AGP better than PCI-E? how?

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100 points isn't enough to matter, I could sneeze and make my score 100 points higher or lower. I would call that equal.
 
woa!!.. a whole 100 points!
I wish I could get 100 points out of my cards..




oh wait.. if I change the wallpaper on windows xp to something more simple, I can probably get it.. sigh.
 
I'd also chalk it up to margin of error. Slight hardware differences, software differences...there are a whole variety of differences that could have made the measly 100pt difference.
 
No current games need anything higher than AGP4x...

Terra - My AGP rig is still kicking :p ;)
 
Terra said:
No current games need anything higher than AGP4x...

Terra - My AGP rig is still kicking :p ;)
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Your right.. BUT, any agp board that has x4 agp will also have an older socket.

old socket = slower processor.
slower processor = lower fsb
lower fsb = less info can be computed by your already weak processor.
less info computed = slower game.
 
lloose said:
Proof? (not from another forum please).
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There have been a number of benchmarks (google them or ask a friend with AGP to bench) showing that the difference between running an AGP card at 8x and 4x is negligible. Thats why many people were upset when the switch to PCI-E occured because it was obvious that the full eight lanes of AGP weren't saturated. Of course something like SLI or Crossfire would, which is probably one among many other reasons for the switch.
 
i would love to see a 7950x2 running on a dell 2405 with details all high, max res, use AGP 4x.
 
the PCI-e is (or so i am told) cheaper to build for, and is also some form future proofing for when games/graphics cards really NEED that bandwidth... quad SLI would most likely be limited by AGP.
 
Terra said:
No current games need anything higher than AGP4x...

Terra - My AGP rig is still kicking :p ;)
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you cant tell me new hardware wouldn't be bottlenecked by AGP 4x, because they would, i have tested it
 
AGP4X is a dying breed. Sure, it may keep up alright. But, where's the multislot SLi? Oh yea... Only one AGP slot. Why don't you see any high end (7800GS isn't that high end) video cards being released on AGP?

Why spend $600 on a new video card for a 2 year old system? Because the rest of the system will need an upgrade soon too! :)

AGP may not be that much slower, and we may not saturate it yet, but let's pretend it's because of great coding on the graphics engines and they are more effecient! ;)

Socket 478 was faster than 775 at first, too...

AGP had it's days. They are over. They helped out a lot, but it's time to say goodbye and upgrade (this coming from the guy with the AGP x800xt.) :)
 
Terra said:
Funny that my Gainward 7800GS Blis 512MB wasnt then..I have tested my self..and so have other sites...

And here is AGP vs PCI-E

http://www.tcmagazine.info/articles.php?action=show&showarticle=127

Terra...
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K, thats good enough.. the only thing I didnt like was the HUGE gaps between 3dmark05 scores when it is acutally less than 100 points difference in most instances.

Anyways, the biggest issue isn't high end agp vs high end pci-e, its high end pci-e vs low end agp bus (x4). I believe that the fasted x4 agp board (for amd) is socket a. The fastest socket at chip is a +3200. I haven't seen any agp x4 motherboards that support more than 166mhz fsb, severly bottlenecking the videocard (whether it saturates the agp bus or not).
 
Ur_Mom said:
AGP4X is a dying breed. Sure, it may keep up alright. But, where's the multislot SLi? Oh yea... Only one AGP slot. Why don't you see any high end (7800GS isn't that high end) video cards being released on AGP?

Why spend $600 on a new video card for a 2 year old system? Because the rest of the system will need an upgrade soon too! :)

AGP may not be that much slower, and we may not saturate it yet, but let's pretend it's because of great coding on the graphics engines and they are more effecient! ;)

Socket 478 was faster than 775 at first, too...

AGP had it's days. They are over. They helped out a lot, but it's time to say goodbye and upgrade (this coming from the guy with the AGP x800xt.) :)
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My AGP rig is far over "over the top"...
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1029712894&postcount=196

Terra - Anything else? :)
 
this kinda pissed me off..

3DMark05-16x12x4x16.jpg


ITS LESS THAN 100 points difference.. why such a huge difference in the two bars?.. I mean honestly..... wtf?!?

Other than that, it was good read :) Thanks Terra..
 
lloose said:
this kinda pissed me off..

3DMark05-16x12x4x16.jpg


ITS LESS THAN 100 points difference.. why such a huge difference in the two bars?.. I mean honestly..... wtf?!?

Other than that, it was good read :) Thanks Terra..
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Your welcome and that graph is bad, I agree *L*

Terra...
 
Borgschulze said:
Doom3-16x12x4.jpg


Haha.
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I have a 512 MB 7800GS(GT) for AGP..annyone with a 7800GT PCI-E care to go head to head in Doom3? :)

Terra - I'll be nice and start at stock settings? :)
 
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