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Abandon 1155 for 1366?

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Tooterfish

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Hello! I have been busy building my rig lately, picking up the easy parts (monitors, gpu's etc). Now is time to buy the bits, and the more I look at what I want my PC to do, the more I start to second guess the sandybridge choice.

Specs so far:

3x U3011 30" Monitors.
3x Hydrocopper 2 3GB GTX 580's.

The more I read up on the 2600K, the more I realize that the cpu is great, but the motherboard support is horrid. I mean, the lack of 4 way SLI already hurts; 30 inch monitors could use that extra vram later. The NF200? I heard you get better performance avoiding it and running native 8x. What's the point? I can look past the dual channel limitation. Would I be better off running my GPU's in 3 way SLI with 16x lanes? How noticeable would it be (keeping in mind I will be gaming at 7680x1600).
 
Sandy is fast. That is for sure. It is really fast in fact. However being a mainstream offering from Intel it definitely doesnt have the spunk that 1366 offered as far as enthusiast features.

I am getting ready to do a massive sell off of my sigrig stuff as well as other stuff once a firm release date is given for socket 2011.

I intend to do dual socket 2011 eventually if available. But I want to do quad Crossfire with full lane support not having to rely on nf200.
 
I would only go 1366 if you want the 990X. HardOCP did that 3 way SLI vs XFire with the 920 (3.6GHz) first and the 6970 was beating the 580s then the 2500K (4.5GHz I think) came into the mix allowing the 580s to use their full potential. If you find the right board for what you want on 1155 and do not want to spend $1K on a CPU I would go with the 2600K and be happy with it.
 
Although 1366 is older, it has always revolved around enthusiast aspects. If it was up to me, I would grab the 1366 now and wait for 2011 to drop whenever it is scheduled to release. (Or just wait for 2011.)
 
I've been waiting for 2011, but the dodgy updates are too damn frustrating. Taking all this in I'm just going to bite it and go with 1155 for now, and turn the settings down on my games until 2011 is released and upgrade then (depressing thought). I would go the 1366 route if it weren't for the 2011 being around the corner.
 
Tooterfish said:
I've been waiting for 2011, but the dodgy updates are too damn frustrating. Taking all this in I'm just going to bite it and go with 1155 for now, and turn the settings down on my games until 2011 is released and upgrade then (depressing thought). I would go the 1366 route if it weren't for the 2011 being around the corner.
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No need to turn the settings down, 16 lanes is plenty of bandwidth for three graphics cards. You won't be CPU limited either, at that resolution my guess your limitation might be memory amount and/or bandwidth.
 
iconiK said:
No need to turn the settings down, 16 lanes is plenty of bandwidth for three graphics cards. You won't be CPU limited either, at that resolution my guess your limitation might be memory amount and/or bandwidth.
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I add that current high-end GPUs barely take full advantage of even PCI-e 2.0 x8 bandwidth, let alone x16.
 
The lack of ethusiast mobo support for 1155 is sad indeed. But given it's price and performance and low power usage I would definitly take it over 1366 right now and wait for 2011 to mature.
 
Lack of enthusiast motherboards for LGA1155? Umm......we've seen lots of enthusiast motherboards for LGA1155. Just like we saw plenty of them for LGA1156 when that was new.
 
There are lots yes, but they all seem to be missing a feature or two. The only true ethusiast board is the Maximus IV but even it is lacking some of the features offered by 1366 high end boards.
 
Bun-Bun said:
There are lots yes, but they all seem to be missing a feature or two. The only true ethusiast board is the Maximus IV but even it is lacking some of the features offered by 1366 high end boards.
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Such as?

Maximus IV:

Supports latest and greatest processors - Check
Supports SLI and Crossfire - Check
Supports 3-Way SLI, Quad-SLI, Quad CrossfireX and CrossfireX with three cards - Check
Supports high speed RAM (DDR3 2400MHz through overclocking) - Check
Dual LAN (Dual Intel Gigabit LAN at that) - Check
RAID-0, 1, 10, JBOD support - Check
USB 3.0 - Check
SATA 6G - Check
eSATA - Check

The only feature found on "high end boards" the Maximus IV doesn't support is IEEE1394a. Who gives a shit? ASUS has plenty of boards that support it if you really need it. Are there higher end boards out there? Only if you go X58 and very few make the cut for what I'd call "ultra-high end." The ASUS Rampage III Black Edition and the Gigabyte G1 Assassin are about the only ones that come to mind. You can also try and argue the value of the extra PCIe lanes offered by X58 boards but the fact of the matter is that in the real world these extra lanes mean nothing when it comes to multi-GPU gaming. HardOCP proved that.
 
Stop whining and buy a 1366 board.

If you want the best of the best, buy the ASUS Rampage III Extreme, Black Edition.

That will keep all your GPUs happy and allow you to fiddle around to your heart's content.
Couple it with a big-ass Core i7.

you can upgrade to the S2011 in mid 2012, when there will be chioces galore.

I just bought a Rampage III Formula to run my 930 and it runs three way Crossfire just fine. I'm not going anywhere until the 2011 is released now.
 
Yeah, I still have no reason to upgrade my RIIE or P6T6 WS Revo after over 2 and half years, socket 1156 and 1155 are pretty uninteresting at this point, the only real feature upgrade that I wanted is Sata III, so I bought a 9265-8i, 1366 has plenty of available lanes to push it and I'm not limited to 2 ports. Once Ivy Bridge hits and brings PCIe 3.0 to 1155, 2011 will be out and it'll finally be time to upgrade.
 
Dan_D said:
Such as?

Maximus IV:

Supports latest and greatest processors - Check
Supports SLI and Crossfire - Check
Supports 3-Way SLI, Quad-SLI, Quad CrossfireX and CrossfireX with three cards - Check
Supports high speed RAM (DDR3 2400MHz through overclocking) - Check
Dual LAN (Dual Intel Gigabit LAN at that) - Check
RAID-0, 1, 10, JBOD support - Check
USB 3.0 - Check
SATA 6G - Check
eSATA - Check

The only feature found on "high end boards" the Maximus IV doesn't support is IEEE1394a. Who gives a shit? ASUS has plenty of boards that support it if you really need it. Are there higher end boards out there? Only if you go X58 and very few make the cut for what I'd call "ultra-high end." The ASUS Rampage III Black Edition and the Gigabyte G1 Assassin are about the only ones that come to mind. You can also try and argue the value of the extra PCIe lanes offered by X58 boards but the fact of the matter is that in the real world these extra lanes mean nothing when it comes to multi-GPU gaming. HardOCP proved that.
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I meant features more as in the OC features. 1155 just doesn't have the same offerings as 1366. Though I took a second look at the Maximus IV and it has measuring points and thermal probes that I thought it didn't... I will have to take a closer look at that board.
 
Bun-Bun said:
I meant features more as in the OC features. 1155 just doesn't have the same offerings as 1366. Though I took a second look at the Maximus IV and it has measuring points and thermal probes that I thought it didn't... I will have to take a closer look at that board.
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OK, this argument isn't going to help you either. X58 offers more tuning options yes. Because it needs them. If you haven't been paying attention LGA1155 processors overclock better with less effort than X58 and it's compatible processors do. I can take a Core i7 2600K to about 4.8GHz-5.1GHz pretty easily adjusting less than six settings. With X58 I can reach about 4.8GHz or so with a Core i7 980X or Core i7 990X, but it may take me adjusting 3x as many settings to do it. I can have the settings dialed in on P67 / Z68 in less than an hour and set the thing to do stability testing and walk away. I'll find that 99% of the time when I come back the thing is still running. With X58 I've got to sit there for hours and hours tweaking, testing, documenting my results, tweaking, testing, documenting my results, tweaking, testing, documenting my results, etc. I have spent many, many hours doing this on X58 boards. What used to take me half a day or more to do with X58 can be done in a fraction of the time on P67 or Z68.

And the Probeit feature / voltminder LED's etc. are on many ASUS ROG offerings. You'll also find their competition implementing similar features on their high end boards. Trust me, as a guy who has worked with numerous high end boards, I can tell you there are plenty out there. Though it sounds like you are looking at only the top most end of those boards. If so then the Maximus IV is probably about as good as you'll find. If it doesn't make you happy, there probably isn't another board out today that would make you happy either.
 
Don't get me wrong, I am more then happy with my GA-Z68X-UD5-B3 and 2600k. The fact I installed windows and OC'ed to 4.0GHz by changing one value and being perfectly stable is awesome.

Features may be the wrong term. Qaulity is more what I am thinking. For example compare Gigabytes top board (GA-Z68XP-UD7) to there top boards for 1366. Alot more work was put into those bios's and power regulation on top of all the features.

But I think I may need to retract my statement about the Maximus IV. That is a nice board. Might have to return mine and get it.
 
Bun-Bun said:
The lack of ethusiast mobo support for 1155 is sad indeed. But given it's price and performance and low power usage I would definitly take it over 1366 right now and wait for 2011 to mature.
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Asus Maximus IV Extreme P67 - My board and let me push the chip to 5.3 on water stable, i'd say that is pretty damn enthusiast for this tick tock cycle.
Asus Maximus IV Gene-Z
The New EVGA Z68 series
Asrock Fatality Extreme Z68 and P67
The list goes on ....

How much more enthusiast do you want?

They are already maximizing the capablities and pushing extras with add on chips etc... than Intel ever designed.

3 way SLI etc....

Sure it's not tri or quad channel ram and dual socket with QPI links etc.... but given the mainstream design the 1155 series has I'd say that mobo manufactures have done a damn good job thus far.


Op if you go 1366 or change your mind to go that way I would recommend the Asus rampage III black edition just released not too long ago. Nice board but like $500.00+
 
Evga Z68 boards don't have the extensive voltage monitoring or measuring points or temp probes from what I can tell.

Plus I just realized the Maximus IV and EVGA boards are EATX... I can't even use them unless I completely redo my setup.
 
Bun-Bun said:
Evga Z68 boards don't have the extensive voltage monitoring or measuring points or temp probes from what I can tell.

Plus I just realized the Maximus IV and EVGA boards are EATX... I can't even use them unless I completely redo my setup.
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The gene Z is enthusiast grade and they packed as much as they could in that little MicroATX form factor.

I have one if you want to buy it just message me. I don't use it. I got it and sold my processor (2500K) the day before it arrived so its practically brand spanking new.
 
i have a 920 and a 2600k which one to build first?Well here the reason I bought the 920 for my first build to be a 1366 but changed my mind and also bought a 2600k.But now I can't decide which one to build first.I seem more into a 1366 build for now and mabe make a matx build with my 2600k or should I go 2600k build and a 1366 micro build?
 
Bun-Bun said:
Evga Z68 boards don't have the extensive voltage monitoring or measuring points or temp probes from what I can tell.

Plus I just realized the Maximus IV and EVGA boards are EATX... I can't even use them unless I completely redo my setup.
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They may technically be E-ATX, but they aren't as deep / wide as a real E-ATX board is either. It doesn't go edge to edge on my test bench like my D5400XS does. Depending on your case, it may fit anyway.
 
Dan_D said:
They may technically be E-ATX, but they aren't as deep / wide as a real E-ATX board is either. It doesn't go edge to edge on my test bench like my D5400XS does. Depending on your case, it may fit anyway.
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They're slightly wider than ATX, which is the case with almost all enthusiast boards. It's only a few centimeters, ALL cases worth a dime will have PLENTY of extra space, since they NEED that for cable management and to fit as long graphics card.
 
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