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accurate temperature program

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wayne

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i just finished a mod of mine which was putting a computer inside a vcr casing and being the idiot i am, i have forgot to provide plenty of cooling so now its overheating and the metal cover is hot like i can fry an egg on it or something

so i ve got the cover off and now i have a small box fan sucking air away

my motherboard has a temperature reader, i m positive of this because it shows temperatures in my bios but i dont want to always restart my computer to check my temperature

i need a program that ACCURATELY tells me the right temperature....

i ve already downloaded motherboard monitor and i dont like it because its not accurate.... for example, my fans are not 32256 rpm or 36485 rpm..... its only like two thousand rpm...... also, it shows my cpu temperature at 7 degrees celcius, thats not right, i read my temperature boot up with bios and its at 57 degrees celcius....thats right, no typo, FIFTY SEVEN DEGREES CELCIUS IN THE BIOS.... thats why i really need to get a better cooling method

so can you guys suggest several programs thats downloadable for free that i can check my temperatures with accurate readings?

...thanks
 
Originally posted by KoZLop
I dont think the bio is wrong :(
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i didnt say the bios was wrong... i said motherboard monitor isnt accurate

i meant bios showed my true temperature which differed from the motherboard monitor result of 7 degrees C
 
Originally posted by MontyAC
Yes, Speedfan is accurate and controls your fan speed too.
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not on my other setup

maybe cus i have a crappy motherboard for that other setup

i hope it works for this computer

thanks
 
what does TEMP3 monitor?

because my temp3 seems really bad.... see, you know how my system is really overheating

well, it reads temp3 at 77 degrees C and shows a lil icon of a fire next to it

help, any suggestion on how to cool it or is the vcr computer over for good?

i dont wanna trash this idea, i spent 2 full days workin on this
 
Odd, MBM5 should get the temps from the bios. Have you tried configuring it?
 
Originally posted by wayne
i meant bios showed my true temperature[;/B] which differed from the motherboard monitor result of 7 degrees C
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accuracy is often relative

I dont think the question at this point is the monitoring software
(BTW the chipset is helpful when troubleshooting MBM, there is far more extensive troubleshooting and help available for MBM than any other program, it reads from the SMB (System Management Bus) same as the BIOS but is probably mis configured or that chipset isnt supported yet)

describe the mobo, cpu, current heatsink ect
that is what you need to address


offhand I would guess you need a better heatsink,
or need to verify that the one you have is properly seated

in addition a duct mod maybe called for
PICS would greatly help

and read this
General Heat Transfer Guide @ amdmb
Im transfering this to OC & Cooling
 
offhand I would guess you need a better heatsink,
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my cpu heat is decent

whats overheating is the other components like my 120gb 7200rpm WD hdd thats right under a stripped down powersupply which helps all the heat build up under a closed vcr without any exhaust fans but i plan to add one or two soon but space is a problem

its a biostar MK7Q or something like that with a seven and its a athlon xp 1800+ overclocked to 1.9Ghz with a heatsink and thermal paste that boots up at like 22 degrees C and gets to maybe 50 at max if i have the cover on and i had the computer running for a long time to allow heat to build up

my heatsink is pretty good because before i had the computer inside the vcr, i ran it for a while outta the case and i overclocked it and the temperature was always pretty low until i put it inside the vcr case which brought up the temp...so i kno my heatsink is good enough

i m thinking if this vcr idea is impossible to cool, i m gonna take out the parts for another mod because the motherboard is really small and i already modded my cd drive to make it flatter without a case and i also stripped down my psu to just the pcb and wires

so what do you guys think?
 
Wayne - it sounds like you didn't configure MBM5. It sounds like you installed the program and expected it to automatically detect all your temperatures etc. This is a reasonable expectation, but unrealistic. You must realize that the hardware detection chip(s) for different motherboards use different sensors (hell, even the type of hardware detection chip may be different from board to board), so YOU as the end user must configure MBM5. Go to the mbm5 website:
http://mbm.livewiredev.com/

And click on "Motherboard List" on the left.

Find your motherboard, and then see what it lists for the different sensors. I hated MBM5 at first, because it's (IMO almost TOO fully featured). The configuration was confusing, but once i did it a few times i really appreciated how great the program was.

I've heard good things about other programs as well, but once i figured out MBM5, i never really even looked at them!

Good luck bro, and the VCR mod can work, you just need to plan it carefully, give us some pics of the guts and i'm sure someone could give you a nice rundown on how to cool it down... You can't just slap a whole computer into a very tightly enclosed case and expect it to be a great project. Modding is an art form, and planning has a lot to do with the final outcome. (this is by no means a flame, but just a tip)
 
Originally posted by diredesire
Wayne - it sounds like you didn't configure MBM5. It sounds like you installed the program and expected it to automatically detect all your temperatures etc. This is a reasonable expectation, but unrealistic. You must realize that the hardware detection chip(s) for different motherboards use different sensors (hell, even the type of hardware detection chip may be different from board to board), so YOU as the end user must configure MBM5. Go to the mbm5 website:
http://mbm.livewiredev.com/

And click on "Motherboard List" on the left.

Find your motherboard, and then see what it lists for the different sensors. I hated MBM5 at first, because it's (IMO almost TOO fully featured). The configuration was confusing, but once i did it a few times i really appreciated how great the program was.

I've heard good things about other programs as well, but once i figured out MBM5, i never really even looked at them!

Good luck bro, and the VCR mod can work, you just need to plan it carefully, give us some pics of the guts and i'm sure someone could give you a nice rundown on how to cool it down... You can't just slap a whole computer into a very tightly enclosed case and expect it to be a great project. Modding is an art form, and planning has a lot to do with the final outcome. (this is by no means a flame, but just a tip)
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wow, NOW i know how to configure it...lol, i ll do it when i get off this computer and on that one later

yes, i ll have pics soon...i just bought a digi cam and i still have to buy a SD memory card and a memory card reader... the manual is confusing, my mom bought it in taiwan and its in chinese and i cant read chinese and i m chinese.... yea, i ffeel dumb

i ll figure it out tho and pics soon... if i cant take pics with my new digi cam, i hav an old one thats reallie crappy, but can take pictures somewhat ok so i ll see what i can do
 
Originally posted by wayne
my cpu heat is decent
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no, my CPU temperature is decent 23C :p
good would be considerably lower ;)

57C is high, the thermal resistance (C/W) of a given heatsink is based on a median ambient temperature,
raise the ambient temperature and its efficency drops,
you indeed need help,
but without particulars its very hard to say where

glad your getting MBM up and running, it is truely feature rich
especially when combined with additional software extentions
(a particular favorite being Shutdown Now!)
 
Originally posted by Ice Czar
no, my CPU temperature is decent 23C :p
good would be considerably lower ;)

57C is high, the thermal resistance (C/W) of a given heatsink is based on a median ambient temperature,
raise the ambient temperature and its efficency drops,
you indeed need help,
but without particulars its very hard to say where

glad your getting MBM up and running, it is truely feature rich
especially when combined with additional software extentions
(a particular favorite being Shutdown Now!)
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but its only 57 degrees when its inside the vcr

when it was outside the vcr, it was only 22 degrees C
 
pretty much what the above says :p
a short direct duct to the heatsink of outside air
might be whats called for, and considering the nature of such a tight installation of components, Id say the investment in a few thermal sensors would be well spent

relocate them here and there to paint an accurate picture of the cases thermal portrait, identifying the hotspots and addressing them will in the long run save those components and be far cheaper than the investment in the sensors

one of many
http://m6.hwgn.net/reviews/dd5/index.shtml

which of course can be used on your next project and the ones following as well ;)


how the manufacturers do it :p
http://www.icepak.com/prod/icepak/
we have to resort to trial and error
 
what sites can i use to upload pics/diagrams?

also, how else would i be able to host pics off my own computer?
 
heres some pics...not the clearest but shows a lil of what it looks like...
vmailpic.jpg

vmailpic2.JPG
 
heres some diagrams... the left is the back and right is the front..... i hope this helps somewhat

current layout jpeg.JPG

next step jpeg.JPG
 
so what do you guys think?... should i change any of the layouts i have right now and how?.... also, do you think this vcr mod thing would really survive this extra temps?, if not, then do you have any suggestions about another "case" to put it in?, i m thinking of one of those small oven/toasters with a lil glass window that you open and close to put food inside, but i dont want to waste a perfectly new one so if i ever see one at a yard sale, i ll pick it up or something

opinions are appreciated, thanks
 
Originally posted by wayne
i didnt say the bios was wrong... i said motherboard monitor isnt accurate
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you have to set up motherboard monitor, i see you didnt. you have to tell it what its looking at....exactly like every single other monitoring program out there. they just display what theyre told
 
if Im reading that correctly
well Id say the two internal fans arent doing alot but cycling the hot air round and round

I just grabbed one of these for the crossflow fan
https://www.3dcool.com/?module=product&sku=PCAC
http://www.subzerotech.com/sz_artre.../reviews/hardware/cooling/evercoolscpa/13.jpg
http://www.subzerotech.com/index/module/sz_reviews_display/id/192/page/3
which Ill be removing from that nasty 5.25" bay enclosure
might be inline with what you should consider
A. its not the typical foot print
B. will do upto 100CFM
C. as a crossflow fan there is no blind spot and can exhaust a nice "layer" of hot air
(for my application at the back of and above the PCI cards in a 4U rackmount its ideal)

also what is the possibility of adding a vent directly over the CPU HSF and a short duct?

you need to come up with a definitive airflow plan where it is drawn from (outside of the case) and exhausted to
right now it seems to be mostly internal circulation of the same air
and adding the new fan outlined in the schematic would seem to just be confusing the airflow pattern of those two fans already present (I think they probably need to be rethought anyway dont really see what they are doing except for adding more heat)

BTW does the HSF suck or blow?
 
Originally posted by Ice Czar
if Im reading that correctly
well Id say the two internal fans arent doing alot but cycling the hot air round and round

I just grabbed one of these for the crossflow fan
https://www.3dcool.com/?module=product&sku=PCAC
http://www.subzerotech.com/sz_artre.../reviews/hardware/cooling/evercoolscpa/13.jpg
http://www.subzerotech.com/index/module/sz_reviews_display/id/192/page/3
which Ill be removing from that nasty 5.25" bay enclosure
might be inline with what you should consider
A. its not the typical foot print
B. will do upto 100CFM
C. as a crossflow fan there is no blind spot and can exhaust a nice "layer" of hot air
(for my application at the back of and above the PCI cards in a 4U rackmount its ideal)

also what is the possibility of adding a vent directly over the CPU HSF and a short duct?

you need to come up with a definitive airflow plan where it is drawn from (outside of the case) and exhausted to
right now it seems to be mostly internal circulation of the same air
and adding the new fan outlined in the schematic would seem to just be confusing the airflow pattern of those two fans already present (I think they probably need to be rethought anyway dont really see what they are doing except for adding more heat)

BTW does the HSF suck or blow?
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yes, you read it correct... the fans are only circulating heat around but i only did that because of the ONLY available space but i think if i add exhausts it would really help a lot but i dont know if its enough with only one fan.

the crossflow fan is a great idea but i have no where to install it on.

the possibility of adding a vent directly over the cpu hsf and a short duct is slim to none or simply not easy because the space between the hs fan and the top cover is i doubt no more than one inch, it might work.... if i do it though, i plan to turn my fan from blowing to sucking so it blows the air out but personally, i dont think the cpu heat is a problem, if i can devise a method to quickly remove the heat in general inside the case, then the cpu will be no problem

right now, i m thinking of taking out my cd drive and just replacing it with an external usb drive but that puts up my cost which is so far only like 215 dollars... if its absolutely necessary, i ll take it out which will provide more space for air circulation and fans, and then i ll use a external cd drive, and then use the vhs tape flap thing where it comes out to be a vent or something

thanks for your help so far guys, keep up the good work.... i need all the suggestions i can
 
It is painfully obvious the reason for high heat is your stripped down power supply.
If you ever had a power supply fan go out, you know what i mean.
 
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