9800SE "L" shaped RAM @ NEWEGG

if you read the sale more accurately, it says: "128bit" meaning that the picture being shown is not an "L" shaped 9800se. rather it is an "I" shaped model.

does it compare with a 9600np, yes it does. in fact, it runs about the same if only a couple % faster.

save your money and get the something else instead of this card unless your 100% guaranteed it will softmod.
 
Yes, The card is only 128bit, but so were the 9500 "L" shaped Ram cards as well, and they softmodded very well. Not all, but most did.
 
interesting how the images look exactly like a 9700 series card with the heatspreader on the back of the card aswell as the gpu cooler and molex plug. :confused:
 
Originally posted by jwill
interesting how the images look exactly like a 9700 series card with the heatspreader on the back of the card aswell as the gpu cooler and molex plug. :confused:
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I've heard of 9800 se's on 9700 pcbs.
 
Originally posted by eminor
Yes, The card is only 128bit, but so were the 9500 "L" shaped Ram cards as well, and they softmodded very well. Not all, but most did.
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nope all L shape 9500's are 256bit whether you softmod them or not. Softmodding only opens the 4 extra pipelines... can't change the memory bus.
 
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my point exactly. look at the bottom, the 9800se in l shaped configuaration is 256bit while the i shaped 9800se is 128bit. if the 128bit softmods perfectly, you'd only get a 9500pro out of it NOT a 9800se. trust me on this I have one

and there is only about a 60%- 65% overall chance that a 9500np would softmod perfectly. 9800se cards are much lower. i think around 45%-55% at most.

i would still suggest avoiding the 9800se 128bit version
 
Originally posted by sKiDmArK
nope all L shape 9500's are 256bit whether you softmod them or not. Softmodding only opens the 4 extra pipelines... can't change the memory bus.
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ACtually you are totaly wrong, when you open up the extra 4 pipelines you also open up the other 128bits that the mem has locked, its almost like 32bits/pipeline to the memory, well im asuming this works teh same as the 9500->9700 mod and if it does then when you unlock it you get all 256bits out of theram
 
9500np's come in 256bit (L shaped) and 128 bit (I shaped) mem configurations.

if you softmod a card, you enable 4 extra texture pipelines, making a total of eight.

you do not enable an extra 128 bit memory bus on the card (I shaped in this case) by softmodding the card (only 4 more texture pipelines). it is impossible or else i would have aleady done it to get more marks.

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I think at most if you softmod a 128 bit SE you get the equivalent of an R350 based 9500 pro. This is still a good alternative to the 9600 line.
 
Im pretty sure that the card isnt 256bit mem to begin with, but its capable of using 256bit with all 8 pipelines working... the the L shape cards are the ones that will do 256bit mem where the I shaped ones have the 9500pro design which already has 8pipelines/128memory design
 
Originally posted by sKiDmArK
nope all L shape 9500's are 256bit whether you softmod them or not.
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But, IIRC, stores only listed them as 128 (I believe ATi's specs might have also?). So while newegg says the 9800se's are 128, they very well may be 256 if they are the cards pictured.
 
Originally posted by Digital Viper-X-
ACtually you are totaly wrong, when you open up the extra 4 pipelines you also open up the other 128bits that the mem has locked, its almost like 32bits/pipeline to the memory, well im asuming this works teh same as the 9500->9700 mod and if it does then when you unlock it you get all 256bits out of theram
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lol :p . Like someone said earlier http://softmod.ocfaq.com/faq.php . Trust me I thought the same thing at first too, but you do not increase your memory bus by using the softmodd, only the 4 dead pipelines. A 256bit bus card without the 8 pipelines isn't that great of a performer (ie: L-shaped 9800SE's)

But, IIRC, stores only listed them as 128 (I believe ATi's specs might have also?). So while newegg says the 9800se's are 128, they very well may be 256 if they are the cards pictured.
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I think they may have listed the L-shape 9500np's as 128bit bus on newegg ect. but it wasn't true. If the memory on a 9800SE is in the shape of an L it is 256bit bus, if it's in the shape on an I its a 128bit bus... thats all it comes down to.
 
Originally posted by sKiDmArK
lol :p . Like someone said earlier http://softmod.ocfaq.com/faq.php . Trust me I thought the same thing at first too, but you do not increase your memory bus by using the softmodd, only the 4 dead pipelines. A 256bit bus card without the 8 pipelines isn't that great of a performer (ie: L-shaped 9800SE's)



I think they may have listed the L-shape 9500np's as 128bit bus on newegg ect. but it wasn't true. If the memory on a 9800SE is in the shape of an L it is 256bit bus, if it's in the shape on an I its a 128bit bus... thats all it comes down to.
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i hate to agree with a guy named sKiDmArK, :p but he is right on.
 
I ordered the card,SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9800SE, that you talk about last week and got it on Friday. It's "L" shaped and has 256bit memory. It's 9800SE on 9700Pro PCB. RIVA Tuner shows 256bit memory right away. Tried 3D Mark 2001, always crashed and kicked me back to the desk top or restarted the system at game 3. 3D Mark2003 crashed after the game 3. Tried to play a game, MaxPayne 2, the game crashed in a few minutes of game play and sent me back to the desk top. Or sometime just freezed the system so I needed to reset my computer. Lower the AGP to 4X, from 8X, I can run 3d Mark 2k1 till it finished, got 113xx point. The 3dMark 2003 would run till the Mother Nature mark and crashed back to desk top. For game play, I could play MaxPayne 2 a little bit longer than when it was set at AGP 8X. Tried to do the SoftMOD with Omega driver to open its full 8pipe line, the screen went blank after restart. Had to get in to Save Mode to uninstall the Omega Driver.

Everything worked fine with my old RADEON 8500 before I put this 9800SE in. Tried to format the hard disk and reinstalled a fresh copy of Windows XP Pro Sp1 and every drivers and software, still didn't work.

Now, the card is on its way back to NEWEGG for a replacement since it doesn't work right. Hope the new one will work for me.
 
My 9800SE is arriving today from Newegg. I hope that I have better luck with it.
 
Got my 9800SE today from Newegg, and it soft-modded perfectly.
RiveTuner is showing all 8 pipelines open & 256 Bit Memory.
No Artifacts in 3DMARK2003 or any game (Painkiller Demo, Far Cry.)
Great deal for only $147.00
 
Originally posted by sKiDmArK
I think they may have listed the L-shape 9500np's as 128bit bus on newegg ect. but it wasn't true. If the memory on a 9800SE is in the shape of an L it is 256bit bus, if it's in the shape on an I its a 128bit bus... thats all it comes down to.
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That was my point. The 9500s were advertised as 128 even though they were 256, so it was possible the 9800ses were "L" shaped (some people thought they may be the "I" shaped ones because 128 was listed in the specs).
 
Originally posted by eminor
Got my 9800SE today from Newegg, and it soft-modded perfectly.
RiveTuner is showing all 8 pipelines open & 256 Bit Memory.
No Artifacts in 3DMARK2003 or any game (Painkiller Demo, Far Cry.)
Great deal for only $147.00
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Thanks for being the guinea pig, mano! I just placed my order 5 minutes ago! Hopefully I'll have the same luck. . .anything will be better than my Radeon VE that's in this thing, though :eek:
 
Just went to newegg web site and saw this POWERCOLOR ATI RADEON 9800SE.. Followed the product link to PowerColor web site and found that this 9800SE is on 9800NP/Pro PCB and it has 256bit memory interface. This one looks like a good one to play with.

r98se-c3_box_card.jpg
 
I just ordered one. Hope it is going to work for me this time.

One more picture.
r98se-c3_card_front.jpg
 
I need more results, please tell me how they softmod, good, bad etc..

also the pictures posted thus far are of the 9800 Pro pcb w/ the 9700 Pro cooler!
 
I got my card today, and am fairly impressed. I do have checkerboarding in the Advanced Pixel Shader test in 3DM2K1SE, but can't seem to replicate it anywhere else.

Card is currently running at 380/600 and I haven't pushed it yet. I'll test more and let you guys know if I find any other checkerboards.
 
I've recrived my PowerColor 9800SE w/ 9800NP/PRO PCB today too, I mean Monday. Did the soft mod got 8 pipes on but when running 3dMark, I got checkerboarding since the first bench mark. So I uninstalled Omega driver and installed ATi Cat.4.2 instead. Works fine so far. Got 13xxx in 3D Mark 2001SE.
 
Originally posted by Lex
I've recrived my PowerColor 9800SE w/ 9800NP/PRO PCB today too, I mean Monday. Did the soft mod got 8 pipes on but when running 3dMark, I got checkerboarding since the first bench mark. So I uninstalled Omega driver and installed ATi Cat.4.2 instead. Works fine so far. Got 13xxx in 3D Mark 2001SE.
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meh thats not to great, i get 12000 with an athlon 1800+ and a Ti4400
 
I just bought a Powercolor 9800SE video card couple days ago because my friend told me that it can be unlocked 4 pixel pipelines to 8 pipelines. Then it will have 9800 Pro performance.

Firstly, I run the 3DMark03 1024*768 before I unlock the pipelines. The score is 3795. After I unlocked it. I got 5611. That is so much different than before. The performance is very close to 9800 Pro. I also can overclock the video card to 400/700 from 380/675. The score is 5818. It is still running very fine without artifacts.
 
Well, upon further testing, it seems that the checkerboarding is present in all of the 3DMark'03 tests and in the "blast marks" in the UT2004 demo.

I installed the standard drivers from ATI and the card seems happy at 460/310. . .definitely not a bad overclock for a broken chip.
 
its possible to fix or reduce the checkerboard effect via bios flash (9800pro) n hardmod. i had slight checker problems with 9500np on 2D after softmod, but after hardmod n 9800np bios everything was fixed. 9800pro bios also should give some performance boost..
 
Originally posted by Chaballaman
its possible to fix or reduce the checkerboard effect via bios flash (9800pro) n hardmod. i had slight checker problems with 9500np on 2D after softmod, but after hardmod n 9800np bios everything was fixed. 9800pro bios also should give some performance boost..
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Where was yours checkerboarded? It seems that mine only checkerboards when using Pixel Shader 2.0 or shadowing with the Z buffer.
 
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