All the Ati Hating - why you should stop

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For all the loyalists, I wish you would stop the hating on Ati. Why? Because all companies usually have a feature that accelerates the gaming industry. Look at the 9700 Pro for instance, a card I'll never forget. This thing accelerated full scene Anti Aliasing to new levels and made it a playable, "must have" feature. Look where it's at today. Now certainly, Ati did not "create" Anti Aliasing....but it sure did further maximize it and it's come a long way. It's evolved. Nvidia fueled 32 bit color with the TNT. 3dfx with SLI. Ati with AA/AF. Shit even S3 with S3TC. Nvidia with SM 3.0, currently to be used on R520. All technologies that've been used and evolved and will be used.

SLI evolved from two foot long cards with two TMU's and 12 mb of EDO memory to what it is today. Full screen 1920x1440 gaming with maxed out AA/AF. Gotta love 3dfx for that right? Well, Ati has come up with interesting concepts, it's fueled different technology into the industry, and no matter what you may think of R520 or Crossfire, it's simply unreal to see people hate Ati. They've done too much good for the industry. Somewhere down the line, Ati will introduce a feature and Nvidia will pick up on it and further maximize it. What I'm getting at here is that WE the gamers do not lose. We win. The advancements made evolve and become better and better. It's win win situation for us. I'm not forcing you to love or hate one company. I'm with Nvidia right now and own a GTX. Fine and dandy. I previously have had 9700 Pro's, 9800 Pro's, X800's, you name it. Competition = win. :cool
I don't expect you to look at R520 and IF it's a steaming pile of shit, call it amazing. But at least look at the feature set and where it's evolved.
 
a: appreciate it if you stop telling me/us what to do.
b: free country still Ill hate and like what ever I like
c: get over it.
 
I think everyone's major gripe right now is just the poor performance that has been shown from crossfire. But thats ok IMO at this point, since it is basically showing performance on par with 6 series SLI or better in most cases.

Now if the R520 benchies show the same performance, it will be hard to justify using crossfire this early in the game.
 
people still hate on nvidia for the fx line, now its ati's turn to take some bashing k thx.
 
Just because you like a company, you should not let them serve you a steaming pile of poo and call it cake.

Unlike a lot of people I really like Microsoft Operating Systems. However, ME was a buggy pile of bloated crap and I was not afraid to say it.

Why would you be loyal to a company that is only loyal to your wallet and could give a flying f*** about you?

If NVIDIA was the only GPU maker in the world, we would still have mutli page threads of BFG vs EVGA.
 
ShuttleLuv said:
For all the loyalists, you really should stop the hating on Ati. Why you ask? Because all companies usually have a feature that accelerates the gaming industry. Look at the 9700 Pro for instance, a card I'll never forget. This thing accelerated full scene Anti Aliasing to new levels and made it a playable "must have" feature. Look where it's at today. Now certainly, Ati did not "create" Anti Aliasing....but it further developed it and it's come a long way. It's evolved.

SLI evolved from two foot long cards with two TMU's and 12 mb of EDO memory to what it is today. Full screen 1920x1440 gaming with maxed out AA/AF. Gotta thank 3dfx for that right? Well Ati has come up with interesting concepts, it's fueled different technology into the industry, and no matter what you may think of R520 or Crossfire, it's simply unreal to see people hate Ati. They've done too much good for the industry. Somewhere down the line, Ati will introduce a feature and Nvidia will pick up on it and further maximize it. What I'm getting at here is that WE the gamers do not lose. We win. The advancements made evolve and become better and better. It's win win situation for us. I'm not forcing you to love or hate one company. I'm with Nvidia right now and own a GTX. Fine and dandy. I previously have had 9700 Pro's, 9800 Pro's, X800's, you name it. Competition = win. :cool:
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What sort of fascism is this?
 
I think everyone's major gripe right now is just the poor performance that has been shown from crossfire. But thats ok IMO at this point, since it is basically showing performance on par with 6 series SLI or better in most cases.
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Think about it a first generation Dual GPU Solution that shows performance as either equal or on par with a Solution thats been on the market for a year. Cross fire has Premature Drivers and lots of tweaking yet still its = or better than SLi (Talking about 6 series SLI). Cross Fire has lots of Potential. Im suprised at how people are reacting to this guy though. He came with nothing but wise words yet people bash him and are basicly telling him that its good to hate. No no what he reallly means is dont make your anger so personal. Just calm down dont try to impress people with how angry you can get over a bad product. Look at it rationaly and state the facts without making your posts provoke people into flamign you back.
Oh yeah Prime1 I love MS's OS's too and Windows ME was an odd one for me. On my Sony Vaio it was great no problems what so ever. But on my Dads Dimension Desktop and my moms Computer it was a Buggy POS that I hated to deal with. None the less 2 cases vs 1 makes me dislike it. WIndows 2000 all the way baby!
 
Remember the 8500?

That thing ran horribly with AA on.

It took some driver updates to fix that.

And it showed in the 9700's.

:]
 
ShuttleLuv said:
For all the loyalists, you really should stop the hating on Ati. Why you ask? Because all companies usually have a feature that accelerates the gaming industry. Look at the 9700 Pro for instance, a card I'll never forget. This thing accelerated full scene Anti Aliasing to new levels and made it a playable "must have" feature. Look where it's at today. Now certainly, Ati did not "create" Anti Aliasing....but it further developed it and it's come a long way. It's evolved.

SLI evolved from two foot long cards with two TMU's and 12 mb of EDO memory to what it is today. Full screen 1920x1440 gaming with maxed out AA/AF. Gotta thank 3dfx for that right? Well Ati has come up with interesting concepts, it's fueled different technology into the industry, and no matter what you may think of R520 or Crossfire, it's simply unreal to see people hate Ati. They've done too much good for the industry. Somewhere down the line, Ati will introduce a feature and Nvidia will pick up on it and further maximize it. What I'm getting at here is that WE the gamers do not lose. We win. The advancements made evolve and become better and better. It's win win situation for us. I'm not forcing you to love or hate one company. I'm with Nvidia right now and own a GTX. Fine and dandy. I previously have had 9700 Pro's, 9800 Pro's, X800's, you name it. Competition = win. :cool:
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yeah, what were we all thinking...talking about videocards...when we could be singing kumbayah and talking about the good ole days...

*vomit*
 
{NG}Fidel said:
Think about it a first generation Dual GPU Solution that shows performance as either equal or on par with a Solution thats been on the market for a year. Cross fire has Premature Drivers and lots of tweaking yet still its = or better than SLi (Talking about 6 series SLI). Cross Fire has lots of Potential. Im suprised at how people are reacting to this guy though. He came with nothing but wise words yet people bash him and are basicly telling him that its good to hate. No no what he reallly means is dont make your anger so personal. Just calm down dont try to impress people with how angry you can get over a bad product. Look at it rationaly and state the facts without making your posts provoke people into flamign you back.
Oh yeah Prime1 I love MS's OS's too and Windows ME was an odd one for me. On my Sony Vaio it was great no problems what so ever. But on my Dads Dimension Desktop and my moms Computer it was a Buggy POS that I hated to deal with. None the less 2 cases vs 1 makes me dislike it. WIndows 2000 all the way baby!
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Equal to SLI? Did you miss the part where you CAN'T GO OVER 1600X1200 60HZ???

:rolleyes: :eek:
 
{NG}Fidel said:
He came with nothing but wise words yet people bash him and are basicly telling him that its good to hate. No no what he reallly means is dont make your anger so personal. Just calm down dont try to impress people with how angry you can get over a bad product. Look at it rationaly and state the facts without making your posts provoke people into flamign you back.
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While personal attacks is going over the line, IMO there is nothing wrong with picking sides and "hating" ati, nvidia, etc. Let's be honest, for the average joe gamer even a POS FX 5900XT would be just fine. All of the people here enjoy getting the best of the best, and part of that is personal preference.

Look at it rationally and state the facts? The facts are known within 2 hours of NDA expiring. So what is everyone supposed to do after the facts are laid out? Fold up shop and logout of the forum for a year? The forum you describe sounds rather sterile, boring, and dead compared to HardOCP's, and not one that I'd enjoy much.
 
{NG}Fidel said:
Im talking Performance here Empty. I hate that limit though.
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Man...that IS performance...I think most people agree that that resolution limitation makes CrossFire practically useless given the cost of a master card and a new motherboard...

speaking of...has anyone actually seen these boards for sale today?
 
good enough. they finally drag out crossfire now all we have to wait for is for them to get their software together and tweak up the hardware. but if we wait until next week theres kind of a chance things will be better when they finally drag out their next gen card. unless, of course we have to wait for them to get the software together for that, and wait for them to tweak up that hardware. i guess theres no reason to actually hate ati, but they (ati) are making it extremely difficult to like them.


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politenessman


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ShuttleLuv said:
For all the loyalists, you really should stop the hating on Ati. Why you ask? Because all companies usually have a feature that accelerates the gaming industry. Look at the 9700 Pro for instance, a card I'll never forget. This thing accelerated full scene Anti Aliasing to new levels and made it a playable "must have" feature. Look where it's at today. Now certainly, Ati did not "create" Anti Aliasing....but it further developed it and it's come a long way. It's evolved.

SLI evolved from two foot long cards with two TMU's and 12 mb of EDO memory to what it is today. Full screen 1920x1440 gaming with maxed out AA/AF. Gotta thank 3dfx for that right? Well Ati has come up with interesting concepts, it's fueled different technology into the industry, and no matter what you may think of R520 or Crossfire, it's simply unreal to see people hate Ati. They've done too much good for the industry. Somewhere down the line, Ati will introduce a feature and Nvidia will pick up on it and further maximize it. What I'm getting at here is that WE the gamers do not lose. We win. The advancements made evolve and become better and better. It's win win situation for us. I'm not forcing you to love or hate one company. I'm with Nvidia right now and own a GTX. Fine and dandy. I previously have had 9700 Pro's, 9800 Pro's, X800's, you name it. Competition = win. :cool:
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u just make made my look at it from a differnt light thank you...and to the rest of u assholes.....shut up
 
tvdang7 said:
u just make made my look at it from a differnt light thank you...and to the rest of u assholes.....shut up
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another champion of the old socratic debate.


very truly yours,
politenessman
 
tvdang7 said:
u just make made my look at it from a differnt light thank you...and to the rest of u assholes.....shut up
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Meh. It sux, and there's no way to sugar coat it.
 
^eMpTy^ said:
Equal to SLI? Did you miss the part where you CAN'T GO OVER 1600X1200 60HZ???

:rolleyes: :eek:
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Not for the R520 cards. That only applies to the X850 CrossFire Edition. The same limitation isn't there for the R520 based cards.
 
Whoa. What's with the hating?? :eek:

Just rambling. If you don't wanna read it, don't. Just my humble opinion that I wish people would follow. ;) Not forcing you to do anything, just wish you'd all give Ati a chance and or at least respect them. We didn't quit on Nvidia with their Leaf Blower series....and we didn't quit on 3dfx with it's Voodoo3 series. We just waited till Voodoo5 to do that. ;)
 
Shameless Liar said:
Not for the R520 cards. That only applies to the X850 CrossFire Edition. The same limitation isn't there for the R520 based cards.
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I did not see those benchmarks. What site was that on?
 
Shameless Liar said:
Not for the R520 cards. That only applies to the X850 CrossFire Edition. The same limitation isn't there for the R520 based cards.
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This is an assumption...we're all hoping that it's true...but it's ONLY an assumption right now...
 
tvdang7 said:
u just make made my look at it from a differnt light thank you...and to the rest of u assholes.....shut up
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Bill? Bill O'Rielly is that you?
 
I honestly don't see this thread going anywhere productive.
 
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