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AMD is back in the game

Personally I've never considered AMD to have been "out of the game" to begin with, when it comes to GPU. Some time ago, AMD and nVidia's release cycle went out of sync. So naturally whoever was the last to release a new architecture would have the better architecture, as it's new vs 6-12 months old architecture. The fact that we could observe this shows that both AMD and nVidia are at the top of their game in terms of developing new architecture (where they are as fast as it should be in relative to the time they were released), and this is of course good for us consumers.
 
AMD just being late the party, 10 months is a long time not to have competition.
 
Irrespective of what "reviewers" claim, the 390X offers a cheaper alternative to the 980GTX and the 390 offers a 970GTX alternative with more than twice the amount of VRAM, at about the same pricepoint.

That is a win in my book.
 
Now we just need amd to compete in the cpu performance instead of just apu, intel's grip is too strong.
 
I think time will tell. With team green absorbing 80+ of the market share for a few years now, AMD has a big hill to climb. And the playing field isn't lop sided, AMD earned their 2nd place position.
 
lol if you're doing drugs and and alcohol by yourself that's pretty telling :eek:
 
Rav3n said:
Most likely Fury X, the only thing AMD fans have to praise.

Because AMD flat out said all other cards are re brands using 2013 tech. Including the 390/x
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Those being the most important price tiers, too.
I guess AMD put all of their GPU budget into Fury, which doesn't allow their other cards to remain competitive...

Hopefully we see some big 300-series sales right off the bat. Get them down $50-$100 or so and they might be viable. That's up to the vendors.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
Those being the most important price tiers, too.
I guess AMD put all of their GPU budget into Fury, which doesn't allow their other cards to remain competitive...

Hopefully we see some big 300-series sales right off the bat. Get them down $50-$100 or so and they might be viable. That's up to the vendors.
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I agree. Although AMD did not sway me this round, I wouldn't mind seeing cheaper nVidia cards.

But benches on the new tech have not come out. And I have been through this before many times in the past 20 years. Tech presentations show awesome numbers by said company, real world results from independent reviewers show otherwise.

I would not be surprised if the joke was on the fan boys. Time will tell... but either way competition is NEVER a bad thing!
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
Those being the most important price tiers, too.
I guess AMD put all of their GPU budget into Fury, which doesn't allow their other cards to remain competitive...

Hopefully we see some big 300-series sales right off the bat. Get them down $50-$100 or so and they might be viable. That's up to the vendors.
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Well usually the R&D of the top end trickles down to the low end, focus is always on the high end. So you are correct in that assumption.

But with HBM, the problem is it will only come in 4 gb packages, so you want your low end to have the same as your high end added with the extra cost of the transposer?

Also added to this the huge stock pile of chips left over from the past few quarters it was probably better to rebadge then to write them all off.
 
I cannot understand why people say that the 390X and 390 are not competitive.

Like I already said, the 390X is at the 980GTX's performance level at a cheaper price, it also has an extra 4GB RAM, will the RAM make a difference, not sure, but anyways you get a 980GTX alternative for $80-$100 less.
The 390 is at the 970's price and performance point and again has a lot more VRAM.

Are these based off of old tech, sure, but in its real word performance it is matching its price segment competitor, so it is most definitely competitive.
 
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QDemon19 said:
I cannot understand why people say that the 390X and 390 are not competitive.

Like I already said, the 390X is at the 980GTX's performance level at a cheaper price, it also has an extra 4GB RAM, will the RAM make a difference, not sure, but anyways you get a 980GTX alternative for $80-$100 less.
The 390 is at the 970's price and performance point and again has a lot more VRAM.

Are these based off of old tech, sure, but in its real word performance it is matching its price segment competitor, so it is most definitely competitive.
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390X is more in between 970 and 980 than being at 980 level. I think its appropriately priced given the 980s price, but i don't think anyone agrees that 980 is prices right. 300-350 for the 380X I think would make it sell like hotcakes.
 
razor1 said:
at the cost of using more power and a better PSU.
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I would assume people buying $400+ video cards typically have the PSU necessary to run these cards. Power consumption is comparable to the Fermi generation of cards.

These new AMD cards are not as efficient as the current NVIDIA alternatives, but as many people have proven mathematically around here over the years, it takes a lot of power-on-hours to see enough savings on your electric bill to make up the difference in purchase cost for a significantly higher-priced product.

The see-saw of video card development continues. One side makes a better architecture and charges a premium for it. The other side responds with increased power consumption on an aging architecture, but offers it at a competitive price. Unless AMD goes out of business, they will probably flip-flop again at some point.
 
Anyone who waited for the 300 series so they could use a PLP configuration are out of luck on the rebrand 390/x no?
 
TDSlam720 said:
390X is more in between 970 and 980 than being at 980 level. I think its appropriately priced given the 980s price, but i don't think anyone agrees that 980 is prices right. 300-350 for the 380X I think would make it sell like hotcakes.
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With mature drivers, I think the 390X will be at the 980's level.

380X? Is that going to be more powerful than the 390? The 390 retails at $329.
 
MrCaffeineX said:
I would assume people buying $400+ video cards typically have the PSU necessary to run these cards. Power consumption is comparable to the Fermi generation of cards.

These new AMD cards are not as efficient as the current NVIDIA alternatives, but as many people have proven mathematically around here over the years, it takes a lot of power-on-hours to see enough savings on your electric bill to make up the difference in purchase cost for a significantly higher-priced product.

The see-saw of video card development continues. One side makes a better architecture and charges a premium for it. The other side responds with increased power consumption on an aging architecture, but offers it at a competitive price. Unless AMD goes out of business, they will probably flip-flop again at some point.
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Not everyone upgrades PSU's with upgrading cards so that is something that people might have to look at.

Its pretty easy to see the power bill for some, myself I leave my home computer on all day, and have to use my AC to cool my apartment down if I'm gaming, Its not just the cost of running the card, its the cost of running my AC too.

And if I'm gaming and its 80 degrees out, if I don't turn on my AC the room will get 95+ degrees a bit too hot to stay in that's with a titan x, the r290x uses more watts so its going to be pushing even more heat into the room.

If I game everyday 4 hours a day, my monthly electric bill with my AC is 400 bucks that's alot for a 2 bed apt in Manhattan, when I'm not gaming its $250 and leave my comp on.
 
razor1 said:
Not everyone upgrades PSU's with upgrading cards so that is something that people might have to look at.

Its pretty easy to see the power bill for some, myself I leave my home computer on all day, and have to use my AC to cool my apartment down if I'm gaming, Its not just the cost of running the card, its the cost of running my AC too.

And if I'm gaming and its 80 degrees out, if I don't turn on my AC the room will get 95+ degrees a bit too hot to stay in that's with a titan x, the r290x uses more watts so its going to be pushing even more heat into the room.
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By that logic, you make that money back from the heating power you don't spend in the winter. :rolleyes:
 
In VA, my house has gas heating and it seems pretty expensive to me.
Guess it also depends on how much space we're dealing with - but hey, we're getting off topic.

The energy savings do not make a big difference overall, but I agree if I had to choose, I would take the card that runs cooler.
 
yeah down south its weird gas tends to be more expensive, my parents just bought a house down in TX, and their gas bill is very high.
 
Dude you should move at those rates, My bill monthly is around $95 bucks running ac and computers on 24/7. Old 3 bedroom house built in the 40's, Point being not everyone is being gouged on the electric bill. I agree with the op on this one, I don't give a damn if it is old tech the performance is what matters. If I was buying a card right now it would be a 390x (or 290x) or the fury card coming soon. There seems to be alot of amd bashing going on the last few days, tells me that the nvidiot fanboys are worried about the fury knocking green team back a step.
 
The long term electric cost isn't going to be much of a big deal. What is a big deal is if your swag new video card pulls more juice than your power supply can handle. That is an immediate cost consideration that led to a lot of people choosing Nvidia over AMD. Not just on the low end either, the difference becomes an issue when you have to double it for Crossfire vs SLI.

If you are chuching a 1200 watt PSU and i7-5960X and are just swapping up to the next better thing, then yeah you can Pay-and-Plug-and-Play whatever brand of technotheism you subscribe to.
 
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