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AMD FX or Intel EE Dual Core

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RaphaelVinceti

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FX-55 or new Intel EE Dual Core? Like to multitask, and game. (multitasking being, ripping/burning and surfing, or installing/surfing.)
 
Hmmm, if you play games, the FX55 or even an AMD Dual-Core (when they ship) for best of both worlds. The 840EE doesn't give many performance benefits over the Pentium D for the price and can even be detrimental.
 
I agree, go with the FX-55 or maybe even the FX-57 :)
serbiaNem said:
Hmmm, if you play games, the FX55 or even an AMD Dual-Core (when they ship) for best of both worlds. The 840EE doesn't give many performance benefits over the Pentium D for the price and can even be detrimental.
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AMD will be my band wagon jump again.... Intel kindas been doing bad after the p3....... :rolleyes:
 
Welcome back :D

I had a 3.4c before the fx55 and now im waiting on the fx57

AMDXPCottonFire22 said:
AMD will be my band wagon jump again.... Intel kindas been doing bad after the p3....... :rolleyes:
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The high end AMD will gain you a 5-10% gaming advantage, but the high end intel will be much more responsive under load (ripping = load). I'd say the Intel carries more advantages for everything other than gaming.
 
Why waste the money on that FX55 now? Get a cheap 3000+ and overclock it a bit to save money, since you will be switching very soon.
 
steviep said:
The high end AMD will gain you a 5-10% gaming advantage, but the high end intel will be much more responsive under load (ripping = load). I'd say the Intel carries more advantages for everything other than gaming.
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Until the X2 comes out anyway.
 
AMDXPCottonFire22 said:
AMD will be my band wagon jump again.... Intel kindas been doing bad after the p3....... :rolleyes:
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what are you talking about??? intel had the fastest cpu's during almost all the lifespan of the XP's.... it wasent till their 64 that they started to jump ahead....
 
Fastest Clock speeds do not mean all that much. The XP series cores clocked lower and performed just as well. AMDs have always kicked ass in Gaming, though they lagged behind with the Multitasking... until now.
 
Yeah, the dual core A64s are looking to be monsters. So far the reviews have been showing that AMD is owning in everything now, and not just gaming anymore.
 
RaphaelVinceti said:
Fastest Clock speeds do not mean all that much. The XP series cores clocked lower and performed just as well. AMDs have always kicked ass in Gaming, though they lagged behind with the Multitasking... until now.
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Uh...before the A64, they never kicked ass.....

their xp cores were clocked lower, but they didn't match the p4's. (3200 xp got raped by a 2.8 p4 in almost everything)
 
stop turning this into a flame war pls.

From your description you are much better off with the FX chip. Since you said your multitasking was ripping and surfing the net, even an FX is plenty good for that. If you were going to be ripping and playing a game, that is where you would want dual core.

Also the X2s should be out around the same time as the FX-57 I would think, considering we haven't heard anything about a release date on the FX-57 and the X2s are gonig to be available in june, not that far away.
 
Please Lord not another one of these threads.

Listen, you will be happy with whatever processor you choose. They are both extremly high end and will be fast. Its not like just because one is better than the other at someting, the other cpu is going to suck balls. They are the fastest in their own bracket. Get whatever one YOU want. you will be happy. I swear.
 
I agree, but one may give you a .000000000000001123123 bigger epenis! lol :p

USMC2Hard4U said:
Please Lord not another one of these threads.

Listen, you will be happy with whatever processor you choose. They are both extremly high end and will be fast. Its not like just because one is better than the other at someting, the other cpu is going to suck balls. They are the fastest in their own bracket. Get whatever one YOU want. you will be happy. I swear.
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Nothing out there is coded for dualcore just yet (well, almost nothing), however there are lots of software that can use the HT on the P4EE, which will still give you a better multitasking experience, even with the AMD Dual Core. If you want a chip now, you'll be happy with either... but I stand by the opinion that P4 > AMD for multitasking, and the AMD > P4 for gaming (in every circumstance). Neither are THAT much better than eachother though.
 
steviep said:
Nothing out there is coded for dualcore just yet (well, almost nothing), however there are lots of software that can use the HT on the P4EE, which will still give you a better multitasking experience, even with the AMD Dual Core. If you want a chip now, you'll be happy with either... but I stand by the opinion that P4 > AMD for multitasking, and the AMD > P4 for gaming (in every circumstance). Neither are THAT much better than eachother though.
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You havent read the dual core reviews for AMD have you? AMD = with dual core kills Intel in everything. Yeah, its like that. Gaming, they own, now in any form of multi they own.
 
Alot of people are worried about Multithreaded app performance. Who cares about that?

Thats not why dual core is important Right now. Dual Core offers a superior computing expiraance due to the smoothness of operation. True, program will only operate on one core, but then when you start to due something else, it can start on the other core, allowing for now speed bumps. That is the real beauty of dual core right now, the fact that Multi threaded apps are comminng in the future is only icing on the cake.
 
In that case, i think im buying a cheaper A64 and a cheaper mobo, then up to the A64 X2 and the new socket when they hit the market
 
USMC2Hard4U said:
Alot of people are worried about Multithreaded app performance. Who cares about that?

Thats not why dual core is important Right now. Dual Core offers a superior computing expiraance due to the smoothness of operation. True, program will only operate on one core, but then when you start to due something else, it can start on the other core, allowing for now speed bumps. That is the real beauty of dual core right now, the fact that Multi threaded apps are comminng in the future is only icing on the cake.
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TBH that is not a good reason to get a dual core processor. A high end processor today has minimal lag opening new apps in every day use. The only time you would see a benefit is in professional apps. There really aren't many compelling reasons for an average user to get a dual core processor now, not until the true multithreaded apps come out will it be of any real benefit to get dual core.

Sure dual core may offer slightly quicker or smoother responses...but I mean how impatient are you that you cant wait half a second longer for the app to open?!
 
Ever try running a virus/ad/spyware scan at the same time, while d/ling a new demo, and then try to play a game to waste the time? sorry, but even the fx-55 sucks at that. I have to resort to using my x-box (i hate consoles, but i got that for Steel Battalion.. Alright... so i got it for the controler). Dual core is definatly going to be a help on that issue
 
RaphaelVinceti said:
Ever try running a virus/ad/spyware scan at the same time, while d/ling a new demo, and then try to play a game to waste the time? sorry, but even the fx-55 sucks at that. I have to resort to using my x-box (i hate consoles, but i got that for Steel Battalion.. Alright... so i got it for the controler). Dual core is definatly going to be a help on that issue
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True that.

I watch TV on my 2nd Monitor with my PVR. that takes up like 13% CPU, then if it happends to be at 10pm. My Antivirus runs its scan.... Their is more CPU resources needed. So If I wanted to surf and stuff it would not be as fast on a single core at all.....
 
Vapor1000 said:
what are you talking about??? intel had the fastest cpu's during almost all the lifespan of the XP's.... it wasent till their 64 that they started to jump ahead....
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Guys just cool it...This thread is a flame thrower waitin to shoot out :( ..Either FX or Dual core Intel will perform really good....their prices are also XPENSIVE ;)
 
They're both powerful chips, but given that AMD's dual core implementation is clearly FAR superior, get a 3000+ Venice or so for now, overclock it a bit, upgrade to an X2 later. If you go with a P4-EE right now, you will be unable to upgrade when Intel's (maybe) competitive dual-core P4s eventually come out and have to be migrated to a new socket and chipset due to the massive overhauls that will need to be made to compete with A64-X2's, as well as the horrible bandwidth limitations of a 775 pin socket. With almost any Socket 939 board, all you'll need is a BIOS flash to use any X2 you like.

Also, the usual arguments apply, the AMD chips will run FAR cooler, use less power, and overclock further without application of liquid or phase change cooling. :roll: (And cost less right now.)
 
Im planning on Phase cooling my proc anyway. I was considering Phase cooling the entire system, but that case is too damn big. So im going to get a Vaporchill LS, and have a case designed so i can put it in it, as well as a liquid cooling setup for the GPUs
 
there is very little gaming increase from dual core yet, and even the most expensive dual core athlon 64 is not a patch on the cheaper fx-55 in gaming.
by the time unreal 3 engine games come out that can use the dual core, there will be better things out there.
get an fx-55 , and with the rest of your cash get better phase change/better ram/ dual graphics cards...
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steviep said:
Nothing out there is coded for dualcore just yet (well, almost nothing), however there are lots of software that can use the HT on the P4EE, which will still give you a better multitasking experience, even with the AMD Dual Core. If you want a chip now, you'll be happy with either... but I stand by the opinion that P4 > AMD for multitasking, and the AMD > P4 for gaming (in every circumstance). Neither are THAT much better than eachother though.
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Wow, the amount of people who think that software cares about the differences between HT and Dual Core or SMP is staggering. Where do you get this stuff? Just make it up?

For those who still dont get it:

Software that is multithreaded DOES NOT CARE if the 2nd cpu in a system is a logical HT one, a dual core one, or a SMP one. It will run. The dual cores and SMP however, will stomp the everloving shit out of a HT logical processor performance wise.
 
Steel Chicken said:
Wow, the amount of people who think that software cares about the differences between HT and Dual Core or SMP is staggering. Where do you get this stuff? Just make it up?

For those who still dont get it:

Software that is multithreaded DOES NOT CARE if the 2nd cpu in a system is a logical HT one, a dual core one, or a SMP one. It will run. The dual cores and SMP however, will stomp the everloving shit out of a HT logical processor performance wise.
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yeah, quite a bit of confusion:

multi processors: system has more than one separate processor. windows/software should make sure to provide threads to each one to increase performance

dual core: same as above, but there are two "brains" on one physical chip. this is indistinguishable on the software level from having two physical chips (except perhaps for driver optimization, but that's a different story).

hyper threading: because of design aspects of the p4, it's pipeline is not filled up most of the time. by telling windows that the single p4 processor is more than one processor, the increased workload of multiple threads is better able to fill up the long pipeline. because of this, the processor is more fully used. again, no special coding is required for this, just having the bios simulate multiple processors. windows/software treats the system as if it had more than one processor

again, hyperthreading is not really multi processor, it's just tricking windows into using all the resources available on the single processor. two real processors (whether on one or multiple chips) will perform better than a hyperthreaded p4 in multithreaded applications (of which windows xp is). even if the individual apps are not coded to use multiple processors, windows does a good job of balancing multiple single-threaded programs so that multitasking "feels smoother"

without being a fan of either side, dual core will feel just as efficient in windows as hyperthreading, with amd possibly feeling a bit snappier because of their better execution of dual core architecture and lower latencies inherent
 
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