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930 or 805 ??

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fan_83

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I am planning to build a new comp and have now narrowed down my list of cpu's to either a 930 or a 805. I am planning to overclock it to the best of my abilities using air cooling only.
I am thinking of an Abit AW8 to go with the 930 and an Asus P5WD2 for the 805.
which do you think you would better as the cost differential is only 10 pounds.

Also I am located in the UK so please don;t give me links to newegg telling me its cheaper to get it from there.

I am also thinking of using a Zalman CNPS-7700-CU cooler in place of the stock ones. Do any of you know whether it will fit onto the 2 above mobo? THe link at zalman is out of date and I don;t want to get everythign and hten have the hassle of having ot return the cooler due ot it being too big. (I know that its a different topic but I thought I would save from opening a new thread in the cooling section). My case would be a Antec SLK3800B UK black midi case with the included 400w smart power psu.

is there enough clearance in the case and the both mobo for the zalman cooler and which cpu is the better one...

please help
 
I've never used an Antec Case or that smart power and that heat sink, but for the processor, I'd go AW8-Max and a pentium D 930 (if you're buying now). AW8-Max looks like a real good board. Search AW8 on www.xtremesystems.org and you'll find some guy with a processor at 5ghz or something like that. 930 overclocks higher than the 805 and it has 800mhz bus (compared to the 805 with 533mhz) and 4mb cache on the 930 compared to the 2mb on the 805. The cache and the bus speeds, along with the fact that the 930 is 65nm and runs cooler with lower voltages, makes the 930 better than the 805.
 
Definitely take the 930, if the differential is only 10 Pounds. That's like 20 CAN dollars right, so well worth the cost.
 
Why the P5WD2 for the 805?

I'd take the 930, but the advantage of the 805 is that you don't need a P5WD2 type of motherboard to overclock it. You can do just fine with an $90 P5ND2 or similar, as long as it allows you to increase the voltage to the CPU.
 
*goes and bang head against wall*

i chose P5WD2 cos most of the review sites and the majority of the posters suggests that as a good o/c board.
i personally don;t have the guts or the times to go through every manufacturer to find which ones are good for o/cing and thus i take the wise words of the posters and follow their advice.. if what you say is true then i will switch to P5ND2 and think about going sli..

my budgettttttt
 
get the 930 - smaller 65nm core, more cache, emt64, etc - and overclocks way better.

a good cooler and some voltage u will get 4.5ghz
 
ChronicTrees said:
P5WD2 is better for OC'ing than the P5ND2.
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Overclocking an 805 to 4.0GHz does not require overclocking the motherboard. All you need are voltage adjustments for the CPU.

It's all about $$$. I'm just saying if you are getting the 805 to save money it defeats the purpose to get an expensive board and RAM. If you have the cash to spend by all means get the 930 and a good overclocking motherboard. You will beat the performance of an 805.
 
Go with the 930 (it OCs very well, while running cooler, requiring less juice, has more cache, and a more advanced cache access system, clock for clock a 9xx chip is faster than a 8xx chip) and put it in an Asus P5WD2-E Premium.

Why the premium board? 975x chipset, it's worth the extra money. This is one of the two motherboards based on 975x that have been confirmed to work with conroe. So, when the 930 isn't cutting it anymore, all you have to do to upgrade is pop in a conroe CPU in its place, and everything is dandy.
 
alas the p5wd2e premium is crossfire, i personally prefer nvidia myself :)

so if i were to go 930, what mobo would you guys recommend that can let me air o/c it to the max of around 4.5ghz?
 
VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVI said:
Overclocking an 805 to 4.0GHz does not require overclocking the motherboard. All you need are voltage adjustments for the CPU.
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Ok, you lost me, how can you overclock a cpu by voltage adjustments alone? To get to 4ghz you would need to raise the FSB which increases your bus speed, how is the motherboard not overclocked?

EDIT: NM on the above, I did not know that chip ran at 133mhz fsb.


And yes the P5WD2-E support crossfire.
 
fan_83 said:
alas the p5wd2e premium is crossfire, i personally prefer nvidia myself :)

so if i were to go 930, what mobo would you guys recommend that can let me air o/c it to the max of around 4.5ghz?
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You are going to need a motherboard that can do at least 300 fsb, I know the P5WD2 and P5WD2-E will do that, so will other high end 955 and 975 boards. If you are going SLI and intel you might be hindered on your options, I haven't looked into any Nforce 4 intel boards as far as overclocking. Last I heard they weren't as good as intel in that area. I have a p5wd2 I was running at 320fsb on air that I am selling, let me know if you are interested.

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=87120

That was done on the 14x multiplier with a Zalman CNPS 9500, the 930's default multiplier is 15x so 300fsb would be the minimum for 4.5ghz.
 
930 is better, 65nm runs cooler, clocks higher with less voltage & cooling

the Asus 975 or 955 mobo would be best (probably give you the highest stable OC), but its not required to get a good OC.

I've got a 920 + Asus P5WD2-E and its a great combo.
 
200 FSB on 805D = 4gig... al u really need, not 100% true, is to raise V on chip.

You would have to raise it from 133FSB to 200... it has a 20x multiplier. You can probbaly do this on any boardthat allows u to play with the bios... just keep in mind of possible droop with intel boards which is a hassle.

805D = Need good heatsink
930 = stock heatsink isn't bad.... cheap way = change 80mm fan to quiet.
 
MC FLMJIG said:
200 FSB on 805D = 4gig... al u really need, not 100% true, is to raise V on chip.

You would have to raise it from 133FSB to 200... it has a 20x multiplier. You can probbaly do this on any boardthat allows u to play with the bios... just keep in mind of possible droop with intel boards which is a hassle.

805D = Need good heatsink
930 = stock heatsink isn't bad.... cheap way = change 80mm fan to quiet.
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i'm not too familiar with intels, so what is this droop you are talking about?
 
Do a search... but an example...

The V of the CPU went from 1.34-1.44 under heavy load... not on all boards but it does happen. Not the chips fault but the MOBO.
 
I see, I didn't take into account that it ran at a lower fsb.

There is an ECS 945 board and 920 combo at frys for 200 after instant rebate, you could always sell the mobo and come out paying less for the processor.
 
*cries*

i am located across the pond in the UK,
i do not have access to the nice shops like newegg or frys.. my location in edinburgh has no good comp shops to go to.. that leaves me with net sites like ebuyer and overclockers and their range is so limited...

last i heard the nf4 boards have a problem with o/cing over 200mhz.. so i am not going there..
thanks for the offer chronictrees,

basically i jsut need a mobo that will let me oc a dual core chip up to around 4.5ghz with the chip and mobo in total costing less than 220 pounds, hopefully.
and depending on the mobo and case i would be either using a zalman 9500 cooler or if no space a artic freezer 7 pro.

the mobo needs to have the standard stuff, but with the option to sli, cos i am thinking of going sli, if i can put a system together within the budget that will let me go dual 7600gt

any recommendations of mobo/cpu combo would be much appreciated as I seem to not have made my requirements clear in the first place...I am not based in the US and it is totally unfair that you guys get all the nice shops with all the nice mail in rebates..
:mad: :mad:
 
fan_83 said:
*cries*

i am located across the pond in the UK,
i do not have access to the nice shops like newegg or frys.. my location in edinburgh has no good comp shops to go to.. that leaves me with net sites like ebuyer and overclockers and their range is so limited...

last i heard the nf4 boards have a problem with o/cing over 200mhz.. so i am not going there..
thanks for the offer chronictrees,

basically i jsut need a mobo that will let me oc a dual core chip up to around 4.5ghz with the chip and mobo in total costing less than 220 pounds, hopefully.
and depending on the mobo and case i would be either using a zalman 9500 cooler or if no space a artic freezer 7 pro.

the mobo needs to have the standard stuff, but with the option to sli, cos i am thinking of going sli, if i can put a system together within the budget that will let me go dual 7600gt

any recommendations of mobo/cpu combo would be much appreciated as I seem to not have made my requirements clear in the first place...I am not based in the US and it is totally unfair that you guys get all the nice shops with all the nice mail in rebates..
:mad: :mad:
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OK you don't want NF4, but you want SLI? Thats not going to happen at least not until Nvidia releases a driver that allows SLI on non nForce boards. The 975 support Crossfire (dual ATI cards), and the 965 are supposed to also. You can run SLI on the 975 or 955 board with the very old first revision or 2 SLI drivers, but whats the point of that.

You ONLY want 4.5Ghz on dual core. WOW. I ONLY want a 3-some with 2 playboy bunnies in the grotto at the playboy mansion. :) a more reasonably goal would be 4Ghz. You might get lucky and hit 4.25Ghz with a 9x0. But 4.5Ghz is kinda of high of an expectation. Most of the 920 & 930's I've seen people hit 3.75Ghz easily, no voltage adjustment. 3.9 - 4.0Ghz with some extra juice and nice decent cooling. Most have had trouble over 4Ghz being 100% stable. Now the later C stepping like the 965 EE supposedly are hitting 4.2+Ghz a little easier, but 4.5Ghz is still a little high unless you happen to have sub-zero cooling or a (speed binned) Extreme Edition.
 
I already gave u some info from personal experience. I will try the 930 on an nf SLI this weekend... if you want wait till i have results... its an ABIT NI8...
 
chrisf6969 said:
OK you don't want NF4, but you want SLI? Thats not going to happen at least not until Nvidia releases a driver that allows SLI on non nForce boards. The 975 support Crossfire (dual ATI cards), and the 965 are supposed to also. You can run SLI on the 975 or 955 board with the very old first revision or 2 SLI drivers, but whats the point of that.

You ONLY want 4.5Ghz on dual core. WOW. I ONLY want a 3-some with 2 playboy bunnies in the grotto at the playboy mansion. :) a more reasonably goal would be 4Ghz. You might get lucky and hit 4.25Ghz with a 9x0. But 4.5Ghz is kinda of high of an expectation. Most of the 920 & 930's I've seen people hit 3.75Ghz easily, no voltage adjustment. 3.9 - 4.0Ghz with some extra juice and nice decent cooling. Most have had trouble over 4Ghz being 100% stable. Now the later C stepping like the 965 EE supposedly are hitting 4.2+Ghz a little easier, but 4.5Ghz is still a little high unless you happen to have sub-zero cooling or a (speed binned) Extreme Edition.
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4.5 is easy for PD 950 and higher. I hit 5 Ghz on air with a PD 950 (very unstable). You just need a good motherboard and decent ram. Now that my 955X board is dead I cant even OC 450 Mhz :( with the 945 POS im using.
 
chrisf6969 said:
OK you don't want NF4, but you want SLI? Thats not going to happen at least not until Nvidia releases a driver that allows SLI on non nForce boards. The 975 support Crossfire (dual ATI cards), and the 965 are supposed to also. You can run SLI on the 975 or 955 board with the very old first revision or 2 SLI drivers, but whats the point of that.

You ONLY want 4.5Ghz on dual core. WOW. I ONLY want a 3-some with 2 playboy bunnies in the grotto at the playboy mansion. :) a more reasonably goal would be 4Ghz. You might get lucky and hit 4.25Ghz with a 9x0. But 4.5Ghz is kinda of high of an expectation. Most of the 920 & 930's I've seen people hit 3.75Ghz easily, no voltage adjustment. 3.9 - 4.0Ghz with some extra juice and nice decent cooling. Most have had trouble over 4Ghz being 100% stable. Now the later C stepping like the 965 EE supposedly are hitting 4.2+Ghz a little easier, but 4.5Ghz is still a little high unless you happen to have sub-zero cooling or a (speed binned) Extreme Edition.
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haha, yea. only 4.5 on dual core is pretty ridiculous. I agree with this guy in that you're asking for a lot. That's asking a 3.0ghz processor to run 4.5 on air completely stable. and this 930 wouldn't be an ES either. I'd set my expectations lower or you're gonna be full of disappointment. Depends on your RAM too buddy. that AW8 will support with a bios flash and the 930 CAN hit it with the right RAM tied to it and a good enough heat sink. By the way, just the reason i really commented this guy, is that Nvidia drivers just detect to see if there is an Nforce chipset, if there is, then it allows SLI. there are hacks that tell the drivers that there is an Nforce chipset (but there isn't) and you could still run SLI, just it'll take a bit more of an effort =).
 
thanks MC: I will be happy to wait for oyu to post your findings :)

chris, steathy and cup : almost all the reviews for the 805 that i read allowed for ocing up to 4 with a minimal volt adjustment..

thats a rise from 2.6 to 4. and using air cooling as well.. unless I am getting blind or stupid, i therefore assume that a generic 805 should be overclockable to 4 ghz with th eright ram and mobo.

is it that much to ask for the 930 to go to around 4.3-4.5 when there are reviews talking about it ? or do the reviewers get engineering samples that are way better than what I would get?

SLI is jsut a dream if i can get the system in under budget, my main problem with the p5nd2 is quite a few posters at xtremesystems are complaining that it is a bad mobo to oc with as there seems to be a fsb lock on it..

i of course am happy to listen to any and all advice from those more experienced that I as I am having a massive headache looking at the various review sites and forums..

why can;t all the geeks stick to one forum :) :p :confused:
 
lmfao. I'd stick with the AW8, it overclocks well, and for a price you really can't beat (atleast here in the US). the 930 will clock higher if you decide to go get water or something later on. like i said, the 4mb cache will feel a world of a difference over the 2mb cache the 805 has, and the bus speeds (800 on the 930 against the 533 on the 805) will also make a difference.
 
You guys think its worth ditching my 830 for a 930? Is the temp difference THAT much? Im on a mATX board so i cant do crazy OC's but i can a moderate amount...
 
Dillusion said:
You guys think its worth ditching my 830 for a 930? Is the temp difference THAT much? Im on a mATX board so i cant do crazy OC's but i can a moderate amount...
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If you already have the 830 I would just wait for the greatness that will be conroe before spending any more money on a processor. If you were going in to a new processor then I would suggest the 930.
 
This is the 805 on the N I8 SLI with a bit of V added (don't remember how much = Thermalright SI 120 as the heatsink. SFLEX (the strongest one) on medium - high.
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STOCK FAN
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If it's a smithfield with V added I HIGHLY reco a MUCH better heatsink.

I don't know how hot the higher 8 series run but the lowest end 8 does run VERY HOT... at least with the stock fan... also keep in mind that the PWM will also run hot.

I will try how good the 930 does on the NI8. I know the PWM's ran much cooler as well as the cpu temp... as a matter of fact stock heatsink with a nice stong and quiet 80mm would work... at 1.4v.

Dillusion if you could get close to the price on the 930 I would do it. They are cooler and BETTER.
 
I just built a rig for a friend using the 805, and man, let me tell you what, it runs HOT, the stock fan and stock clock speeds, gets 57c with double Folding going with the cpu fan set to 70% of max using Speedfan.....Prime95 Torture gets me to 62c.....with the stock fan heatsink/fan at full speed (NOISY!!!) it drops temps to 52c when Folding and 57c under Prime.

Since this rig is only going to be used for some DVD ripping/compressing, I have set Speedfan to run the stocker fan at 70% all the time, regardless of cpu temp. The noise is decent at that speed and it keeps the cpu well under thermal max limits. I have not even puched the cpu except to see that it does 3ghz at stock volts, if I had a better cooler I would puch it and see what it would do before I deliver it to my pal....

He's getting it at stock speeds though, they would never really notice the difference....
 
Why do dumbasses even buy single core CPUs now? Dude, the 6xx series is bullshit, go 9xx, if you can't afford it now, save up the extra bucks. There is absolutely no reason to buy a PC with a single core CPU at the moment.
 
NulloModo said:
Why do dumbasses even buy single core CPUs now? Dude, the 6xx series is bullshit, go 9xx, if you can't afford it now, save up the extra bucks. There is absolutely no reason to buy a PC with a single core CPU at the moment.
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Are you going on an asshole spree in every forum? Yer gonna get banned...
 
Simple cost differential. Yep. 805's cheaper to buy, and you can overclock it with a crappy mobo, but if you're paying for electricity, you're going to be sorry. Get a 930 and call it a day.
 
mwarps said:
Simple cost differential. Yep. 805's cheaper to buy, and you can overclock it with a crappy mobo, but if you're paying for electricity, you're going to be sorry. Get a 930 and call it a day.
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Doesnt really matter about ure electricity lol, your PSU only puts out as much as its rated for...
 
cupholder2.0 said:
4.5 is easy for PD 950 and higher. I hit 5 Ghz on air with a PD 950 (very unstable). You just need a good motherboard and decent ram. Now that my 955X board is dead I cant even OC 450 Mhz :( with the 945 POS im using.
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He's talking about a 930. These 9xx chips are speed binned.
The 950 & 955 was the top speed bin before, so those were hitting 4.5Ghz
with good cooling & some extra voltage. The dual core max OC's, drop off quickly. Plus you had a higher multiplier = easier!

The 805's don't all hit 4Ghz, but one thing that does help them hit it somewhat
easier is the high multiplier ( = lower FSB OC)

A 920 or 930 you could very easily max out the motherboard before this chip.
For a 930 (3Ghz) you need a 300FSB to reach 4.5Ghz. Not exactly easy.

SO "only 4.5Ghz" is ridiculous as an "only" statement. A "I'm crossing my fingers & praying to the OC'ing gods that I can reach 4.5Ghz, but I know its not likely." would be a much better statement. :)
 
The 805 has it's place...some people don't leave the PC on 24/7 like most of us [H]'ers......for a cheap and effective DVD ripper/compressing rig, video editing, it has a definite attraction.

I just ran a test where I compressed Matrix-Revolutions from the original .iso down to a 4.7gb DVD. My AMD X2@2.6ghz machine was only 1:38 faster than the 805 @2.66ghz rig using DVD Shrink (which is multithreaded). Now in a 3d game, my AMD will own that Intel dual core, but for people that don't game, a $132 dual core cpu and a $75 mobo can kick some ass, where as my dual core is $300 plus another $100 for the mobo....a 930 Intel board costs big bucks too.....


Overall, I am very impressed with the cheap Intel dual core....I am going to build myself a second one to replace my aged little server box.....the 805 plus a gig (or two) of cheap ram ought to do a damn fine job Folding, plus it will make a snappy little game server and DVD ripping station....
 
mwarps said:
Simple cost differential. Yep. 805's cheaper to buy, and you can overclock it with a crappy mobo, but if you're paying for electricity, you're going to be sorry. Get a 930 and call it a day.
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There is a good chance I was drunk before, sorry to anyone I called an asshole, thanks for warning me.
 
fan_83 said:
thanks MC: I will be happy to wait for oyu to post your findings :)

chris, steathy and cup : almost all the reviews for the 805 that i read allowed for ocing up to 4 with a minimal volt adjustment..

thats a rise from 2.6 to 4. and using air cooling as well.. unless I am getting blind or stupid, i therefore assume that a generic 805 should be overclockable to 4 ghz with th eright ram and mobo.

is it that much to ask for the 930 to go to around 4.3-4.5 when there are reviews talking about it ? or do the reviewers get engineering samples that are way better than what I would get?

SLI is jsut a dream if i can get the system in under budget, my main problem with the p5nd2 is quite a few posters at xtremesystems are complaining that it is a bad mobo to oc with as there seems to be a fsb lock on it..

i of course am happy to listen to any and all advice from those more experienced that I as I am having a massive headache looking at the various review sites and forums..

why can;t all the geeks stick to one forum :) :p :confused:
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If you're buying a 805D any board with decent bios options should do... however, to my dismay, the ABIT NI8 SLI, Nvidia, is terrible. Having a hard time past 220FSB with the 930... ouch!

On a MATX 945g the chip did 235 easy and I could only go that high on THAT MATX board becasue of it's vdroop.
I'd stay away for now.
 
hey, to the guy who essentially said that single cores are crap, they generally are able to overclock higher than dual cores...... just look at the whole cedar mill series
 
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