AMD AT CES

Discussion in 'AMD Processors' started by DigitalPanhandler, Jan 5, 2019.

  1. Chimpee

    Chimpee [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,269
    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2015
    Really good year for Ryzen, I am also excited to see what Intel brings to the table at the end of 2019. Just feel like a great year for CPU, haven't felt like this since the Athlon days.
     
  2. Entilza

    Entilza Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    183
    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2012
    Sign me up for a new Ryzen procesor... Now just to wait, lol.
     
    elite.mafia likes this.
  3. cyberguyz

    cyberguyz Gawd

    Messages:
    706
    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2014
    *eyes my TR 1950X* - I would be more than open to a 3950X TR.
     
  4. capnstabn

    capnstabn Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    410
    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2006
    That is good news. But judging by their pricing on the new Radeon, I am not sure how much cheaper they will go. I was hoping the new Radeon would beat Nvidia on price -> performance on not match it.
     
  5. Algrim

    Algrim [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,280
    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2016
    They don't need to be cheaper if they perform similarly and use approximately the same power (or less).
     
  6. Digital Viper-X-

    Digital Viper-X- [H]ardForum Junkie

    Messages:
    13,450
    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2000
    if you follow the leaks, it should be a fair bit cheaper, the 12 & 16 core being closer in price.

    Look at the current landscape, current 8 Core AMD chips are over $250 cheaper than the 9900k :) (Canadian)
     
  7. bobzdar

    bobzdar [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,539
    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2003
    N4CR likes this.
  8. bobzdar

    bobzdar [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,539
    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2003
    In conjunction meaning when they release next gen tr, they may also add the 2nd chiplet to ryzen. A staggered launch, hit intel with the 8c/16t parts first at half their pricing, then roll out 16c/32t am4 and 64c/128t tr4 in the fall when intel release their 10th gen core parts.

    No need to wait, Su basically confirmed it.
     
  9. Reality

    Reality [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,869
    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2003
    really wanted to see some Ryzen 2 numbers or something concrete
     
    LightsOut41 likes this.
  10. /dev/null

    /dev/null [H]ardForum Junkie

    Messages:
    13,578
    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2001
    For me the biggest news was pci-e 4.0. Great platform update. I assume this is double the bandwidth again? Just need oems to start making storage adapters, nvme adapters, etc. Has anyone heard about any new NVME ssds using 2 lanes instead of 4, and maybe some card to drop 8 nvme in one x16 pci-4.0 slot? I'd love to see 10Gbit/s nics coming out in x1 form factors so you can stick them in any slot.

    If the 16C/32T AM4 parts are $399 in bulk, and $349 + $30 off motherboard @ MC or cheaper, I think it'll finally be time to upgrade my linux (i7-4770k) workstation :) I think my i5-8400 (gaming box) has a couple years left before I hand it down to the wife, unless games requiring more than 6 cores come in sooner rather than later.

    I almost replaced it with TR but didn't like the power consumption+price.
     
  11. tangoseal

    tangoseal [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    6,548
    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2010
  12. Boil

    Boil [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,177
    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2015
    There is a good chance that the Zen 2 that was shown at the AMD CES keynote was actually the Ryzen 5 3600 CPU, which would be the middle of the pack for Zen 2...

    There are Ryzen 3 CPUs that will perform lower than the demoed R5, and there are R7s (12c/24t) & R9s (16c/32t) that will perform higher,,,

    I am excited to see what the rumored APUs will bring to the table, looking at that R5 3600G, 8c/16t & Navi graphics...
     
  13. stashix

    stashix Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    252
    Joined:
    May 25, 2016
    Looks like red will be replacing blue on my end.
     
  14. bobzdar

    bobzdar [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,539
    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2003
    I'm guessing 3600X, but yeah. They were essentially showing a mid range r5 cpu against Intel's top of the line i9 desktop cpu.
     
  15. kllrnohj

    kllrnohj [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    6,857
    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2003
    4 chiplets would be 32c/64t. They already sell a threadripper with those specs, so they're definitely going to sell the zen2 version.

    The 8 chiplet one is the 64c/128t, and AMD already publicly stated that the 64c/128t Epyc Rome will be socket-compatible upgrade. Since TR4 is the same physical socket as SP3 it definitely has the pins necessary for 64c/128t. Will AMD actually *sell* a 64c threadripper 3 is a different question, but the hardware should be there to do it, and the physical space is definitely there.
     
  16. UberHaus

    UberHaus n00bie

    Messages:
    6
    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2018
    The next gen APUs could be a huge value for budget gamers. Any chance they support raytracing?
     
  17. Epyon

    Epyon Gawd

    Messages:
    806
    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2001

    I thought we were not going to see 64 core TR because it would eat epyc sales and that we would only get 48 core? I would love to see 48 core TR tho.
     
  18. kllrnohj

    kllrnohj [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    6,857
    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2003
    There is always that possibility that AMD decides not to do it for market segmentation reasons. I was just referring to whether or not the socket can actually do it.

    But we currently have a 32c/64t threadripper despite Epyc topping out at 32c/64t as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if we get a 64c/128t threadripper at some point, too (maybe the mid-generation refresh of it before zen3?). Epyc has enough other distinguishing features that TR doesn't really eat into its sales (double the memory channels, more PCI-E lanes, multi-socket support, etc...)
     
  19. sirmonkey1985

    sirmonkey1985 [H]ard|DCer of the Month - July 2010

    Messages:
    20,829
    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2008
    Yeah wouldn't surprise me if we see 48 and 64 core tr 3970/90wx chips as well with non wx being 16 24 and 32.. at least from the tr presentation it seems to me like they're trying to shift tr to be high performance epyc.
     
  20. chithanh

    chithanh Gawd

    Messages:
    749
    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2010
    The current product differentiation between Threadripper and Epyc is not the core count. It is RDIMM/LRDIMM/NVDIMM support, more PCIe lanes, dual socket capability (except Epyc P series), and enterprise features. I don't expect this to change.

    Rather, I predict that we will go from 8 core AM4 / 32 core TR4 / 32 core SP3 platform to 16 core AM4 / 64 core TR4 / 64 core SP3.

    Also I don't think that AMD needs to stay with the WX branding for the higher core count Threadrippers. The NUMA situation will be more relaxed due to the single I/O die. The negative scaling which we observed going from 2950X to 2990WX with some applications will probably go away.
     
    mashie, noko and Nobu like this.
  21. elite.mafia

    elite.mafia Broke Back [H]

    Messages:
    10,639
    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2004
    Personally I'm a bit disappointed that they didn't say anything regarding the rumors. And it also makes me think that if they are showing a 8 core 16 thread chip being about on par with a 9900k, if not edging it slightly in that specific benchmark, there is no way they sell that chip for $200 cheaper than a 9900k. That makes 0 business sense.
     
  22. cyberguyz

    cyberguyz Gawd

    Messages:
    706
    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2014
    Actually it makes tons of business sense. AMD knows they have a reputation as being a less costly solution compared to Intel. You can bet your boots that they will compete hard on both the performance and value fronts. And being less costly than Intel causes consumers (us) to look to them for our computing needs.
     
  23. Pieter3dnow

    Pieter3dnow [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    6,172
    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2009
    AMD has to sell cpu if they are going to price them the same way Intel does then AMD will never get anywhere. They have to move them they have to get it right if Ryzen 3000 series does not completely blow Intel away then it does not look good for AMD.
    Selling more cpu at lower prices to get benefits of higher core count in the desktop market is needed that is where AMD really outperforms Intel.
     
  24. Nobu

    Nobu 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,408
    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2007
    If that were the case would they have started selling that high freq epic chip they released recently?
     
  25. CAD4466HK

    CAD4466HK Gawd

    Messages:
    799
    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2008
    I remember a time when you had to have more than the average Joe 6-pack's monthly income, to afford a flagship Intel OR AMD chip. Back when the Athlon 64 was king and Intel was still trying to pimp their Expensive Edition silicon, AMD demanded a $1000 for the FX-51,FX-53,FX-55,FX-57,FX-60 ($1100),FX-62,FX-70,FX-72,FX-74.

    And let's not forget the audacity that AMD had for trying to sell a FX-9590 for $920. The point is if AMD knows they are king of the hill, you can bet they will price their chips accordingly. Because at the end of the day, both AMD and Intel are just money hungry corporations trying to please their shareholders.

    And yes there will be an uproar from the filthy masses crying and moaning that AMD did them wrong because they supported the "under dog", while the rest will be patiently hitting F5 on their browsers to pre-order that shiny new silicon.
     
  26. PliotronX

    PliotronX [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    2,020
    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2000
    Intel: "we are announcing CPUs with GPUs disabled. Somehow for more than those with them enabled."

    :D

    Never thought I'd see the return of AMD parts being more power efficient the way PD was going.
     
    sirmonkey1985 likes this.
  27. Chimpee

    Chimpee [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,269
    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2015
    Probably doesn't help they are stuck in 14nm hell for 2 years already, but at least the end is near for Intel as they seem to finally resolve their 10nm debacle.
     
  28. Gideon

    Gideon [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,851
    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2006
    Been hearing that for years, I bet all you see out of 10nm is notebook processors this year.
     
    Nathan_P and sirmonkey1985 like this.
  29. Chimpee

    Chimpee [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,269
    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2015
    LOL, I am not discounting that Intel may still stumble this year, but after reading Kyle coverage of Intel Architecture Day, it does feel like they finally have a direction to go compare to the previous 2 years.
     
    Gideon likes this.
  30. sirmonkey1985

    sirmonkey1985 [H]ard|DCer of the Month - July 2010

    Messages:
    20,829
    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2008

    Completely agree. I wouldn't be surprised if prices go up 100 bucks more for this launch since there's room between the 2700x and 9900k to do it. If the performance is there I won't have a problem with it. Always thought the 2700x was under priced anyways compared to Intel but it's allowed them to get through the door to take some of the desktop market from Intel.
     
    CAD4466HK likes this.
  31. bobzdar

    bobzdar [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,539
    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2003
    They will absolutely stratify the stack - 8c/16t will be in the $399 range for the 3600x (imo). But, 12c and 16c will be $50 cheaper than the tr4 chips at those marks, so $599 and $779-799 respectively for the X models (and non-x another $100 cheaper). Then tr4 will start at 16c and go to 64c - getting quad channel ram (and 100mhz more) in the base 16c for that extra $100. I think we'll see the 12c tr4 go away and the only overlap will be the 16c part.
     
    CAD4466HK likes this.
  32. Pieter3dnow

    Pieter3dnow [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    6,172
    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2009
    Originally I thought that 1st generation Threadripper should come in at $1600 while others thought close to $2000 if you looked at Intel. And we all know where that ended up .....
     
  33. Nobu

    Nobu 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,408
    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2007
    $600-800, iirc.
     
    Pieter3dnow likes this.
  34. aduljr

    aduljr n00bie

    Messages:
    22
    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2017
    I don't think AMD is going to increase prices here, I see the 8 core coming in around the same price as the current one. 12 core at 100 bucks more, and 16 core 100 bucks more than that. We could say that 330 for the 8core 430 for the 12 core, and 530 for the 16 core.
     
  35. tangoseal

    tangoseal [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    6,548
    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2010
    I dont think it would eat. Epyc has 8 channel ram and a host of server specific functions whilst the tr would be neutered I would think.
     
  36. _mockingbird

    _mockingbird Gawd

    Messages:
    698
    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2017
    Those are not "leaks", those are fakes.

    AMD don't name nor price its products until close to release.


    It is not the Ryzen 5 3600.

    It doesn't have a name yet.

    AMD don't name its products until close to release.

    See above.

    I would guess that it would sell around the same price as what Ryzen 7 2700X was selling for.

    I would guess the the 8-cores is around the same price as Ryzen 7 2700X.

    12-cores for $500 and 16-cores for $700
     
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2019 at 12:18 AM
  37. Digital Viper-X-

    Digital Viper-X- [H]ardForum Junkie

    Messages:
    13,450
    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2000
    if they're at the point where they demo it on stage, and just say not final clocks, I'd say they're close to release.(2h is 5 months away!)

    I had an AMD Radeon ES that had a name =p it was 2-3months from release!
     
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2019 at 12:51 PM
  38. _mockingbird

    _mockingbird Gawd

    Messages:
    698
    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2017
    I don't even understand what you said.
     
  39. sirmonkey1985

    sirmonkey1985 [H]ard|DCer of the Month - July 2010

    Messages:
    20,829
    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2008
    From some of motherboard manufactures sources at ces the delay seems to be the 500 series chipset motherboards so amd is holding off releasing zen 2 til then.
     
  40. Calavaro

    Calavaro Whiskey & Honey

    Messages:
    8,002
    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2001
    AMD will not increase prices in any meaningful way. 2 main reasons.

    1. Customers will cry foul and all the goodwill AMD has built up the past 2 CPU generations are gone in an instant.
    2. If AMD increases price to Intel level, AMD is killing any CPU marketshare growth right then and there. AMD needs to be cheaper to wrestle marketshare and keep sales high. Buyers are emotional buyers and buy things based on feeling. We all now feel that AMD is right on point with performance and price. They'll move prices by US$ 10-30 SKU to SKU. Eg. a 2700X launched at US$329 (now cheaper) will be priced similarly with the 3700X equivalent (naming TBA) - maybe a few dollars more or less.

    Finally, the maximum price AMD will charge for the rumored Ryzen 9 3800 series will be US$ 499 (with a lower binned R9 at US$50-75 less). Same as the launch price of the Ryzen 7 1800x...

    There is nothing to suggest AMD will increase prices at all SKU to new gen SKU. Stop thinking Intel price raping, and start thinking reasonable.
     
    otg and LightsOut41 like this.