you any real-world benefit. Sure, you can brag about it [on a hardware forum, at that], but that's only when your manufacturer is performing better. As soon as its competitor takes the lead, you will be the butt of all jokes until your beloved manufacturer comes out with the next big thing. And so on, and so forth. People like me, the ones that buy based on individual merit, are the ones that benefit, because we get the best of both worlds and also manage to steer clear of any insipid loyalist remarks.

 

[MrWizard6600]

k so your whole argument now is that I’m wrong cuz I have bad spelling? Why don’t you go prove me wrong, instead of simply being so ignorant it hurts?

And there are people out there getting 10 grand with two X1900XTs in Crossfire, with a little over-clocking that is.

 

[MrWizard6600]

*Yawn*

AMD and ATI here. Prior to the X1800XT was a 7800GT.

A message to all the brand loyalists: You cannot win. Every time one manufacturer comes out with a better technology, its nearest competitor comes out with something better. This is a perpetual tug-of-war, with no theoretical end. Brand loyalty will not garner you any real-world benefit. Sure, you can brag about it [on a hardware forum, at that], but that's only when your manufacturer is performing better. As soon as its competitor takes the lead, you will be the butt of all jokes until your beloved manufacturer comes out with the next big thing. And so on, and so forth. People like me, the ones that buy based on individual merit, are the ones that benefit, because we get the best of both worlds and also manage to steer clear of any insipid loyalist remarks.

you sir are my hero

 

[ClearM4]

Why was this thread not locked 2 pages ago........

 

[MrWizard6600]

yea good point

 

[FaRKle0079]

About idiots saying "x1900xt is gawd and smokes things in sli" well that is a stupid comment, and you should shut up and go crawl back in your hole. I don't care if you "haven't looked back", what the hell is this? A Bryan Adams song? Shut up boy.''

You sir, MrWizard6600 are an idiot for 2 reasons. Speaking "ebonics' doesn't get you "e-cred" in intelligent computing forums, go crawl back in your hole with your "48 pixel shader units" argument, it's moot. The 7900 has what, 24 and it still wins? what's up now "Huh?" "huh?" that's what I thought. Kids like you piss me off, show some respect noob. You can't evne spell and you're demanding some sort of "cool credits". Stop trolling to get your "Limp Gawd" status to make everyone think you're intelligent because you're not.

If you KNEW ANYTHING about Crossfire the External DVI Dongle poses as the worst dual link solution ever hence the intergration in some newer boards(look at the sapphire idiot).

Also 10 000 3dmark 06 in 1280x1024 in Crossfire is impossible, I'd like to see this please, it doesn't exist so be quiet and stop trolling "Huh".


ROFLMAO! Lol! Do you want some sort of credit for upgrading 2 crappy 6600 gts? I'd kick them out of your motherboard PCI-E ports without taking them out to shatte rthem. of course you're x1900xt is going to beat a 7800 256 gtx, it's 8 months newer you damn bafoon! Now if you compare a 7800 512 GTX or a 7900 512 GTX, the latter wins and the previous puts up a DAMN GOOD FIGHT. Read benchmarks.

"go back to bed boy". How the hell is ATI better for gaming than Nvidia? The aggressively priced 7900 gtx 512 is selling MUCH BETTER than the x1900xt and same with the 7900gt, your argument is moot because alot of other people think otherwise, There is no "Round"

Also MrWizard6600, you suck at spelling horribly. Stop trolling forums when you should be learning english, I now know what you do at home and school instead of studying, you like to pretend you know what you're talking about.

First of all you can't spell "being" properly, that's twice in 2 posts. You can't spell "field", instead you cannot even master the i before e concept can you. Don't give me your "coding" crap since you can't even spell basic words let alone arguments in code. Oh wait you spelt arguments wrong too, you put in a e.
You cannot even spell amount. Stop bashing other people learn how to spell and quit being an "e-gangster", we've all laughed at your comments.

I have just cut and pasted not one but THREE blatant attacks against Mr.Wizard6600. THIS IS A TECH FORUM! Gagan you are the one trolling here, calling people idiots, bafoons, ect. If you're going to spread FUD then you better be able to back it up with TECHNICAL FACTS. Notice how in my posts I don't say you're an idiot, bafoon, ect, yet I back up my claims with FACTS taken from other sources.

Also stop acting like you know everything and you're better than everyone. To me, this attitude of yours is what gives us minors (under 21) a bad rep. Please don't tarnish all of our reputations.

Keep your trolling to PM's.

You sir, MrWizard6600 are an idiot for 2 reasons. Speaking "ebonics' doesn't get you "e-cred" in intelligent computing forums, go crawl back in your hole with your "48 pixel shader units" argument, it's moot. The 7900 has what, 24 and it still wins? what's up now "Huh?" "huh?" that's what I thought. Kids like you piss me off, show some respect noob. You can't evne spell and you're demanding some sort of "cool credits". Stop trolling to get your "Limp Gawd" status to make everyone think you're intelligent because you're not.

Check your facts, the 7900 series has 48 ALU's (24x2), same as the X1900 (16x3)... The 7900 has 24 hard pipes, while the X1900 has 16. The X1900's pixel processors are a bit more powerful than the 7900's though, which results in better shader power.

If you KNEW ANYTHING about Crossfire the External DVI Dongle poses as the worst dual link solution ever hence the intergration in some newer boards(look at the sapphire idiot).

Once again, a rant without facts. Educate us on how technically an external DVI dongle is the absolute worst solution? I don't mind using a dongle, especially with allthe cords I have in the back of my PC anyways. (why don't you criticize Hauppage as well on them making you have to use an external sound IC between their card and your sound card as well?)

 

[Lethal]

If you can't play nice, then you'll be next to get the banhammer.