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We are here for the science, the feeling of doing good while doing hardly anything, and for some the points. Ahh yes the points!

It's great to have a system where people can compete with each other while doing something good for the greater population. Some people however have taken this too far, way too far. I have been folding for the Overclock.net team (Go! #37726) for over a year. I have spend thousands on hardware to further this project and to gain a little satisfaction to see my points go up. The introduction of HPCS (Hewlett Packard - Cloud Services) among folders was a huge success. People signed up for a free boost in points, while agreeing to a few simple terms. One of those was that you may only create accounts for yourself under your identity. This is where people became greedy creating over 100 instances of these servers.

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(http://www.overclock.net/t/1207603/so-is-this-going-overboard)

In the ToS (http://hpcloud.com/legal_docs) HP does not specifically state in clear terms that you may only have one account. They however do state in the welcome email that you may not put full production load on the testing servers. Again there isn't really a problem here as they welcomed folders and let use their own systems for what we love. My good friend went to HP support to see if we could get a better idea of the ToS in laymens terms. On Post #34 and #38 in the Overclock.net folding section the tech clearly states that in his opinion it is "an abuse of the program. Especially if these people are misleading us by giving a false intended use case."

You are probobly thinking "why is this nut case reporting his own team?!" I'm not one of those people who say "I'm not in it for the points", the points show how hard I've worked on my machines, the time invested in setting them up, and the time it took for all those projects to work and upload. It gives the folder a sense of gratification, a sense of a job well done. When people on your team like Extreme Newbie (Picture), _s3v3n_ (Picture), BWG who is a Staff member (Picture), and finally zodac (Picture) he is our team leader. Someone who should be leading by example not someone who is abusing an already free system.

This really needs to stop, this is unethical, and unfair. I know other teams are doing it but my team should act better. I've asked on our own forums to put a stop to it but they don't. Something needs to be done, show them that this will not be tolerated.

P.S. Just as proof, My Profile on OCN, my folding stats, and my stanford page.

All the links with the word Picture in them are pictures I've uploaded as proof of the posts by the users in case they get deleted from Overclock.net

Thanks for listening and sorry for the long post :)
 
You know, you're always welcome to fold with us as a team member, if you aren't extremely happy where you're at. :D I agree with what you're saying there, and I do believe that people are taking advantage of resources that would not normally be at their disposal. Some would argue that it's still a contribution to the science, but it's still a bit unethical ( to me ) in the way they are going about it.

Just my two cents though...
 
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The people over here are just as nice on OCN. If I had found this forum first, I'd be folding for you guys. OCN is my home. Even if my home is filled with people who steal my beer and eat my food :(
 
More of the same it seems.

From my knowlege no one here on [H] made more than one account. And if they did, it sure wasn't encouraged by the team.

I can't help but wonder what HP will do with all those credit card numbers on file........
 
Pat we'll see what we do. We'll talk on IRC, ok? I don't like having zodac be one of the main abusers of the HPCS system.
 
The people over here are just as nice on OCN. If I had found this forum first, I'd be folding for you guys. OCN is my home. Even if my home is filled with people who steal my beer and eat my food :(

Hai Pat. :)
 
Great story. Hope people would understand and stop what they are doing.

Personally, I'm against the use of resources ( PCs, servers) that we do NOT own (buy/build and pay for utility) for F@H = Folding at HOME .. not at work or other places .. ;)

We have cookies :D

I thought you guys have tamales and beer .. lolz
 
Cookies bring you in,beer/tamales are for the joining party
 
They also have nice helpful people who fold the [H] way with honour and respect and dont abuse the system if the want more production they build it and nurture it until it is at it's best. ;)
 
As others have said, the cloud is too squishy and we prefer our folding gear [H]ard. I commend you for your morals and share your concerns however I'm a bit unsure what you would like us to do with the information. We certainly aren't going to be dropping by OCN to berate them as that isn't our style.

My suggestion would be to vote with your points, swallow the red pill, and let us show you what proper folding is really like. ;)
 
I don't think this thread is intended for you guys to do something per se, and I know I didn't understand it as that; rather just letting you know that maybe some of OCN has a bit more morality than you expected ;)
 
I don't think this thread is intended for you guys to do something per se, and I know I didn't understand it as that; rather just letting you know that maybe some of OCN has a bit more morality than you expected ;)

Having visited OCN forum a bit recently it's glad to see that some of you haven't lost sight of what the project is trying to do. The constant pushing of the corehack and HPCS is tiresome to say the least
 
I don't think this thread is intended for you guys to do something per se, and I know I didn't understand it as that; rather just letting you know that maybe some of OCN has a bit more morality than you expected ;)

I'm sure that most people out there who fold amongst all the teams have good morals and values, but I took the OP's post as more of a venting session that voices his opinion about the *lack* of morals and values of some of the OCN members. Not to say that they're bad people, mind you, but that they are blatently abusing resources that they shouldn't. Whether it's for personal satisfaction or a way to boost overall team production, it's that kind of mis-use that ultimately leads to all of us having to pay more for services due to increased costs of that service and TCO. We all know that nothing in life is free, and HP is just going to pass the buck on to their paying subscribers.

Fold [H]ard!!!
 
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Having visited OCN forum a bit recently it's glad to see that some of you haven't lost sight of what the project is trying to do. The constant pushing of the corehack and HPCS is tiresome to say the least

What wrong with the corehack?
 
It's a long and complicated story, but to sum it up, it's against the rules and in some cases (read some) it can actually hurt the project by sending units places where they just skim the deadline and sometimes miss it.
 
It is the same issue as what this thread is about, morals and ethics Stanford has asked that people run the bigadv on certain hardware and the core hack basically lies to the Stanford servers telling the server it meets those requirements when it does not.. #4 and #5 in the link below.

http://folding.stanford.edu/English/FAQ-BestPractices
 
No doubt all the reasoning has been gone through before...

Stanford needs a performanced based WU accreditor, they have said so themselves...

This point is mute though, with the deadline reductions on the BA projects...

I'm not sure if even a 2p 6128 system will be able to complete BA with the proposed deadline reductions, and its a 16c machine... (please correct me if i'm wrong, am only basing this approximation on estimates)

For refence, i use the corehack on my 2500k 4.8ghz native linux machine...
 
I thought corehack was a VM thing where the VM is told them is more cores present than actual are.
 
no, it is a script within linux that tells linux it has more available threads than it really does, F@H asks the OS, not the CPU.

@ Ishinomori, you must cut it really bloody close on a 6904 with only 4.8 GHz on a 2500k, last i knew 2600k/2700k's were having issues @ that speed meeting the deadlines...
 
I ran 2133mhz ram CL9 with it :)...

My TPF is 76-77mins, so i complete the WU 5hrs shy of the deadline for bonus points...
The "Absolute" deadline is still something like 15days though...
 
no, it is a script within linux that tells linux it has more available threads than it really does, F@H asks the OS, not the CPU.
And one I would suggest we stop discussing here as it turns into a shit show every time.

The vast majority of us feel it violates the F@H best practices laid out by Stanford and do not condone its use, lets leave it at that.
 
And one I would suggest we stop discussing here as it turns into a shit show every time.

The vast majority of us feel it violates the F@H best practices laid out by Stanford and do not condone its use, lets leave it at that.

My appologies for derailing the thread...
 
We are here for the science, the feeling of doing good while doing hardly anything, and for some the points. Ahh yes the points!

It's great to have a system where people can compete with each other while doing something good for the greater population. Some people however have taken this too far, way too far. I have been folding for the Overclock.net team (Go! #37726) for over a year. I have spend thousands on hardware to further this project and to gain a little satisfaction to see my points go up. The introduction of HPCS (Hewlett Packard - Cloud Services) among folders was a huge success. People signed up for a free boost in points, while agreeing to a few simple terms. One of those was that you may only create accounts for yourself under your identity. This is where people became greedy creating over 100 instances of these servers.
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All the links with the word Picture in them are pictures I've uploaded as proof of the posts by the users in case they get deleted from Overclock.net

Thanks for listening and sorry for the long post :)
There is a similar situation going on at the EVGA team. there are multiple members with multiple HPCS accounts.
 
These types of situations and the general mood at OCN is why I say [H] > OCN. SS_Patrick, I hope you come join the [H]orde!
 
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