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AMD guy definately switching to intel.

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So, what's good on this side of the fence?

After fighting with the 90nm AMD processors (only work on 3 motherboards currently, although barely), and the fact that Corsair XMS3200LL won't work with them (problems with the Samsung chips on the Gigabyte board AMD recommends) and so many motherboard makers that don't admit they have a problem (Fuck you Abit), I'm done. I want something stable. Intel, on an intel platform. Can't fuck that up now can we...

So, where is the price/overclocking ratio the best? IE: The current 2.4c look-a-like? And what's a good board to start with (for the love of god, NOT ECS and NOT abit)? Need integrated Firewire, ethernet (prefer 3com), but sound is not an issue.

Help?


Thanks...
 
Are you looking for an AGP or PCI-Express solution? If you want PCI-Express. The 3.0's are generally going pretty high for OC'ing purposes and can be had for less than $200. For a socket 478 setup I'd recommend the Asus P4C800-E Deluxe as it meets all your requirements.

I'd say on the LGA775 boards, you should go with an Asus P5AD2-E Premium. The 925XE chipset supports a 1066MHz FSB, so you should theoretically have alot of potential for overclocking a chip with an 800MHz FSB. Especially since Asus and Abit have done some work on changing multipliers with the new chips. They can be set at their original multiplier or a 14x multiplier. Giving you a few more possible combinations for speed.

Although the 925XE costs more than the 915X I think on the LGA775 platform the 925's are worth it compared to the 915. Unlike with the i865 and i875's where the i875P cost more and didn't offer much more than it's cheaper sibling. The 925X/925XE are compatible with the 64bit Prescott and offer superior gaming performance due to better memory performance. Of course you can only go with DDR2 on the 925X/XE. Even with DDR2 the 915 doesn't offer quite the performance of the 925X.

If you're going to overclock definatley look at the Asus boards. If your not you can't go wrong with an Intel branded board. The D915PBL and D925XEBC2 are both excellent choices.
 
paulmofyourhand said:
well you can rule intel out as your overclocking option, they have none for the processor
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Not true. The newer Intel boards have a CPU burn in mode function in the BIOS which gives you "some" overclockability. Not much. Maximum of about 4%. For the hardcore enthusiest Intel brand boards are definatley not a good choice.

But I think he meant Intel chipset based boards for Intel CPU's.
 
paulmofyourhand said:
well you can rule intel out as your overclocking option, they have none for the processor
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I meant chipset ;)

And I want AGP for now.
 
Sir-Fragalot said:
Are you looking for an AGP or PCI-Express solution? If you want PCI-Express. The 3.0's are generally going pretty high for OC'ing purposes and can be had for less than $200. For a socket 478 setup I'd recommend the Asus P4C800-E Deluxe as it meets all your requirements.

I'd say on the LGA775 boards, you should go with an Asus P5AD2-E Premium. The 925XE chipset supports a 1066MHz FSB, so you should theoretically have alot of potential for overclocking a chip with an 800MHz FSB. Especially since Asus and Abit have done some work on changing multipliers with the new chips. They can be set at their original multiplier or a 14x multiplier. Giving you a few more possible combinations for speed.

Although the 925XE costs more than the 915X I think on the LGA775 platform the 925's are worth it compared to the 915. Unlike with the i865 and i875's where the i875P cost more and didn't offer much more than it's cheaper sibling. The 925X/925XE are compatible with the 64bit Prescott and offer superior gaming performance due to better memory performance. Of course you can only go with DDR2 on the 925X/XE. Even with DDR2 the 915 doesn't offer quite the performance of the 925X.

If you're going to overclock definatley look at the Asus boards. If your not you can't go wrong with an Intel branded board. The D915PBL and D925XEBC2 are both excellent choices.
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Ok... I'll take a hard-core look at those. Was hoping to stay with AGP for this round, but the 9xx series are all PCIe only, aren't they?

Damn it, why did I pick now to have my computer die?
 
get an IC7 and a P4-M and be done for the day.

1.) Correct temperature reporting
2.) Overclocks VERY well
3.) EXTREMELY stable (Intel ICH-5 + Intel i875)
4.) Cheap++

edit: nice car, any pictures of the focus?
 
ScHpAnKy said:
get an IC7 and a P4-M and be done for the day.

1.) Correct temperature reporting
2.) Overclocks VERY well
3.) EXTREMELY stable (Intel ICH-5 + Intel i875)
4.) Cheap++

edit: nice car, any pictures of the focus?
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www.lopoetve.com/images/svt/

:)

I may very well do that. Abit wants to charge me to RMA their mobo that doesn't work :mad:
 
Love my MSI Neo2-PFISR: onboard Realtek Gigabit LAN, USB2.0, Firewire, ALC655 codec onboard. Nicely tuneable BIOS with good voltage options.

$121.00 from newegg back in July, lets my 2.8c hit 3.5 with ease - just make sure to check the 'approved RAM' on the MSI site.

Hope that may be some help :cool:
 
I have to recommend the Asus P4C800-E Dx has all of your requirments , can be had fairly cheap now and you can't beat the stable overclocking of it, i have personally ahd my 2.4C at 300 SFB on this board and stable at 292 , while i run a conservative 250 FSB on a daily basis for the last 8 months i can't find anything to complain about, unless it is teh fact that i am a bit rusty at playing with it on account that it has been so stable and trouble free i can't remember the lst time i was in the BIOS.

Plus the board has a pile of drive arrangments, 4 sata ports, as well as teh IDE
 
I would have to recommend something within the Gigabyte 8KNXP family, if you can get your hands on one. Granted, not the greatest OCer in the world, but I have my 2.8C running at 3.2 day in and day out and it is 100% rock solid. 4SATA ports, Intel CSA Gb NIC, regular IDE as well as IDE RAID. The only gripe I have with this board is having to pull the CMOS battery to reset the BIOS. Other than that, it's a great board.
 
Badger_sly said:
Epox 4PDA2+ (revision 2)

It's one of the highest OCing boards out there, for socket 478, super stable and loaded. vDimm from 2.6 to 3.3.

Review:
http://www.ocprices.com/index.php?rev_id=172&page=1&action=reviews

$120
https://www.epoxstore.com/Product_Detail.asp?Product_ID=1057

Thread here with a lot of info:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=772787
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Reviews are rarely objective and they never cover reliability. Gigabyte and Epox aren't the best in that category.
 
you can hardly go wrong with the Abit IC7 Max II Advance from newegg (~$135), I know you said no abits but its really the best board on the market with tons and tons of features

I just built an IC7-G box and it is rock stable with stock air cooling at 3.5ghz (3.0c northy)

sorry i cant recommend another board but after I did all my homework, the Abit came out on top

oh technically the IC7 is good because it has 4 phase power regulation and it uses top quality Rubycon capacitors.
 
PhoenixAshes said:
I would have to recommend something within the Gigabyte 8KNXP family, if you can get your hands on one. Granted, not the greatest OCer in the world, but I have my 2.8C running at 3.2 day in and day out and it is 100% rock solid. 4SATA ports, Intel CSA Gb NIC, regular IDE as well as IDE RAID. The only gripe I have with this board is having to pull the CMOS battery to reset the BIOS. Other than that, it's a great board.
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I will never, ever, under any circumstances, buy or use a Gigabyte board ever again. If given one, I'd rather trade it for a Via C3 and use that then put up with it. Gigabyte is full of lying douchebags, out to dupe and decieve the public, nothing more. After the whole debacle I've been going through on their GA-K8NS mobo, I will never touch or work on one again. Ever.
 
Hey lopoetve,

Nice to see you somewhere other than the video card forums. :D

If I were buying a board today (which I might be), I'd get the DFI 875P-T , which is a 775 socket, but uses the 875 chipset, DDR, AGP. This board, being 875, doesn't have any of the overclocking limitations of the newer chipsets. I'd put in one of the newest Pressy steps (E0 stepping, either 3.4 or 3.6). See this thread:

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=833270

So far these E0 stepping 775s (aka, "J" steppings) seem to be doing ~4.5 on decent air, but that's just anecdotal since not many are available in the retail channel yet.

As great as the P4P800's are, they are not equipped for Prescotts without some rather serious modding if you intend to overclock. They have a voltage droop under load which hurts stability, and just are not designed for the power and heat issues that a Pressy presents. I just had a P4C800-DX modified pretty extensively in anticipation of getting my Vapochill: Droop mod, vcore, AGP, vdimm, and doubled the number of power capacitors and mofsets.

Without mods, I think these P4C/P4Ps will have very short lives if they are running overclocked Pressys.
 
Another vote for the Abit IC7 board. I have an IC7-G + 3.0C P4 and it does 4.05 Ghz stable @ 1.67v but right now I got it running at 3.9 Ghz @ 1.62v. System is water cooled but I'm sure it would do fine on top end air up to 3.8-3.9.
 
See you back to the other side of the fence in about a month and by the way your memory would work great in a Asus A8V rev.2
 
The[H]uman said:
See you back to the other side of the fence in about a month and by the way your memory would work great in a Asus A8V rev.2
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Not helpful. This is an Intel forum.
 
The[H]uman said:
See you back to the other side of the fence in about a month and by the way your memory would work great in a Asus A8V rev.2
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Which is also the ONLY mobo that would work with an older bios to the point of be able to update it with even a 90nm AMD as i have! It came with 1006, i updated it to 1007 with the ALT-F2 before POST trick and bam! Works. Plus from what i recall when the newer p4 preshotts came out they also needed a bios update to work "properly" its just that was AWHILE ago so duh they work now! :p Do more research before rushing into purchases and then bitching later! I mean sure this whole 90nm thing is alittle "annoying" but it is new hardware and it happens alot from time to time. I rather have "some" minor issues then a cpu that throttles itself even at stock settings like the new new p4s do because they are run so damn hot! Not to mention the recalls intel have done... and now the p4 4.0 ghz being cancelled! :p


uclajd said:
Not helpful. This is an Intel forum.
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Then bitch at the poster for putting "AMD" in the topic! :p
 
The[H]uman said:
See you back to the other side of the fence in about a month and by the way your memory would work great in a Asus A8V rev.2
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And I still have to use one stick and try to flash the bios (if I'm lucky and get one that lets you do that with one stick). Guess what? I wouldn't have to do that on the intel!
 
Tazman2 said:
Which is also the ONLY mobo that would work with an older bios to the point of be able to update it with even a 90nm AMD as i have! It came with 1006, i updated it to 1007 with the ALT-F2 before POST trick and bam! Works. Plus from what i recall when the newer p4 preshotts came out they also needed a bios update to work "properly" its just that was AWHILE ago so duh they work now! :p Do more research before rushing into purchases and then bitching later! I mean sure this whole 90nm thing is alittle "annoying" but it is new hardware and it happens alot from time to time. I rather have "some" minor issues then a cpu that throttles itself even at stock settings like the new new p4s do because they are run so damn hot! Not to mention the recalls intel have done... and now the p4 4.0 ghz being cancelled! :p




Then bitch at the poster for putting "AMD" in the topic! :p
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At least intel announced that the new Prescott chips wouldn't work in older mobos without some work. AMD did no such thing. In fact, many of the mobo makers (cough, FUCK YOU GIGABYTEcough) claimed they did when they didn't. :mad:

I tried to fix my problem by doing research, and got lied to by a 'reputable' mobo maker into buying something that doesn't support 1/2 of what it claims to, including DDR400 memory, dual channel, 4 sata ports, and the 90nm cpus! (yes, the gigabyte that AMD recommends doesn't support any of that).

The 90nm thing is a debacle at best, and a disaster at worst. Worst launch ever, and most of the motherboards to support it are pure shit. Only the Asus and the Abit are any good, and I don't like having only 2 to choose from.

Thanks, but I might jump the fence when AMD gets a clue and get's it's act together. Till then, I'll go with the one that seems to have compatibility down pat. Performance is high enough on the intels for anything I'd need. I'll keep my S754 Laptop, but I'm not touching the 939's any time soon.
 
uclajd said:
Hey lopoetve,

Nice to see you somewhere other than the video card forums. :D

If I were buying a board today (which I might be), I'd get the DFI 875P-T , which is a 775 socket, but uses the 875 chipset, DDR, AGP. This board, being 875, doesn't have any of the overclocking limitations of the newer chipsets. I'd put in one of the newest Pressy steps (E0 stepping, either 3.4 or 3.6). See this thread:

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=833270

So far these E0 stepping 775s (aka, "J" steppings) seem to be doing ~4.5 on decent air, but that's just anecdotal since not many are available in the retail channel yet.

As great as the P4P800's are, they are not equipped for Prescotts without some rather serious modding if you intend to overclock. They have a voltage droop under load which hurts stability, and just are not designed for the power and heat issues that a Pressy presents. I just had a P4C800-DX modified pretty extensively in anticipation of getting my Vapochill: Droop mod, vcore, AGP, vdimm, and doubled the number of power capacitors and mofsets.

Without mods, I think these P4C/P4Ps will have very short lives if they are running overclocked Pressys.
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I'll take a serious look at that. Thanks :) How's DFI as a maker, never used one before?
 
lopoetve said:
I'll take a serious look at that. Thanks :) How's DFI as a maker, never used one before?
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I'd go with Abit or Asus first. There are socket LGA775 mobo's with the 865PE chipset from those manufactureres. Which are FAR superior in quality to DFI.
 
Sir-Fragalot said:
I'd go with Abit or Asus first. There are socket LGA775 mobo's with the 865PE chipset from those manufactureres. Which are FAR superior in quality to DFI.
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No offense, but I put more stock in guys like FUGGER at xtremesystems.org, who used this board to break the 6 GHz barrier:

DFI 875P-T @ 6.3+Ghz :eek:

Edit: Check out the Newegg reviews on this board.

And BTW, why go 865 when you can go 875?

I am buying this board; it's just a matter of time. :D
 
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