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939 or 754

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alluro

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I was wondering why a 754 pin cpu is cheaper than a 939 pin cpu of the same speed and which is better for a gaming comp
 
754 is cheaper due to clearance of the older chips. For a gaming comp, well, they are both good. What is your budget? If you wanted to jump into the A64 game now, I'd reluctantly suggest 939 when Venice and San Diego come out.
 
im on a pretty low budget would a 2.2 gig 754 pin be faster than a 2.0 gig 939 pin?
 
in a lot of things, yes. dual channel does not help a64's out all that much.
 
You could spend $300 on a 754 CPU that equals $500 939 processors. That's the price difference, heh.

If you're ocing, you could just get a venice 3200+ and it will do you just fine. Perhaps. Maybe. We'll see how crippled the lower PR venices are.
 
agreed. though a 3400+ mobile plus a dfi nf3-ut will offset you $350, and will probably make it to 2.6-2.8ghz with a respectable air cooler.
and you'll have 1mb of cache, making it similar to a 2.7-3ghz 512kb part on single channel. the dual channel will help out the venice though
 
well i have never overclocked before and im not sure if i will doesnt it mess your cpu up after a while..

oh and what are some things or programs i need free if possible to get started...
 
alluro said:
well i have never overclocked before and im not sure if i will doesnt it mess your cpu up after a while..

oh and what are some things or programs i need free if possible to get started...
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There are plenty of FAQ's around here. I cant really get into where to start since the FAQs would say it much more eloquently than me. But programs I generally use are WinFlash, clockgen (not so much anymore, since the DFI doesnt like clockgen,) memtest86+, CPU-Z, SmartGuardian, Everest, and Sisoft Sandra.
 
yeah, it does "reduce" the lifespan of your cpu a bit, but not much. even if you do some hardcore stuff and manage to drop the lifetime by 2x, that's still around 3-5 years. plenty of time to upgrade. as long as you don't go crazy with voltage, you have nothing to worry about.

the three programs i use most (and in this order) prime95, memtest86, and everest.
prime95 does stability testing for mostly the cpu, but a bit of ram too
memtest86, as it's name indicates, tests the memory stability. it's a dos only program though, you normally boot into the program with a floppy (or cd.. but i think it's a waste of a cd)
everest is useful for benching your ram setup, keeping an eye on temps and voltages, and just generally knowing things about your computer.
 
You will pay for getting Socket 754, as you will be unable to upgrade the CPU shortly, as AMD has relegated the socket to budget chips, mostly Sempron. Athlon 64s will not continue to come out for this socket. For not much more at all, you can get a Socket 939 setup. e.g. an NForce 4 Chaintech VNF4/Ultra board for ~$90 and a 3000+ Winchester 939 CPU for $150, for a grand total around $240. (NewEgg.com prices.) Now that's a good deal. And you'll be able to upgrade the CPU all the way to a dual-core chip if you are so inclined, and 939 will be upgrade-viable through 2007. :D
 
Epicenter said:
You will pay for getting Socket 754, as you will be unable to upgrade the CPU shortly, as AMD has relegated the socket to budget chips, mostly Sempron. Athlon 64s will not continue to come out for this socket. For not much more at all, you can get a Socket 939 setup. e.g. an NForce 4 Chaintech VNF4/Ultra board for ~$90 and a 3000+ Winchester 939 CPU for $150, for a grand total around $240. (NewEgg.com prices.) Now that's a good deal. And you'll be able to upgrade the CPU all the way to a dual-core chip if you are so inclined, and 939 will be upgrade-viable through 2007. :D
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Lancaster and Newark are coming to S754, but if you ever plan on using one, you would best get a super popular board, such as the Lanparty UT250 or Neo2 (but even the Neo2 looks like it will have... problems.)
 
you mean the neo, not neo2 ;)

also, i believe lancaster has already been declared as 'turion'... the spot where is used to be on the roadmap has been replaced with turion, but newark still exists as the DTR equivilent. here's to hoping it's not based off the lancaster :eek:
 
the names (of the cpu) matter very little. What matters is if it fits into the socket (and works, accurate POSTS aren't that important) and how much L2 cache it has.
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
you mean the neo, not neo2 ;)

also, i believe lancaster has already been declared as 'turion'... the spot where is used to be on the roadmap has been replaced with turion, but newark still exists as the DTR equivilent. here's to hoping it's not based off the lancaster :eek:
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Yeah, I know the Lancaster is Turion. Newark would be great if it were based on San Diego. That would be... superb. Mobile FX series would be great if it were S754. It would just be expensive though.
 
it would be awesome. i'm.. really hoping it is.
and i pointed that out because the way you worded your post made me question, even though i know you should know :D

carnitine: amd seems to be doing almost everything in their power to prevent turion from working in desktop motherboards. i talked to a guy who does pcb testing for msi. he managed to get some turion samples, and he cannot get the turion to post in the k8n neo, despite the fact that they're working on the bios to try to fix the problems.
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
it would be awesome. i'm.. really hoping it is.
and i pointed that out because the way you worded your post made me question, even though i know you should know :D

carnitine: amd seems to be doing almost everything in their power to prevent turion from working in desktop motherboards. i talked to a guy who does pcb testing for msi. he managed to get some turion samples, and he cannot get the turion to post in the k8n neo, despite the fact that they're working on the bios to try to fix the problems.
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Doesnt that almost make you wonder if AMD did something to the chips to make them not work on standard 754? Like changing around a couple pins' functions and whatnot?
 
that would make me angry.. though it's possible. i don't think they'd actually go to such measures though :confused:
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
that would make me angry.. though it's possible. i don't think they'd actually go to such measures though :confused:
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When even DF frickin I says that they will refuse to officially support it, I would like AMD is doing everything they can.
 
just noticed, you should fix your sig on dfi-street :p
says you got your ram at 275mhz with 3.2v :eek:

but back on topic (or not), yeah. i posted elsewhere that if people want to use the dfi and turion together to PM me. i'll repeat


If you want to use the DFI lanparty nf3-UT with a Turion, please PM me
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
just noticed, you should fix your sig on dfi-street :p
says you got your ram at 275mhz with 3.2v :eek:

but back on topic (or not), yeah. i posted elsewhere that if people want to use the dfi and turion together to PM me. i'll repeat


If you want to use the DFI lanparty nf3-UT with a Turion, please PM me
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Hah, didnt realize that. I fixed it.
 
yay for getting my quote at the top of the page. maybe more people will see it this way.

and i also think that this thread has outlived it's purpose. oh well. :p
 
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