AMD + nVidia still > Intel + ATI?

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There somewhat seems to be a changing of the guard here...

AMD has kicked intels butt for about 2 years now....you couldn't find an ATI card in a seriously high end system for the past year or better...

Intel Conroe + X1900XTX > AMD FX-60 + nVidia 7900GTX... ??

tell me this isn't happening....*grits teeth and clenches fists*
 
WTF are you talking about??

AMD has kicked intels butt for about 2 years now....
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ok.. agreeable.

you couldn't find an ATI card in a seriously high end system for the past year or better...
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This is where you lost me... there are plenty of highend cpus in the last year that had ati in them.. last year the two powerhouses were the x850xtpe and 6800ultra.. the xtpe was unarguably faster. Nvidia came out with the 7800gtx and ati answered with the 1800xt.. 1900xt get juked by the 7900 and ati will come out with another and nivida will come out with another..

its been like this for a LONG time. The only stagnant time that I can think of was when ATI had the 9xxx series and Nvidia was running their Gforce 4 cards... Ati had the upper hand there because nvidia couldnt keep up with ATI's price to speed ratio.. Now nvidia is doing that to ati by offering more power for less money... Its a back and forth battle.. so go ahead and clench your fists and grind your teeth down to your bleeding fa nboy gums.. I will stick with whatever company gives me the most value for my buck.. if its ati, then I will buy an ati.. if nvidia offers more for my dollar.. I will get an nvidia card..
 
to my knowledge you can still place a 7900gtx on an intel board, mix and match to ure liking... xfire works with amd and intel, and so does SLi


...surely nvidia will release an updated nforce intel that will support sli...

edit: spelling fix
 
In essence it doesn't *shrugs* .... The consumer always wins. Its just that some people are loyalists (unlike yourself it seems)..and was simply interested in thoughts on the possibly new 'power match'...



(all that without the cursing) ;)
 
Whoa, don't I feel different. AMD + ATI here. I don't give a flying rats ass what brand it is, as long as its the fastest and offers the best features for the amount of money i'm willing to spend.
 
I guess he wasnt paying attention when..

AMD XP + Ati 9700/9800 series was the king of kings, and probablly one of the biggest combinations ever
 
Ask again when Conroe comes out. By then there should be some new video cards and AMD CPUs to compare.
 
company combos are the devil, its !!!!!!ism at it's greatest. NO WAY MAN ATI + AMD DUDE I SAW YESTERDAY THEY WERE TOTALLY IN BED IT WAS HOT.
 
Shadow27 said:
Whoa, don't I feel different. AMD + ATI here. I don't give a flying rats ass what brand it is, as long as its the fastest and offers the best features for the amount of money i'm willing to spend.
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Intel+nVidia here.

Conclusion: brand loyalty and company parnerships mean nothing compared to the needs of individual users.
 
lloose said:
WTF are you talking about??


ok.. agreeable.



This is where you lost me... there are plenty of highend cpus in the last year that had ati in them.. last year the two powerhouses were the x850xtpe and 6800ultra.. the xtpe was unarguably faster. Nvidia came out with the 7800gtx and ati answered with the 1800xt.. 1900xt get juked by the 7900 and ati will come out with another and nivida will come out with another..

its been like this for a LONG time. The only stagnant time that I can think of was when ATI had the 9xxx series and Nvidia was running their Gforce 4 cards... Ati had the upper hand there because nvidia couldnt keep up with ATI's price to speed ratio.. Now nvidia is doing that to ati by offering more power for less money... Its a back and forth battle.. so go ahead and clench your fists and grind your teeth down to your bleeding fa nboy gums.. I will stick with whatever company gives me the most value for my buck.. if its ati, then I will buy an ati.. if nvidia offers more for my dollar.. I will get an nvidia card..
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Hold on Fella, HOLD ON!
7800 GTX was out what, 1 year from this May? Where was ATi's answer?

There was none, infact they whistled along and waited what, 6 months and didn't even hard launch their flopping sales?
What happened then? Well the Card beat the 7800 gtx 256 yes it did, no doubt about it. But by how much, not 6 months wait worth much.

nVidia answered with the elusive 7800 gtx 512, which BEAT the x1800xt 512.

ATi, realizing how sad this is, recouped what theycould with a hard launch approximately one month later with the x1900xt(Kudos to them) to reclaim the crown.

nVidia simply REVAMPED an almost-year-old chipset and made the 7900, which is equal on MOST Levels with the x1900xt.

Right now, I agree the x1900xt is king. Will it be for a while? I highly doubt they will pump out a new architecture after the revered "rd580". Infact, I think with G80 ATI's first dig of their grave will begin.

yes you can call me an nVidiot, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying that ATi basically shot themselves in the foot with a horrible x1800xt launch, and now that the 7900 is out it is selling INCREDIBLY Well (barely in stock and PRICE GOUGING! Who would have thought for a 7900!).

Now lets also put into perspective the rehash is over this May when G80 comes out. But before that does QUAD SLI will be announced for us consumers this 22nd.

Ingenius marketing goes to Nvidia, Good to see that ATi is hanging in there but I wonder for how long
 
lloose said:
WTF are you talking about??


This is where you lost me... there are plenty of highend cpus in the last year that had ati in them.. last year the two powerhouses were the x850xtpe and 6800ultra.. the xtpe was unarguably faster. Nvidia came out with the 7800gtx and ati answered with the 1800xt.. 1900xt get juked by the 7900 and ati will come out with another and nivida will come out with another..

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"Up until now, nVidia has maintained a very exclusive strangled hold on the performance market. No matter what ATI threw out, nVidia could take two of its best cards and dance circles around it performance wise. The Geforce 6800 ruled its era, and the 7800 GTX similarly defined speed for the better part of a year. Even nVidia's 'little brother' cards, the GeForce 6800 GT and 7800 GT, combined to crush ATI flagships."

CPU Magazine, March 2006, Vol.6, Iss.03, pg. 20
 
Gagan said:
Hold on Fella, HOLD ON!
7800 GTX was out what, 1 year from this May? Where was ATi's answer?

There was none, infact they whistled along and waited what, 6 months and didn't even hard launch their flopping sales?
What happened then? Well the Card beat the 7800 gtx 256 yes it did, no doubt about it. But by how much, not 6 months wait worth much.

nVidia answered with the elusive 7800 gtx 512, which BEAT the x1800xt 512.

ATi, realizing how sad this is, recouped what theycould with a hard launch approximately one month later with the x1900xt(Kudos to them) to reclaim the crown.

nVidia simply REVAMPED an almost-year-old chipset and made the 7900, which is equal on MOST Levels with the x1900xt.

Right now, I agree the x1900xt is king. Will it be for a while? I highly doubt they will pump out a new architecture after the revered "rd580". Infact, I think with G80 ATI's first dig of their grave will begin.

yes you can call me an nVidiot, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying that ATi basically shot themselves in the foot with a horrible x1800xt launch, and now that the 7900 is out it is selling INCREDIBLY Well (barely in stock and PRICE GOUGING! Who would have thought for a 7900!).

Now lets also put into perspective the rehash is over this May when G80 comes out. But before that does QUAD SLI will be announced for us consumers this 22nd.

Ingenius marketing goes to Nvidia, Good to see that ATi is hanging in there but I wonder for how long
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It seems like you have very strong opinion about the matter and yes you are a big Nvidiot, which I think will hurt you in the long run. You should always get the best product and not stare at the logos.

At current games both are about equally as fast. Now Oblivion and future pixel shader heavy games can change that in favour of ATIs architechture, but we don´t know that just yet. You may want to defend your "older" Nvidia architechture but the fact is that ATI is currently very much king of the IQ department while having equal performance. Now you think hard, what do you really want from a card. But we already know, no matter what the competition throws in your going for you favorite brand, I told you it will hurt you.

You seem to forget that not long time ago Nvidia shot themselfs in the foot with 5800 series, did they die and go away? Intel has been making slower processors for atleast a year now, have they died and gone away? ATI has been in graphics business longer then Nvidia and have other sources of income than high end GPU:s (integrated graphics, TV chips etc). So you see no matter how you put it none of these players are going anywhere and they will keep punching each other to the far future. Who cares which one is currently the top dog, it will change in the next 6 months anyway.
 
sam0t said:
It seems like you have very strong opinion about the matter and yes you are a big Nvidiot, which I think will hurt you in the long run. You should always get the best product and not stare at the logos.

At current games both are about equally as fast. Now Oblivion and future pixel shader heavy games can change that in favour of ATIs architechture, but we don´t know that just yet. You may want to defend your "older" Nvidia architechture but the fact is that ATI is currently very much king of the IQ department while having equal performance. Now you think hard, what do you really want from a card. But we already know, no matter what the competition throws in your going for you favorite brand, I told you it will hurt you.

You seem to forget that not long time ago Nvidia shot themselfs in the foot with 5800 series, did they die and go away? Intel has been making slower processors for atleast a year now, have they died and gone away? ATI has been in graphics business longer then Nvidia and have other sources of income than high end GPU:s (integrated graphics, TV chips etc). So you see no matter how you put it none of these players are going anywhere and they will keep punching each other to the far future. Who cares which one is currently the top dog, it will change in the next 6 months anyway.
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I admire a 13 year old trying to outstage me. But lets get some facts REALLY clear here OK?
1. I initially had a DFI Lanparty UT rd580 with an x1800xt(single) and I did NOT LIKE IT. It didn't run games how I wanted them to run on my 2560x1600 display. so i SOLD BOTH.
2. I obtained an A8NSLI32 With 7800 512 GTX'S In SLI (Protect my investment?)which costed about a leg EACH.
3. I have been disappointed with SLI performance AS WELL on a 2560x1600,it's not good enough at all.

About your Image quality theory:
1. About everyone says that the Image quality between both cards is negligible, they're EQUAL. Not MANY People can tell the difference, so stop right there okay.

About the 5800 and "shot themselves in the foot":
1. My friend, the 5800ultra was unparalleled. It was too ahead of its time, to compare it to the technology of the 9700 pro would make me go into a hysteric fit. Stop man, seriously. I had 9700 at the time when the 5800 ultra was too expensive. Also do you remember how
futuremark said nvidia was "cheating" with their 2d drawing? That actually was not a cheat and those were "True" benchmarks that showed the raw performance of the "dual" slot mammoth.
2. nVidia gave us what we have today. nVidia was the one that really led the forefront of agp gaming with the GeForce 256. Then the Geforce 2, then the Geforce 3 ti200/500, then the Geforce 4 Ti4200(overclocking mammoth)/ti4400/ti4600 and the Geforce FX 5(The ownsauce). What was ATI doing up until the 9700? I will tell you what they were doing, Making 32/64 rage 3d cards or all in wonder tv tuner cards with horrible "multimedia programs".

How do I KNOW all this? Simple.

You sound very young, I will say 13. I was about 9 when I was first exposed to the computer so that was back in 1997 May(Turned 10 in october). My very first Pc was a P 200 S3 Virge with 32mb Edo ram. I had no idea what computers were all about until I pushed myself to learn and eventually built my first PC in winter of 1999 or January 2000 with my GeForce 256, Slot 1 P2 400, 128mb PC133 SDRAM and 40GB Maxtor Diamondmax 5400 RPM hard drive.

I was right there when the gaming forefront came out with a splash. I was there when the Voodoo 3 PCI and AGP cards were released for computer, reading about them in magazines in awe of the box (the chick with the headphones and the different colors for different versions, green for agp and yellow for pci I THINK).

I will be loyal to a brand that basically honed my skills and pushed me to learn aboutcomputers. I will be loyal to brands that continually supported me when it was time to "upgrade the ol rig". I regret having an athlon x2 4800+ and I wish I could find an Extreme 955 in Canada but it's next to impossible.

Yes I will admit x1900xt has better AA capabilities when "eye candy" is turned up,but one thing I will not say is that ATI is the better brand, because they are not. I stand loyal to the brand that pushed after 3dfx failed with the voodoo 5000
 
Wow....Gagan. Firstly the image quality difference is noticeable. Secondly, the 5800 should NEVER be compared to the 9700, the 5800 was a dog of a card. The 5800 too ahead of its time? What about the 9700's direct x9 performance?

You sound very ignorant.
 
Gushing forth about your disposable wealth and condemning someone else on the basis of their age is hardly a way to conduct conversation, or to make your comments ones which are valued by those reading them ;)


Brand loyalty can be a sensible approach. You get used to the way a company's products operate, and learn to use them with ease. But take that a step further into !!!!!!sm and it's just plain silly. To claim that a product is "king" on the basis of brand alone is downright nonsensical. If it's a performance race the lead wavers and changes hands at a rapid rate. No denying that unless you have your eyes shut and your hands over your ears. If it's a combination of components then, again, it's whatever combination has its nose ahead at a particular point in time.

nVidia gave us what we have today.
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That's a debateable point. It could equally well be argued that the technolocial advances provided in some of the earlier ATi cards in particular gave the industry a much needed wakeup call! Nvidia, at the time, were focuused on 'make it a bit faster next time, add another feature next time', and then ATi came along with the idea that what we were actually currently doing could be made to LOOK better than it currently did.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not an ATi !!!!!! jumping in to argue. I'm simply someone wanting to inject a bit of reality. I've used Nvidia cards in all my recents systems. It's been a matter of the timing of my purchases and the combination of brand loyalty and what was currently available in my price bracket at the time of purchase. That's the only way to choose, really. It's not a matter of "this brand" versus "that brand" when it come to choosing your combination of processor and display card. Any card will work just as well no matter what processor brand you use. It's simply a matter of how capable the display card is and how well the processor's capability matches up with it.


Am I 13? Nope. I was around when CGA was the 'next big thing!' ;)
 
Catweazle said:
Gushing forth about your disposable wealth and condemning someone else on the basis of their age is hardly a way to conduct conversation, or to make your comments ones which are valued by those reading them ;)


Brand loyalty can be a sensible approach. You get used to the way a company's products operate, and learn to use them with ease. But take that a step further into !!!!!!sm and it's just plain silly. To claim that a product is "king" on the basis of brand alone is downright nonsensical. If it's a performance race the lead wavers and changes hands at a rapid rate. No denying that unless you have your eyes shut and your hands over your ears. If it's a combination of components then, again, it's whatever combination has its nose ahead at a particular point in time.


That's a debateable point. It could equally well be argued that the technolocial advances provided in some of the earlier ATi cards in particular gave the industry a much needed wakeup call! Nvidia, at the time, were focuused on 'make it a bit faster next time, add another feature next time', and then ATi came along with the idea that what we were actually currently doing could be made to LOOK better than it currently did.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not an ATi !!!!!! jumping in to argue. I'm simply someone wanting to inject a bit of reality. I've used Nvidia cards in all my recents systems. It's been a matter of the timing of my purchases and the combination of brand loyalty and what was currently available in my price bracket at the time of purchase. That's the only way to choose, really. It's not a matter of "this brand" versus "that brand" when it come to choosing your combination of processor and display card. Any card will work just as well no matter what processor brand you use. It's simply a matter of how capable the display card is and how well the processor's capability matches up with it.


Am I 13? Nope. I was around when CGA was the 'next big thing!' ;)
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Valuble response and I appreciate your comments. Yes the 9700 for sure woke nvidia up no doubt about that.

Dog of a card the 5800 ultra was due to Futuremark (thx guys!) demanding recoded drivers calling them cheats. But to say ARCHITECTURE-WISE that hte 9700 was superior is PLAIN STUPID

To say that Ati x1900xt and 7900 GTX IQ's is significant is a lie. I would like to see a few threads, I see "slightly better" sometimes but usually people sya they can't tell the difference. I think you are using the shimmer-conspiracy which holds true and shimmer wise yes that does happen more frequently on Nvidia's but it still does permeate on the ATi's
 
I admire a 13 year old trying to outstage me. But lets get some facts REALLY clear here OK?
About my money situation:
1. I initially had a DFI Lanparty UT rd580(most expensive board at the time) with an x1800xt(single) and I did NOT LIKE IT. It didn't run games how I wanted them to run on my 2560x1600 display. so i SOLD BOTH.
2. I obtained an A8NSLI32 With 7800 512 GTX'S In SLI (Protect my investment? Man I have so much talent from The man Upstairs that he allowed me to have what I want!) which costed about a leg EACH.
3. I have been disappointed with SLI performance AS WELL on a 2560x1600,it's not good enough at all.

About your Image quality theory:
1. About everyone says that the Image quality between both cards is negligible, they're EQUAL. Not MANY People can tell the difference, so stop right there okay.

About the 5800 and "shot themselves in the foot":
1. My friend, the 5800ultra was unparalleled. It was too ahead of its time, to compare it to the technology of the 9700 pro would make me go into a hysteric fit. Stop man, seriously. I had 9700 at the time when the 5800 ultra was too expensive. Also do you remember how
futuremark said nvidia was "cheating" with their 2d drawing? That actually was not a cheat and those were "True" benchmarks that showed the raw performance of the "dual" slot mammoth.
2. nVidia gave us what we have today. nVidia was the one that really led the forefront of agp gaming with the GeForce 256. Then the Geforce 2, then the Geforce 3 ti200/500, then the Geforce 4 Ti4200(overclocking mammoth)/ti4400/ti4600 and the Geforce FX 5(The ownsauce). What was ATI doing up until the 9700? I will tell you what they were doing, Making 32/64 rage 3d cards or all in wonder tv tuner cards with horrible "multimedia programs".

How do I KNOW all this? Simple.

You sound very young, I will say 13. I was about 9 when I was first exposed to the computer so that was back in 1997 May(Turned 10 in october). My very first Pc was a P 200 S3 Virge with 32mb Edo ram. I had no idea what computers were all about until I pushed myself to learn and eventually built my first PC in winter of 1999 or January 2000 with my GeForce 256, Slot 1 P2 400, 128mb PC133 SDRAM and 40GB Maxtor Diamondmax 5400 RPM hard drive.

I was right there when the gaming forefront came out with a splash. I was there when the Voodoo 3 PCI and AGP cards were released for computer, reading about them in magazines in awe of the box (the chick with the headphones and the different colors for different versions, green for agp and yellow for pci I THINK).

I will be loyal to a brand that basically honed my skills and pushed me to learn aboutcomputers. I will be loyal to brands that continually supported me when it was time to "upgrade the ol rig". I regret having an athlon x2 4800+ and I wish I could find an Extreme 955 in Canada but it's next to impossible.

Yes I will admit x1900xt has better AA capabilities when "eye candy" is turned up,but one thing I will not say is that ATI is the better brand, because they are not. I stand loyal to the brand that pushed after 3dfx failed with the voodoo 5000
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Flametard...

What does your "money situation" have to do with this at all? Nobody asked for it... unelss you're just trying to flaunt your wealth. Also most of those facts you listed... those are OPINIONS.

It's also funny how you knew exactly what ATI was doing when NV released the GeForce series... wait, I thought you were only 9yrs old and didn't know much about computers...

Sorry but unless you're 21, you too are also "very young." (heck a lot of adults consider under 30 to be young...)Damn, I'm ashamed, you make us minors look really bad.

Please elaborate how Intel and nVidia "supported you" individually when you needed to upgrade. Are you getting free parts? Well then of course we can see your brand loyalty, they bought you out! lol And just how did these particular brands "hone your PC skills?" You honed your own skills with the hardware you chose.

Now of course ATI isn't the better brand. And of course nVidia isn't either! Everyone knows the best brand is XGI! (jk) That's a very subjective term, and while you might not want to say ATI is the better brand, ATI might be the better brand for someone else.

It appears to me (and this is an OPINION), you purchased the DFI RD480 and the X1800XT knowing you wouldn't like it, and just so you could nitpick at it and complain.

ATI in no ways has, "shot themselves in the foot." Just look at all the XBox 360's flying around the globe and selling almost as fast as they come in. Let's not forget that the XBox 360 project was a very important program for ATI and they diverted many of their resources to developing that. And as Sam0t said, take a look at Intel. They havent come up with anything revolutionary in the recent past, and they've been losing market share to AMD as well, but they're still alive and going along. There's also much anticipation for their new chips coming out and they may best what AMD has to offer. Likewise, ATI can turn around a product that bests NV's offerings as well.

Personally I think the current offerings from ATI do look nicer ingame, and are more attractive to the high end buyer. If you like NV, then by all means go buy NV, nobody is stopping you from spending your money. But don't try and spew out "facts" that haven't been taken by a large survey. While one's input is valuable, every experience can be different and you need a collection of these experiences to get the general overview. Just beacuse my Toyota broke down doesn't mean Toyotas are crap as a whole...
 
Got this CPU and motherboard free, so I ain't complainig. And the x850xt is much better for the price than the 6800gs, so that wins out too.
 
FaRKle0079 said:
Flametard...

What does your "money situation" have to do with this at all? Nobody asked for it... unelss you're just trying to flaunt your wealth. Also most of those facts you listed... those are OPINIONS.

It's also funny how you knew exactly what ATI was doing when NV released the GeForce series... wait, I thought you were only 9yrs old and didn't know much about computers...

Sorry but unless you're 21, you too are also "very young." (heck a lot of adults consider under 30 to be young...)Damn, I'm ashamed, you make us minors look really bad.

Please elaborate how Intel and nVidia "supported you" individually when you needed to upgrade. Are you getting free parts? Well then of course we can see your brand loyalty, they bought you out! lol And just how did these particular brands "hone your PC skills?" You honed your own skills with the hardware you chose.

Now of course ATI isn't the better brand. And of course nVidia isn't either! Everyone knows the best brand is XGI! (jk) That's a very subjective term, and while you might not want to say ATI is the better brand, ATI might be the better brand for someone else.

It appears to me (and this is an OPINION), you purchased the DFI RD480 and the X1800XT knowing you wouldn't like it, and just so you could nitpick at it and complain.

ATI in no ways has, "shot themselves in the foot." Just look at all the XBox 360's flying around the globe and selling almost as fast as they come in. Let's not forget that the XBox 360 project was a very important program for ATI and they diverted many of their resources to developing that. And as Sam0t said, take a look at Intel. They havent come up with anything revolutionary in the recent past, and they've been losing market share to AMD as well, but they're still alive and going along. There's also much anticipation for their new chips coming out and they may best what AMD has to offer. Likewise, ATI can turn around a product that bests NV's offerings as well.

Personally I think the current offerings from ATI do look nicer ingame, and are more attractive to the high end buyer. If you like NV, then by all means go buy NV, nobody is stopping you from spending your money. But don't try and spew out "facts" that haven't been taken by a large survey. While one's input is valuable, every experience can be different and you need a collection of these experiences to get the general overview. Just beacuse my Toyota broke down doesn't mean Toyotas are crap as a whole...
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Born 1987 my friend.

how did they hone my PC skills you ask? It motivated me to find out what a real 3d accelerator was and what I wanted in my PC.

The problem with your Intel argument is that Intel is a slacking Nv. Intel doesn't care about it's market like nVidia does. nVidia caters to us gamers and the gamers who want to game but do not have deep pockets.
ATI was never for gamers, it was intended for those bafoons who wanted to watch TV through their all in wonder and "digitally edit".

Gets me really going that ATi somehow feels like they are apart of the real gamer circle. Sure they've become "a brand to F*** with" but, I think they have no place in the gaming industry.

We continually talk about laissez faire economics and how this "drives prices down, and lets the gamer choose" and I DO thank ATI for that, HOWEVER the xbox360 excuse isn't enough. Then we can give Nvidia a free pass in 2001 for the "xbox" launch, but we didn't because guess why? Ah yes, now I remember the Geforce 4 was dominating the benchmarks.

What I'm saying is, man. That don't give the "xbox 360" excuse to ATi because they don't deserve it, nVidia hasn't needed to release 2 different cards with 2 different standings in benchmarks (One not evne near the peak, the other at the top). Nvidia didn't do that when they released the 5900 ultra (which parred with the 9800) so I mean that was either a bad move at the start not hard launching, or a bad move releasing something they could compare to current competition and beat.
 
Actually I think you'd find that it was the Radeon 8500 that opened the eyes of more discerning scrutinisers. It just wasn't until the 9700 made the Geforce4 Ti series look silly that Nvidia took time to notice what was happening around them ;)
 
First of all Gagan, your way of conduting conversation is like begging for banning, you did notice that personal attacks aren´t allowed here?

Your age theory goes to trash can immidiately since Iam 26 years old and my first PC was 486 66mhz MMX (go calculating processor), so let´t turn this into "myn is bigger than yours competition".

As I stated before you have some really Strong opinions and your entitled to them as am I. Your post has not a single bit of proof or example why your favorite brand is great and going to beat competition. It´s all opinion and such does not count.

You might want to start checking out these fine reviews and start evaluationg your point of view:

Review 1

Review 2

All those reviews including HardOCP concludes one or two things about IQ and current generation speed. Take your time, read them carefully and tell me what you think.
 
Actually the 5800 was released VERY near the 9700 I thought it was something like a month before or after and everyone laughed at it and counted it out for being a "dual card" solution, hypocrites. They took risks, and they did fail thanks to Futuremark,but the card itself was superior to the 9700 pro, but hte pro did win benchmarks thanks to driver recoding (<3 Futuremark). One thing I cannot argue is that ATI offers some of the best AGP solutoins for the market and some very good PCI-E, however I cannot recommend anything for midrang PCI-E Other than a 7900GT which is selling out everywhere WITH a hard launch. When it comes to top tier, it's all subjective, but you all know where I stand.

Earlier I forgot to tell the person who asked if I get my parts free, pfft yeah right I wish. I'd go AEG Anyday and put it in my signature with pride, but the fact of the matter is I'm not and I pay for my own stuff since everything else is paid for
 
lloose said:
WTF are you talking about??


This is where you lost me... there are plenty of highend cpus in the last year that had ati in them.. ..
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" In the last couple of years nVidia has taken nearly 100% of the premium performance PC market (last year you couldn't even buy a Voodoo desktop system with an ATI card in it)"

CPU magazine, March 2006, Vol.6, Iss. 03 ; 'ATI 2006: Don't Call It A Comeback' pg. 102

Ok, I'm done making this guy look dumb...
 
sam0t said:
First of all Gagan, your way of conduting conversation is like begging for banning, you did notice that personal attacks aren´t allowed here?

Your age theory goes to trash can immidiately since Iam 26 years old and my first PC was 486 66mhz MMX (go calculating processor), so let´t turn this into "myn is bigger than yours competition".

As I stated before you have some really Strong opinions and your entitled to them as am I. Your post has not a single bit of proof or example why your favorite brand is great and going to beat competition. It´s all opinion and such does not count.

You might want to start checking out these fine reviews and start evaluationg your point of view:

Review 1

Review 2

All those reviews including HardOCP concludes one or two things about IQ and current generation speed. Take your time, read them carefully and tell me what you think.
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If you're as old as you say you are, Conduct yourself in a proper manner. You do not type like someone your age, and I'm stating my opinion.

First of all those 2 reviews are erroneous, funny how you didn't pull an anand/toms/Hardocp review? Let me do it for you man:
"Overall Summary:

Looking back at the performance is very interesting. We can break it up between single card and dual card. On the single card side, we didn’t have the X1800 XT provide any better experience over the GeForce 7800 GTX 512. In most of the games it was the GeForce 7800 GTX 512 that provided either higher frame rates or higher image quality. In only three games was there a draw between the cards—Serious Sam 2, EverQuest II, and Battlefield 2." That's from Hard's x1800xt review.

And here's another:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2679&p=15

THere ya go man, there is my support
 
Gagan said:
Looking back at the performance is very interesting. We can break it up between single card and dual card. On the single card side, we didn’t have the X1800 XT provide any better experience over the GeForce 7800 GTX 512. In most of the games it was the GeForce 7800 GTX 512 that provided either higher frame rates or higher image quality. In only three games was there a draw between the cards—Serious Sam 2, EverQuest II, and Battlefield 2." That's from Hard's x1800xt review.

And here's another:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2679&p=15

THere ya go man, there is my support
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My typing might seem off since my native language is not English.

That quote is from previous generation review, I thought we are discussing current situation. I did mention HardOCP clearly, linking it seems unnecesary since we are at their forums, Iam sure everybody can find their review.

I still have hard time to find a real point from your text other than you really like Nvidia.
 
Here's a question... correct me if I'm wrong..

Isn't ATI Crossfire copying old nVidia tech?

In one of my first computers I had an AMD K6 processor...Quake 2 was just coming out..and I bought a Diamond Multimedia Monster 3DII card based on Voodoo2 tech...This being said you link 2 of these cards together via 'dongle cable' in what they called 'Monster Fusion'...As these cards used the old ISA interface...
 
Dark Prodigy said:
Here's a question... correct me if I'm wrong..

Isn't ATI Crossfire copying old nVidia tech?

In one of my first computers I had an AMD K6 processor...Quake 2 was just coming out..and I bought a Diamond Multimedia Monster 3DII card based on Voodoo2 tech...This being said you link 2 of these cards together via 'dongle cable' in what they called 'Monster Fusion'...As these cards used the old ISA interface...
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Well in essence yes. They are not directly copying the technology just the idea.

First two card solution was made by 3Dfx back in the Voodoo days. Nvidia bought 3Dfx and now has all their patents etc. So yes in a way ATI is now copying Nvidia since they own former 3Dfx.
 
sam0t said:
Well in essence yes. They are not directly copying the technology just the idea.

First two card solution was made by 3Dfx back in the Voodoo days. Nvidia bought 3Dfx and now has all their patents etc. So yes in a way ATI is now copying Nvidia since they own former 3Dfx.
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Hmmm... Just as I thought...

So you are saying nVidia inherited the technology via absorbtion of the old 3Dfx in the mid 90's...It seems strange that nVidia didn't revisit that concept...That means they must have found something better, more efficient.....SLI anyone?
 
Dark Prodigy said:
Intel Conroe + X1900XTX > AMD FX-60 + nVidia 7900GTX... ??
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50/50

Conroe > FX-60
remembering that am2 is almost out and conroe is beeing released much later. so comparing a current processer to a conroe one is sorta unfair. but yes conroe throughly whips the fx-60's a$$

7900GTX > X1900XTX.
hands down. quieter. less power. tied in performance, with 7900GTX pulling ahead in most games by %5-%10. in a few (shader intensive) games the X1900XTX wins, only cuz of its legendary 48 shader processers tho.

but hey im dropping money on a new reg pretty quick. im going am2 and 7900GTX. why not conroe? dont believe in it. Intel let me down on more then one occasion. mind you the p4 i have now is awsome....
 
Gagan said:
Born 1987 my friend.

how did they hone my PC skills you ask? It motivated me to find out what a real 3d accelerator was and what I wanted in my PC.

The problem with your Intel argument is that Intel is a slacking Nv. Intel doesn't care about it's market like nVidia does. nVidia caters to us gamers and the gamers who want to game but do not have deep pockets.
ATI was never for gamers, it was intended for those bafoons who wanted to watch TV through their all in wonder and "digitally edit".

Gets me really going that ATi somehow feels like they are apart of the real gamer circle. Sure they've become "a brand to F*** with" but, I think they have no place in the gaming industry.

We continually talk about laissez faire economics and how this "drives prices down, and lets the gamer choose" and I DO thank ATI for that, HOWEVER the xbox360 excuse isn't enough. Then we can give Nvidia a free pass in 2001 for the "xbox" launch, but we didn't because guess why? Ah yes, now I remember the Geforce 4 was dominating the benchmarks.

What I'm saying is, man. That don't give the "xbox 360" excuse to ATi because they don't deserve it, nVidia hasn't needed to release 2 different cards with 2 different standings in benchmarks (One not evne near the peak, the other at the top). Nvidia didn't do that when they released the 5900 ultra (which parred with the 9800) so I mean that was either a bad move at the start not hard launching, or a bad move releasing something they could compare to current competition and beat.
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wtf are you smoking and where can i get some.....

ati doesnt cater to gamers market. go tell that to the people using X1900XT in crossfire and getting 10Grand in 3dmark 06. like wtf? of course ati is for the gamer.

and are you raggin on intel too? amd may be better then intel today. but intel was the one who got the ball rolling! IBM 4004 first microprocesser ever. ancient port that looked alot like legacy (as i recall) that ALONE makes intel a bitchin company.

dont rag on companies man, and your luckey im not an admin, cuz id ban you just for beeing retarded.
 
Dark Prodigy said:
Here's a question... correct me if I'm wrong..

Isn't ATI Crossfire copying old nVidia tech?

In one of my first computers I had an AMD K6 processor...Quake 2 was just coming out..and I bought a Diamond Multimedia Monster 3DII card based on Voodoo2 tech...This being said you link 2 of these cards together via 'dongle cable' in what they called 'Monster Fusion'...As these cards used the old ISA interface...
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oh man... go look at some diagrams man "oh look they both have external cables that means there the same right!" that what your saying?
 
Hmmm nvidia or ATI doesn´t matter what processor you use to run on them. They don´t have any AMD or Intel optimizations built in to them. Even though I don´t know if nVidias dual core optimizations benefit the AMD or Intels dual core systems more...

Since I would guess extremely few gamers run the Intel Dual cores maybe they are more optimized to AMDs ones who knows...

But hard to find anything to discuss here. Both ATI and nVidia have had high end video cards out all the time. Intel yes a bit slower but you can still use them especially since most games are video card limited anyway.
 
MrWizard6600 said:
oh man... go look at some diagrams man "oh look they both have external cables that means there the same right!" that what your saying?
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LOL external cables... that's simply asinine. Its something called concept and correlation. Of course they can't be exactly the same simply because todays technology is different. It simply means nVidia owns the 'pioneering' rights to the original 2 card video solution when games were starting to become 'true 3D' (i.e.. Quake 2..the original Half-Life) and more 3D rendering power was desirable.

This could also mean since nVidia did not revisit this setup.. and they developed something better ..SLI... that nVidia can be heralded as true visionaries. Not simply revamping older technology...Ati CrossFire.
 
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rendering GPU

and honistly who gives a damn? if ati can get you more performance then sli via dongle cable... who cares if its old technology. it works!

and nvidia is king of pioneering huh. how bout those 48 shader units. pretty new huh. no one had done it before huh. might even call it new, or wait discovering.. him whats a good word to discribe that...

dude you cant honistly belive that one graphics company is better then the other. like. there so neck and neck. and they constantly leap frog eachother. like i think its loud. i think it takes to much power. but holy crap the X1900XTX is a omgwtfpwnzorz gfx card. if you have one of those monstors you can run any game out there at insane resolutions with amazing aa and as.

in my opinion dude. your ignorant. beeing loyal to nvidia is ok. i mean i think i am too. but the extent to which you take it. is insane.

btw you just got owned by a 15 year old at 2 am. im going to sleep
 
Dark Prodigy said:
This could also mean since nVidia did not revisit this setup.. and they developed something better ..SLI... that nVidia can be heralded as true visionaries. Not simply revamping older technology...Ati CrossFire.
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I don´t think any of us has enough knowledge to throw that kinda assumption. It is true that Nvidia had good time to develop SLI and that initial Crossfire was just a quick "fix" and not a good solution. Now with RD580 chip Crossfire is maturing slowly and soon we can kiss good bye to dongles and master cards.
 
K, i like AMD and ATI but im leaning towards nvidia on my next upgrade. Cause ATi's midrange cards is nothing compare to nvidias offerings.
Sure you can get a x1800xt for 300$ (oem) which is not worth it,warranty wise.

ATI needs to pull thier heads up thier ass cause Nvidia is pwning themsince 6800ultra came out,
according to stocks that is :p
nvidia --> 48.77

ATi --> 14.40
 
oh boy cuz stock is always right right?

do i really have to go get the numbers on AMD vs intel. who is clearly pwning who and whos stock is worth more and whos got more of it? cuz i really wanna go to sleep.
 
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