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9800Pro 128bit vs. 9700Pro 256bit

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Sepsis

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So what do you guys think the better option is?

ATi AIW 9700Pro 128MB/256Bit Retail -- $299 (Canadian Price)

Or

ATi 9800Pro 128MB/128Bit OEM -- $295 (Canadian Price)

I'm leaning toward the AIW 9700Pro since the 256bit 9800Pro performs 15% higher than the 9700Pro 256bit and the 128bit 9800Pro performs 15% below the 256bit 9800Pro. So the 9800 128bit should only perform about 5% better than the 9700 256bit. It seems to me like the 9700Pro is the bettwe deal since it has a built in TV tuner.
 
The AIW 9700 is definetly a better deal. In memory intensive game situations it will beat the 9800 128bit and it has the tv tuner.
 
Sepsis said:
So the 9800 128bit should only perform about 5% better than the 9700 256bit.
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Well you sure pulled that out of the sky. 9700 no question and I wouldnt be surprised if the 9700 wins most benches. The 9800 hardly has any tech in it that makes it much faster clock for clock and I bet the +55MHz core on it can't overcome its almost halved memory bus bandwidth(more MHz at half the width still chokes this card). Don't fall into Ati's game of castrating there 200USD line, it's quite saddenning actually. Go for the 9700 unless you can get the real deal 9800.

edit: I'm reading the clocks might not even be the same on the 9800Pro Hacked Edition as the regular. There goes it's +55MHz core possibly and the mem bandwidth is no good no matter what the MHz (wont be enough, they didnt hack the bus to put GDDR3 in).
 
yep and IMO its way worse then the naming scheme of GF4MX's ever was. You'd expect two products with the same exact name to not vary so greatly.
 
that's not as big of a difference, though... the GF4MX didn't even support pixel shaders...

however I was under the impression taht the only 9800s without 256 bit memory interfaces were the SE edition... oh well maybe im stupid.... you might want to look into that before buying, because my 9800pro DOES have it and I paid about the same.....at Future shop...and they have the worst prices anywhere, IMO.
 
i got one of those 128bit 9800pros from newegg, that really pissed me off, guess i should have known something was up since it was 40$ cheaper. I haven't really benched it yet, but it runs the farcry demo with everything set to high/extremely high at 1024x768 with lots of AA and AF around 30's-60's framerates.
 
Munka said:
that's not as big of a difference, though... the GF4MX didn't even support pixel shaders...

however I was under the impression taht the only 9800s without 256 bit memory interfaces were the SE edition... oh well maybe im stupid.... you might want to look into that before buying, because my 9800pro DOES have it and I paid about the same.....at Future shop...and they have the worst prices anywhere, IMO.
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No, I believe the 9800se is the one with 256bit (that's why they're more expensive, harder to find) and the XT is 128. I agree that having "9800pro's" that differ that much with the same name is very shady business practice. :mad:
 
Munka said:
that's not as big of a difference, though... the GF4MX didn't even support pixel shaders...

however I was under the impression taht the only 9800s without 256 bit memory interfaces were the SE edition... oh well maybe im stupid.... you might want to look into that before buying, because my 9800pro DOES have it and I paid about the same.....at Future shop...and they have the worst prices anywhere, IMO.
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Point is you google GF4MX and it's much easier to find out what it is. I don't find huge fault in the 9600pro not being better than the 9500pro but I dont like how deceiving this new move is. They are both bad situations but this takes the cake IMO. Your former flagship should not share its exact name with a turd wtf! As proved in this thread even our fellow [H]'ers and enthusiasts could easily be duped. The bigger numbers is better crowd has been getting shit all along.
 
yeah thats pretty true most of the time i just used the 9600pro as a less refutable analogy. Point was yes the bigger number is the lesser performer. The number and suffix game has been going on for a long time. I'll give them that. A 9600 pro is a 9600 pro though. A 9800SE is a 9800SE. Why when they halve the pipes thats worthy of a new suffix, though still misleading as SE = Special Edition sounds high-end, but halving the memory bus width is no big deal.
 
joemama said:
No, I believe the 9800se is the one with 256bit (that's why they're more expensive, harder to find) and the XT is 128. I agree that having "9800pro's" that differ that much with the same name is very shady business practice. :mad:
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On an Nvidia card yes, on an ATI one hell no.

9800 Pro and XT are 256 bit.

9800 SE is 128 bit.

All 9600's are 128 bit except for the SE edition which is 64.
 
There were some 9800SE's that were setup to take advantage of a 256-bit mem at least once it's pipes were unlocked. The rest is spot on though. There was certainly some misconceptions of the ATi line. What you've listed is what is to be expected when picking one up.... we thought.
 
DJDishwateR said:
On an Nvidia card yes, on an ATI one hell no.

9800 Pro and XT are 256 bit.

9800 SE is 128 bit.

All 9600's are 128 bit except for the SE edition which is 64.
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Ahh.. maybe I am thinking of the 5900's :confused: Can you imagine the average consumer trying to sort all this out? :p
 
One question. Why are you saying that the XT from nvidia is only 128 bit? The 5900xt is 256bit. Maybe the 5700 and lower will use 128bit since that is what the card normally uses.
 
DJDishwateR said:
On an Nvidia card yes, on an ATI one hell no.

9800 Pro and XT are 256 bit.

9800 SE is 128 bit.

All 9600's are 128 bit except for the SE edition which is 64.
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ATI is now selling a castrated 9800pro with a 128bit memory bus.

http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=1508

Be sure not to buy this, and to warn everyone looking at them about it.

==>Lazn
 
man thats sad, 128bit 9800pro? even my 9500np and 9800se are both 256bit. :(
i was plannin on gettin 9800pro for my new rig but definately not gettin the 128bit version.. maybe i should go for x800pro.
 
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