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AMD guy, possibly switching BACK to intel?

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KuJaX

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I have always been an Intel guy, but as soon as AMD came out with the Palmino, I switched over to AMD. Ever since, i've been with AMD, but I feel myself wanting to build another Intel system. :)

Here is my circumstance: I am running a Barton 2500+ with a gig of kingston pc3200 ram and Gigabyte 7n400-l motherboard. It has been running great, but I think i'm going to hand this stuff over as a gift to my mother and start up with Intel again.

I do not game anymore, almost not at all. I do a lot of multi-tasking, and I mean a lot (enough for me to have 4 monitors hooked up). :) SO i thought I would come back to Intel.

I've been reading about the Prescott 3.2ghz Intel P4. I have been out of the "loop" with Intel products, so what are some good benefits of specific motherboards or specific speed/type of RAM? What about bang for the buck?

I COULD end up buying an Athlon 64 3200 or so, new motherboard, and keep the RAM. It would most likely end up costing less.

I essentially want a processor/mobo/ram that can handle all my programs that I have open at any given time, and give me almost no "thinking time" when going to open something else. I like the feeling of clicking on "firefox.exe" as fast as I can, and it will open up instantanously. :)

*PM me if you have a athlon 64/mobo or P4/mobo/ram for sale*
 
I feel i can give you a good response, unlike the one above, because i own one of everything, so here goes:

You're right, you dont game anymroe so buying an AMD would be pointless, and not prove one bit worth it, even fi you did want to play a game once a month, a P4 would be fine.

Right now the LGA775 and Intel i9X5 Chipsets are what is taking over. With that comes PCI-Express and DDR2, one of which you dont 'need'. the i915P chipset comes with the option of having DDR1 or DDR2, so you can either spend a ton on DDR2, or keep your old RAM, which is nice, and what i did.

if you want it to be 'instantaneous', you're gonna need upwards of a 3.4GHZ or 3.6GHZ processor in the LGA775 form. There is also a 3.8GHZ coming out, which you can buy, if you have the money....

As for mobos, if you dont overclock, the ones intel makes themselves is perfect for you, if not any company like asus or abit, or even gigabyte will have a great mobo. If you dont wanna invest in a more future proof PCI-E/DDR2 system, they make these hybrid i865/875P chipset LGA775 boards, but not from intel- only from third party manufacturers, which means you can buy the 3.4/3.6 LGA processor and keep your old agp card and DDR1 ram, or get the i915p (like i did) and keep your ddr1 ram and have the benefit of upgradeabiliy in the PCI-E video cards.

ram was pretty much explained above, you dont need to use DDR2 if you dont want too...
 
I multitask about as much as you seem to do with little gaming. Instead of getting a P4 with HT, I just got dual opterons.

That will give you about as good of an 'instantaneous' switch as you can get.
 
Thanks for the replies.

First off, I use to have a dual athlon mp 2200+ system, and for some reason it just didn't do it for me. It was fast, sure, basically "instantaneous", however it seemed to close up my applications a lot out of no where. Possibly from bad windows install, but it just seemed like I wasn't getting as much as I could out of it, so I sold the mobo/cpus/ram combo.

As far as P4 goes. I am looking at Prescott 3.2e on newegg for $218. I don't want a top of the line motherboard, with DDR2 and pci-express or anything, but I wouldn't use it, and would just be wasting the money. I'd like a basic motherboard, without any overclocking capabilities, and spend in the $90-$110 range. I have a gig of kingston pc3200 RAM that I use in my AMD system right now that seems to work alright, so could i use that same ram in my intel system, or should I pickup some "intel based" RAM?

I can get the following a Intel D915PBL Mobo and Intel LGA775 Pentium 4 550 3.4 GHz for $370, brand new, which I feel is a pretty good deal, but kind of more than I was planning on spending. I'm thinking that the 3.2e on newegg and some cheapo mobo will work for the next 6 months until pci-express and ddr2 prices come down and are more available. ? Comments/suggestions? I also noticed that with the D915PBL mobo and the ABIT "AG8" i915P show that they have like:

- 1 PCI Express x16 for next generation graphics architecture
- 3 PCI Express x1 for next generation I/O architecture"

So would my AGP video card not work on these motherboards? (also have PCI video card for 4 monitors total)

Thanks!
 
your ram will work just fine, its up to you whether you want to pay now or later. If I were in your situation, I would wait till DDR2 and PCI-e are useful and mainstream
 
You do realize that to have quad Opterons, you need to buy 8XX-series Opterons; which cost upwards of $2000?
 
Brad4321 said:
I multitask about as much as you seem to do with little gaming. Instead of getting a P4 with HT, I just got dual opterons.

That will give you about as good of an 'instantaneous' switch as you can get.
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Dual Xeon's. Two CPU's with Hyperthreading. Nuff said. :eek: If the poster is concerned about spending $370 on a D915PBL and Model 550 P4, then dual Xeon's and Opteron's are out of the question.

To the poster, No you can not use your AGP video card in those boards. They physically do not have the AGP slot. Beware of motherboards with the AGP Express socket. Essentially it's crap. I won't get into all the technical reasons. But it's junk.

For Multi-tasking Intel is hard to beat. I've seen the Dual Opteron argument, but that's going to be cost prohibitive. And you could always go dual Xeon and get HT on both CPU's. So that arguement is pointless.

The D915PBL is a good board. I've got one. But I'd say that your best bet if you don't want to change video cards and ram is to go with the tried and true P4C800-E Deluxe. A lot of features, and fast. Good overclockability and best of all the prices are comming down on them.
 
whats so fantastic about the P4C800-E Deluxe? I was looking at the simple abit AS8, which is $86 at newegg. I dont need 6 channel audio or any of that integrated stuff. Isn't the AS8 good for overclocking as well?
 
Sir-Fragalot said:
Dual Xeon's. Two CPU's with Hyperthreading. Nuff said. :eek: If the poster is concerned about spending $370 on a D915PBL and Model 550 P4, then dual
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Why? They are extremely expensive, and useless to boot; unless you want to host a server for something.
Sir-Fragalot said:
For Multi-tasking Intel is hard to beat. I've seen the Dual Opteron argument, but that's going to be cost prohibitive. And you could always go dual Xeon and get HT on both CPU's. So that arguement is pointless.
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Since when are Xeons cheap? A 3.4GHz one costs $700... and you can get a better than equivalent Opteron for slightly less- 2.4GHz (should be 2.2GHz to be equal to the 3.4GHz, but no such thing exists). Ant it costs slightly less, too - $637. Same goes for lower-end Xeons vs Opterons; the former is still less cost-effecient.

IMO, having an SMP rig of any kind right now is redundant at best; most desktop applications can't even be split into two threads effectively, let alone 4. Besides, "HT is better for multitasking" is bullshit. I'm sick of hearing that. I've had no problems with multitasking on a 466MHz Celeron, ffs! As an example, people always say: "I want to burn a DVD, download another one on bittorent, and play FarCry at the same time! And I can do that very well on my P4 with HT!!" What they don't realize, is that these aren't CPU-intensive applications either way. I can do the same thing, and FarCry won't lose more than 1FPS. Were they to try to, for example encode a dvd movie, de-archive a large file and attempt to play a somewhat new game, like FarCry, for example, their system would slow to a crawl either way; HT, or no HT.
 
iddqd said:
Why? They are extremely expensive, and useless to boot; unless you want to host a server for something.

Since when are Xeons cheap? A 3.4GHz one costs $700... and you can get a better than equivalent Opteron for slightly less- 2.4GHz (should be 2.2GHz to be equal to the 3.4GHz, but no such thing exists). Ant it costs slightly less, too - $637. Same goes for lower-end Xeons vs Opterons; the former is still less cost-effecient.

IMO, having an SMP rig of any kind right now is redundant at best; most desktop applications can't even be split into two threads effectively, let alone 4. Besides, "HT is better for multitasking" is bullshit. I'm sick of hearing that. I've had no problems with multitasking on a 466MHz Celeron, ffs! As an example, people always say: "I want to burn a DVD, download another one on bittorent, and play FarCry at the same time! And I can do that very well on my P4 with HT!!" What they don't realize, is that these aren't CPU-intensive applications either way. I can do the same thing, and FarCry won't lose more than 1FPS. Were they to try to, for example encode a dvd movie, de-archive a large file and attempt to play a somewhat new game, like FarCry, for example, their system would slow to a crawl either way; HT, or no HT.
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You would be surprised at how well HT helps with multi-tasking?
Have you ever used a HT-enabled chip?
 
iddqd said:
Why? They are extremely expensive, and useless to boot; unless you want to host a server for something.

Since when are Xeons cheap? A 3.4GHz one costs $700... and you can get a better than equivalent Opteron for slightly less- 2.4GHz (should be 2.2GHz to be equal to the 3.4GHz, but no such thing exists). Ant it costs slightly less, too - $637. Same goes for lower-end Xeons vs Opterons; the former is still less cost-effecient.

IMO, having an SMP rig of any kind right now is redundant at best; most desktop applications can't even be split into two threads effectively, let alone 4. Besides, "HT is better for multitasking" is bullshit. I'm sick of hearing that. I've had no problems with multitasking on a 466MHz Celeron, ffs! As an example, people always say: "I want to burn a DVD, download another one on bittorent, and play FarCry at the same time! And I can do that very well on my P4 with HT!!" What they don't realize, is that these aren't CPU-intensive applications either way. I can do the same thing, and FarCry won't lose more than 1FPS. Were they to try to, for example encode a dvd movie, de-archive a large file and attempt to play a somewhat new game, like FarCry, for example, their system would slow to a crawl either way; HT, or no HT.
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I have to agree with you on the opterons, but that's just personal bias

EDIT: Bah, double post
 
iddqd said:
Why? They are extremely expensive, and useless to boot; unless you want to host a server for something.

Since when are Xeons cheap? A 3.4GHz one costs $700... and you can get a better than equivalent Opteron for slightly less- 2.4GHz (should be 2.2GHz to be equal to the 3.4GHz, but no such thing exists). Ant it costs slightly less, too - $637. Same goes for lower-end Xeons vs Opterons; the former is still less cost-effecient.

IMO, having an SMP rig of any kind right now is redundant at best; most desktop applications can't even be split into two threads effectively, let alone 4. Besides, "HT is better for multitasking" is bullshit. I'm sick of hearing that. I've had no problems with multitasking on a 466MHz Celeron, ffs! As an example, people always say: "I want to burn a DVD, download another one on bittorent, and play FarCry at the same time! And I can do that very well on my P4 with HT!!" What they don't realize, is that these aren't CPU-intensive applications either way. I can do the same thing, and FarCry won't lose more than 1FPS. Were they to try to, for example encode a dvd movie, de-archive a large file and attempt to play a somewhat new game, like FarCry, for example, their system would slow to a crawl either way; HT, or no HT.
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No, you missunderstand the statement. I was saying that that SMP is not cost effective. Plus the Intel and AMD arguement would have simply come up again between Intel and AMD. As the Intel chips in the server classes still have HT.

I don't agree with the statements about HT. They are nicer for multitasking. If what your doing is CPU intensive. I agree that some apps aren't going to make that much of an impact.

But, in the case of the motherboard, the P4C800-E deluxe is badass in all categories. If you want a simple and cheaper board than I'd suggest a P4P800 non-deluxe. It's less than $100 and would serve you well. However if socket 478 isn't your thing and you want a LGA775 solution the AS8 is a good choice also. Should be good for overclocking as well.
 
Oh come on, like those 16% are going to make any difference... considering you lose 4% either way; that's only 12% gain.
 
Why don't you try an SFF box with a Pentiun-M? P-M rules!... Wait, nvm, it's only good for games.
 
There are a bunch of Micro-ATX boards for P-M... for example, AOpen makes one.
 
KuJaX said:
whats so fantastic about the P4C800-E Deluxe? I was looking at the simple abit AS8, which is $86 at newegg. I dont need 6 channel audio or any of that integrated stuff. Isn't the AS8 good for overclocking as well?
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its simply the most stable and fastest board out there as well as best overclocking. I took my 2.4C to 318 FSB which is 3.8ghz on AIR with no special cooling and an ambient temp of 20-22C. Also took my 3.0C to 4ghz everyday stable on water.

That's performance.
 
Being an AMD fan I have always been impressed with the overclocking Intels have, but the thing that gets me is SNDS, i guess its called. I know it happens on Northwoods, hence the name, but do you still have the same problems on Prescotts? Also, I know Prescotts ran pretty hot, is that not the case now? Sorry for thread hijacking, but I tried to keep it on topic as much as possible. Maybe it will help?
 
guess the P4C800-E Deluxe doesnt support LGA775 anyway. I've got a 3.4ghz LGA775 on the way.

I can get an S478 3.4ghz for a good deal, what are the advantages or disadvantages to both?
 
LGA775 will be supported by all new platforms, S478 will not be made anymore
 
covertclocker said:
Being an AMD fan I have always been impressed with the overclocking Intels have, but the thing that gets me is SNDS, i guess its called. I know it happens on Northwoods, hence the name, but do you still have the same problems on Prescotts? Also, I know Prescotts ran pretty hot, is that not the case now? Sorry for thread hijacking, but I tried to keep it on topic as much as possible. Maybe it will help?
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it does not happen on the newer C chips, or the prescotts. only on 533mhz fsb d1 parts
 
covertclocker said:
Being an AMD fan I have always been impressed with the overclocking Intels have, but the thing that gets me is SNDS, i guess its called. I know it happens on Northwoods, hence the name, but do you still have the same problems on Prescotts? Also, I know Prescotts ran pretty hot, is that not the case now? Sorry for thread hijacking, but I tried to keep it on topic as much as possible. Maybe it will help?
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SNDS is a thing of the past when people were trying to pump 2volt through there northwood a/b's.
 
Were they to try to, for example encode a dvd movie, de-archive a large file and attempt to play a somewhat new game, like FarCry, for example, their system would slow to a crawl either way; HT, or no HT.
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I believe you found the reason why people have duallies. I personally don't really consider 15 notepad windows open multitasking, which is about the best you are going to get on that celeron. My old athlon xp was a pain to use. Although it was pretty fast, you couldn't multitask with some good apps without a major slowdown. These opterons really help that.

HT makes the processor more effecient with the threads it already has. As far as getting more done, you aren't really going to get that with HT as you still only have a single processor running at a single speed. It will just make the whole process easier and less fustrating, with a small boost in actual performance. However, just the less lag in itself is enough for HT. I wish AMD had a HT of their own, but once dual cores come out, it won't have really any impact.

Now all I need is my SCSI raid config to help relieve the last bottleneck in my system.
 
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