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agp or pci-e

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from what i have gathered you would get a performance boost but not much for the price if you have a 9800 pro. I reccommend staying with what you got for now and look into getting a 6800 vanilla. Then use this guide ( http://www.ocia.net/articles/6800/6800.shtml ) and unlock/OC it to get close to a 6800 gt. In the long run it will be better. But thats just my 3 cents.
 
yeah, that's basically the conclusion which I've come to. I'm probably going to stick it out a bit longer though, as options are quite limited to cards with dual-dvi outputs
 
For a more future friendly card, I would go with PCI-X but they are spendy and there is nothing that utilized the bandwidth those cards are capable of. I have a PCI-X X800 and love it...then again I should for $600. :)
 
Yeah, there is no real advantage to going PCI-E except for the future-proofing factor. I think that at the very least the next round of new cards from ATi/Nvidia will offer AGP even on the high-end.
 
Mogwai said:
For a more future friendly card, I would go with PCI-X but they are spendy and there is nothing that utilized the bandwidth those cards are capable of. I have a PCI-X X800 and love it...then again I should for $600. :)
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No, you have a PCIe x800
 
hahah ecs...

i love how you are getting an nvidia video card, it totally matches your sn. :rolleyes:

keep your current setup, no need to upgrade, and by the time you do need to upgrade, pci-x will be more mature and more widely spread.
 
for the love of god, pcix != pcie, they are not the same thing, please stop confusing them
 
Dr. X said:
for the love of god, pcix != pcie, they are not the same thing, please stop confusing them
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LOL, I see this all the time. Someone calls a PCI-E card a PCI-X card and then a more informed [H]'r calls them an idiot (essentially).

Go easy on the n00bs, you knew what they meant. ;)
 
Well, here in the context of the video card forum it may be easy to figure out what people mean, but move a little broader and everyone will be confused as hell.
 
Dr. X said:
Well, here in the context of the video card forum it may be easy to figure out what people mean, but move a little broader and everyone will be confused as hell.
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Good point. :D
 
Archer1212 said:
from what i have gathered you would get a performance boost but not much for the price if you have a 9800 pro. I reccommend staying with what you got for now and look into getting a 6800 vanilla. Then use this guide ( http://www.ocia.net/articles/6800/6800.shtml ) and unlock/OC it to get close to a 6800 gt. In the long run it will be better. But thats just my 3 cents.
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Unlocking is a real gamble. For the price of a PCIe 6800 vanilla (which has been somewhat high from what I've seen) I'd look at a Radeon X800XL, which has all 16 pipes already. Mine easily beats the AGP 6800NU that I had before. My 6800NU did not unlock without corruption, like many others; it's luck of the draw.
 
To be honest, in real-world terms; PCI-E is just AGP 16x under a different name. It offers more bandwidth, but seeng as even the most modern, top-spec cards don't push AGP 8x's bandwidth, PCI-E is only really sensible if you're building a brand-new machine, to save future upgrades, and even then it's not actually necessary. The only performance increase you'd get with PCI-E is if you got two identical cards and put them in SLI. As it is, AGP is just as good, currently cheaper due to the PCI-E explosion, and is still going to be in use for a few years yet - otherwise, why would ATi/nVidia be producing AGP versions of their top end cards?
 
well, i might just get some killer video card cooling and oc the bajeezes out of my 9800 pro, thx.
 
Wally said:
To be honest, in real-world terms; PCI-E is just AGP 16x under a different name.
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Umm, no. PCI-e is a universal bus, like PCI 32 bit, how many AGP slots max on a motherboard? One. How many PCI-e on a motherboard? Current ones have 20-24 lanes. PCI-e 1x can be used for modems, soundcards, USB ports, anything you want. They're here to phase out AGP and PCI. AGP can only be used for a graphics card.
 
Lol, I've seen posts like these about 20 times...go PCI-E, you won't regret it in the future. So yea, it has excessive bandwidth, but this will be justified in the future as gaming developers keep bringin it to da max.
 
are there any unlockable pci-e cards

all these fun softmods only seem to work for agp flavors :(
 
Specialist[X] said:
well that sucks :( too bad for nu pcie owners then.
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like me.

but I can overclock from the stock 350/600 to 463/842, which makes up for some of those locked pipes and things.
 
i have a gf 6800NU (AGP) as in my sig, unlocked and overclocked perfectly
 
Project_2501 said:
Umm, no. PCI-e is a universal bus, like PCI 32 bit, how many AGP slots max on a motherboard? One. How many PCI-e on a motherboard? Current ones have 20-24 lanes. PCI-e 1x can be used for modems, soundcards, USB ports, anything you want. They're here to phase out AGP and PCI. AGP can only be used for a graphics card.
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Yeah, i knwo this, but i was making a comparison of the real-world advantages - none, yet.
 
There are so many different 6800s to choose from for overclocking. Does anyone know of a specific card that lends itself to successful OCing?
 
booyaa said:
There are so many different 6800s to choose from for overclocking. Does anyone know of a specific card that lends itself to successful OCing?
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well not neccessarily since most of them are nvidia reference boards and design, therefore they should all do pretty well, unless they do something like asus who kinda goes waaay off and does their own thing.

ex: like their 6800nu having 256 video ram and diff clock speeds.

but i would go for something from bfg or evga or gainward as my top 3 choices.
 
Wally said:
Yeah, i knwo this, but i was making a comparison of the real-world advantages - none, yet.
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The real advantages don't come in the form of the slot itself, but in the additional features that come with a PCIe mainboard. Options like four or eight SATA ports instead of two or four, in many cases (NForce4 Ultra always) four of them being the new SATA2 ports. Improved RAID setup if you have multiple hard disks. ActiveArmor firewall (NForce4 Ultra again). And of course, PCIe is well accepted enough and works well enough that even if there aren't any major advantages currently, AGP will be phased out, so if you're thinking of upgrading a graphics card, doing the mainboard too is at least worth the thought. Some PCIe cards like the Geforce 6600GT and Radeon X800XL are cheaper than their AGP counterparts, making a choice to use the saved money towards a new motherboard a good option. In many cases if you have a recent mainboard board, and an AGP graphics card, you can make enough off of selling them to pay for the mainboard at least, leaving just the cost of the graphics card, making this a very viable option(assuming of course, that you don't need a new power supply or CPU).
 
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