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Accidental Biology Experiment

IanWood

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About a year ago, I built a water cooled PC (see my worklog here). At the time I was pretty impressed with myself in that I actually managed to make it work without having water leak all over the place and kill it. And so the months rolled by without incident. Good temps; no issues. The mixture was distilled water, a small amount of surfactant (water wetter), and a little bit of blue dye.

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The water in the reservoir did become a little cloudy over time but I took little notice of it as it didn't seem to affect the temps at all and the flow meter didn't seem to be moving any slower. And then about two months ago, I started to notice the water was pretty darn cloudy and a light film was collecting on the floor of the reservoir. So I figured it probably had something brewing in there and a purge of the system and fresh liquids would be a pretty good idea at that point.

Unfortunately, my work schedule didn't agree with a change in the cooling and soon one week had turned into two months. By the time I did get around to draining it, a small dark blob had taken up residence on the surface of the water in the reservoir. Ick! At this point, I figured a drain and refill would not be enough. I needed some chemical warfare. So off to the pet store I go to acquire some anti-algae, anti-bacterial agents. Enter polymeric quaternary ammonium chloride, whatever the hell that is. Apparently, it is strong enough to kill off all little critters and its not very suitable to fish either. It is for water features and so I thought that's what I've got so why not? The pet store clerk agreed. I felt confident I had the answer.

So back home, I flush the system with water and 25ml of this special chemical compound. Once done, I fill the system with more distilled water, surfactant, dye, and another 25ml of the anti-algae anti-bacterial solution. Back to its clear glory, everything seems fine... for a while. But soon, I notice that the hoses (which I always thought were slightly opaque) were shedding a thin skin of a filmy material and to my surprise the hoses became very clear were they had de-skinned. I worried about this film flying around the system and clogging it up, but the impeller was making mincemeat of it and little tiny bits of God knows what were soon swirling around the reservoir seemingly harmlessly.

Knowing that I will have to flush the system again, I run the pump run for 24 hours to see if all this material attached to the hoses would come lose. Almost all of it comes loose. The second transformation starts to show itself at this point. Within a few hours, the liquid goes from the dyed blue it started out as to totally clear. Very strange. Small blue pellets can be seen on the floor of the reservoir.

At this point, I realise it is time to flush and replace the fluids again but I realise that I need more surfactant. Literally, as I am about to head out to buy some, I notice the reservoir is foaming. The top of the reservoir is not sealed and soon the foam is pushing the lid up and it is spilling out over the side. I panic slightly but remember that I have designed the system for just such an eventuality (even the inverted PSU is elevated off the ground by 10mm).

Worried nonetheless that this chemistry experiment is running amok, I shut everything off. It still foams AND the water level beings to rise! What the heck??? In a panic, I start to drain the system in a rush. First thing I notice is the smell. Strong, pungent ammonia-like smell. Very strong. Nose-hair-curling-strong! This is when my strategy changes and I strongly consider more drastic action. I decided to break the system down completely and flush everything individually. This takes me 4 hours, two rolls of paper towels, and lots of water. Thankfully, no hazmat team was required although I swear this funky chemical stew that I had created was making me dizzy. As I clean everything (windows open, fan blowing), I brake out the good old fashioned bleach and give everything a good old caustic scrub! I rinse it all out and then inspect closely. I notice on the items where I missed spots, a flaky white material was caked on the surface.

After a number of flush outs, the system is back up and running. This time with distilled water, surfactant, a few drops of bleach, and that's it. 72 hours later, it is still as clear as a bottle of Evian so I think I've rid myself of the biohazard, but I am still dumbfounded as to know what the heck I had going on in there before.

Anyone seen anything like this ever???
 
I did not have the foaming, but something odd happened to my system as well.
I have an old style Koolance PC2c case, which has run great for a year and a half. My wife just bought a new desk and to prevent scratching it up I had to slide the computer in it's cubby hole with a towel under it. After a few days in the cubby hole, which sucks for air circulation, I noticed a dampness to the towel. So I tore my case apart, but could find zero evidence of water, but my reservoir had dropped about 1/4" in level. I also noticed the once clear hoses were now opaque in color. Also the clear reservoir was also "cloudy" so I figured it was time for a refill.

Upon opening the drain plug a large amount of gas, very, very ammonia smelling gas started escaping. After the flatuation of the reservoir had completed I filled it up to it's appropriate level. Then something odd started happening. Unplugged, at standard room temperatures, the liquid in the reservoir started expanding, and expanding, and expanding. Unfortunately for me the old Koolance cases have the drain plug on the bottom and the liquid literally bubbled out and then drained back down through the entire case, covering all my components with water. I literally poured water out of my WD raptors :eek: .

So I flushed the system the best I could, refilled it with distilled water and the Koolance liquid, and the same thing happened again. Still without power the system would not quit oozing. The gasket on the reservoir started giving way so I started removing the watercooling system from the case and as soon as I reoved the upermost hose connection, which had zero water and was crimped (i thought) water, once again, sprayed everywhere. It actually shot about 10' across the room. What-ever the film/growth was that was now covering the hoses, reservoir, heat-sink, etc... was now chemically reacting with plain ol' distilled water.

After everything had completly dried (about three days) I removed all the watercooling components and went back to "noisy" air cooling with my Thermalrite SK-7 and Delta38 fan.

I tried to contact Koolance numerous times with emails about this problem, mostly to see if they had an explanation, but they never answered :(

I have all new hoses now, a completly clean, and sanatized (bleach) reservoir and CPU waterblock, and will be re-assembling, and testing the system. One thing I did notice was the small check valve on the top of the reservoir was covered with the film as well and the spring loaded ball was not operational. It is now cleaned and oiled.

So, while I did not have the foam, I did have the pressure and ammoina gas you spoke of. I was running strictly distilled water and the Koolance re-fill liquid given to me when I bough the case. I do not know if sticking my box in a more enclosed area allowed the stuff to grow, or cause an increase in a chemical reaction? My temps never really fluctuated too bad, always around 29-32 deg C.

On a good note, everything still works, the only casualty was the plastic drain plug on the bottom of the case, which snapped its head off, it is now replaced with a stainless steel plug. This weekend I will re-assemble and see what happens.
 
Oh god, that is weird as hell. The growing foam sounds like a chemical reaction but between what, i have not the slighest clue. The fact that the stuff in the hoses killed the dye is weird too...but that mightve been the chemical you added. Very, very strange stuff.
 
IanWood said:
Anyone seen anything like this ever???
Yah, it happened to me before. I had algae growth in my lines (a Koolance system, BTW), and tried to kill it by using a procedure I found here. It didn't exactly work. The algae growth had caused the drain hole in the reservior (on the bottom for the Koolance setups) to leak. I fought it with for about a week, then gave up. I just replaced everything, all the lines, reservior, radiator, etc.

I went with straight Koolance liquid this time, nothing else. I also used a brand-new pair of scissors to cut the lines to length (whereas I used my fiance's "clean" kitchen scissors before). It's been running for six months without a problem.
 
Wierd. From everything I can tell, the filmy stuff is the UV die percipitating from the water as deposits. I have that same crap in my system. I just cleaned everything out and refilled the system a few weeks ago with no issue. The only additive besides dye that I have in my water is Zerex antifreeze (10-15%) which seems to work great. I've had it in my system for the better part of a year now and I've been using tap water. When I disassembled my blocks (maze4 and Whitewater) there were no signs of corrosion and only a slight discoloration of the copper which was expected. The aluminum in the maze4 looked brand new. I have never noticed any degredation in performance.
If you want to see just how bad the dye is in terms of deposits, mix a tiny bit into a cup of water, leave it in a tupperware container or any other clear container until the water evaporates. Observe whats left over.
 
cgrant26 said:
Wierd. From everything I can tell, the filmy stuff is the UV die percipitating from the water as deposits..
As an FYI, I had a bit of Water Wetter and blue UV dye when I had my problem.
 
lol, blue pellets? did anything get caught in the waterblocks?

blue pellets. your biology experiment happened to indirectly prove the exsistance of "aqua-smurfs"
 
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