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6800 GT vs X800 Pro

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At defaults, which would give the most performance?

Can't seem to find any decent review comparing the two.

Obviously, the GT runs with 16 pipes as opposed to the 12 of the Pro but also suffers a lower clock speed...
 
plur said:
At defaults, which would give the most performance?

Can't seem to find any decent review comparing the two.

Obviously, the GT runs with 16 pipes as opposed to the 12 of the Pro but also suffers a lower clock speed...
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The x800pro runs as fast and sometimes faster than the 6800ultra. The GT should be able to overclock to the ultra (we are all hoping.)
 
creedAMD said:
The x800pro runs as fast and sometimes faster than the 6800ultra. The GT should be able to overclock to the ultra (we are all hoping.)
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The 6800 ultra and the X800XT are neck and neck as far as performance goes. It all depends on the game your playing which will be faster but nither will be much slower then the other. The X800XT is just a speed bump up while the 6800 ultra supports pixel shader 3.0 and 32-bit floating-point which will be used in games next year while the X800's do not.

Its the same circumstance for the X800Pro and the 6800 GT. The X800Pro is slightly faster in quite a few games but the 6800 GT supports new graphics qualities. The difference in performance though would never be truly noticeable so just go with whichever you prefer.

I dont know why we keep getting so many of these VS. threads every day. Just read a couple of reviews and see how both cards perform. Nither one of them is going to let you down so there is no point in wonder which one is .00000001% faster then the other.
 
Here you see that FarCry is playable at 1600x1200 on the x800xt|1280x1024 on the x800pro and only 1024x768 on the 6800ultra.
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I do encourage to read other reviews, but this seems to be the trend in this game. It does have the best eyecandy in anygame to date.

This shows the 6800u and the x800pro pretty even in Ut2004. But look at that x800xt! 1600x1200, wow!
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creedAMD said:
The x800pro runs as fast and sometimes faster than the 6800ultra. The GT should be able to overclock to the ultra (we are all hoping.)
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Ya, when the bench is cpu-bound. You crank those babies up to 1600x1200 and 9 out of 10 times the Ultra will beat the Pro...or so every other non-HOCP invalid and inferior review would have us believe. But know, we're too smart for that, we KNOW they're all wrong, every last one of them.

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And what is up with the Far Cry benchs? I thought we'd all agreed there was something seriously buggy about the whole thing. Why do people post those benchs as if they mean a damn? Anyone with their brain attached to their fingertips doesn't need a bench to know that Far Cry runs better on ATI hardware. Seriously, it's one game, yet people are posting benchs of it as if it were the holy grail of gaming. It's pathetic really. All the Nvidiots should post benchs of D3 one every other thread when it comes out. That'd be pretty funny, and payback is supposed to be a bitch.
 
Vagrant Zero said:
Ya, when the bench is cpu-bound. You crank those babies up to 1600x1200 and 9 out of ten times the Ultra will smoke the Pro...or so ever other non-HOCP invalid and inferior review would have us believe. But know, we're too smart for that, we KNOW they're all wrong, every last one of them.
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In opengl games, yes, but what current opengl game would you notice the difference? Both cards slaughter all current opengl games. Hell my 9800pro slaughters current opengl games. And from what I have seen 1600x1200@4xAA is really the x800's sweet spot, it wins the majority of the benches at those settings. Maybe you saw something I didn't?
 
Vagrant Zero said:
Ya, when the bench is cpu-bound. You crank those babies up to 1600x1200 and 9 out of 10 times the Ultra will beat the Pro...or so every other non-HOCP invalid and inferior review would have us believe. But know, we're too smart for that, we KNOW they're all wrong, every last one of them.





And what is up with the Far Cry benchs? I thought we'd all agreed there was something seriously buggy about the whole thing. Why do people post those benchs as if they mean a damn? Anyone with their brain attached to their fingertips doesn't need a bench to know that Far Cry runs better on ATI hardware. Seriously, it's one game, yet people are posting benchs of it as if it were the holy grail of gaming. It's pathetic really. All the Nvidiots should post benchs of D3 one every other thread when it comes out. That'd be pretty funny, and payback is supposed to be a bitch.
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FarCry is one of the most popular/taxing games out right now, to not use it to benchmark next gen cards would be stupid. To throw it out the window because Nvidia is not doing too well in it's own TWIMTBP title is foolish. Come on. What the hell else do you think people are buying these new cards for? To get 300fps instead of 200fps? The FarCry engine is an awesome engine. Hopefully Nvidia can get it's shit together, I would go with the 6800u if it could pull out a win in farcry. And I did post another benchmark, UT2004, and heres another showing the x800pro and 6800u side by side.
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Look at that 800xt go! 1600x1200, you can't do nothing but love it! It's a great time for gamers and tech heads!
 
I would believe overall a 6800 GT is a better choice at least over X800 PRO you can´t mod to 16 pipelines...
 
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if it ever comes out :p
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unless someone snoops out an x800xt for ~400 bucks, its the x800pro for me because i have a free halflife2 coupon and we all have the same idea as to who will win that game in speed :D
 
UT isn´t a very good game measuring video card performance even though it´s a bit better than Quake 3 of course. UT2004 is in essential a dx7/dx8 game and as all UT games very cpu intensive.
 
oqvist said:
UT isn´t a very good game measuring video card performance even though it´s a bit better than Quake 3 of course. UT2004 is in essential a dx7/dx8 game and as all UT games very cpu intensive.
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Um almost all current games are dx7/8. Even Farcry is mostly dx8. We don't have many dx9 games to bench yet. Ut2004 is an awesome engine, and a VERY popular game and growing at an alarming rate.

Look at the last line of that NordicHardware bench sheet for Ut2004, the difference throws the cpu out the window. That is all graphics card there and it brings the 6800u to it's knees. Hell the 9800xt beats the 6800u in that bench! Same processor!
 
As you see in benches Far Cry is video card dependent and UT 2004 is CPU dependent.

It takes 5 seconds of playing them to notice ;) UT engine as the one used for UT 2004 is old and it shows. It has to be to be able to be playable at the high framerates fps players demand and at the pace UT 2004 runs...
 
oqvist said:
As you see in benches Far Cry is video card dependent and UT 2004 is CPU dependent.

It takes 5 seconds of playing them to notice ;) UT engine as the one used for UT 2004 is old and it shows. It has to be to be able to be playable at the high framerates fps players demand and at the pace UT 2004 runs...
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When you turn up the resolution and the AA/AF the fps drops tremendously on the 6800u the same cpu as the x800 but still drops. Why isn't the cpu keeping the frames up like it is for the x800? Efficiency?
 
Not to defend nvidia too much, but isn't the 6800 in all the farcry tests still use the pixel shader 1.1? If so the farcry results mean jack shit. Since they are no indication of future performance. Of course if i'm wrong you guys can jump on me like the pack of wolves you are.
 
CyberCRAP said:
Not to defend nvidia too much, but isn't the 6800 in all the farcry tests still use the pixel shader 1.1? If so the farcry results mean jack shit. Since they are no indication of future performance. Of course if i'm wrong you guys can jump on me like the pack of wolves you are.
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No, you are absolutely right. Nvidia defaults to 1.1 alot in farcry for performance, but there are some PS2.0 in there. But the engine is being praised by many for the draw distance and levels of detail. It may not be a sign of games to come, but it is definitely one of the best games in history and people are buying videocards to play this. I hosted a LAN this past weekend half of the people were having SEVERE lag, it would start ok at first then 10mins into the game Farcry was choking hard. First everyone started questioning my network :mad: :) then we started going around checking and it was all people that had ti4200's in their machines. So this is definitely a good bench mark for present and future cards. There are not many games that bring a ti4200 to it's knees at lowest settings 800x600.
 
6800 ULTRA in NV3X mode runs faster than in R300 mode... Also 9700 PRO in NV 3X mode run faster than in default R300 mode...

It doesn´t say all for sure of course the 6800 ULTRA isn´t optimized for running the same way as ATI cards but still...

I think it´s valid as of now.

When patch 1.2 comes everyone will bench with that and hopefully most issues will be fixed then and all speed optimizations removed.

And the truth is the Crytek engine brings just about all that was going to make the Half Life 2 engine and DOOM 3 engine so special... True no HDR and not all dynamic shadows but the Far Cry patch enabling it may very well arrive before DOOM 3. And we got Thief 3 doing it as we speak ;)

Far Cry is the most representable engine as of date really.
 
oqvist said:
6800 ULTRA in NV3X mode runs faster than in R300 mode... Also 9700 PRO in NV 3X mode run faster than in default R300 mode...

It doesn´t say all for sure of course the 6800 ULTRA isn´t optimized for running the same way as ATI cards but still...

I think it´s valid as of now.

When patch 1.2 comes everyone will bench with that and hopefully most issues will be fixed then and all speed optimizations removed.

And the truth is the Crytek engine brings just about all that was going to make the Half Life 2 engine and DOOM 3 engine so special... True no HDR and not all dynamic shadows but the Far Cry patch enabling it may very well arrive before DOOM 3. And we got Thief 3 doing it as we speak ;)

Far Cry is the most representable engine as of date really.
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And when the 6800u runs in r300 mode it fixes all of the graphical problems that are seen in farcry on the Nv40, at a performance loss of course as oqvist just said.
 
6800GT for the 16 pipes, 'nuff said. If you want ATI's lower quality and higher performance Brilinear AF filter simply enable Trilinear Optimizations on the 6800GT, and you will get the 10%-30% performance boost ATI cards are seeing in the benchmarks.

Far Cry performance should greatly improve with the v1.2 patch and enabling of SM3.0 in Nvidia drivers - the 1.1 version is totally messed up on NVidia cards currently.
 
I'm leaning towards the 6800GT. I'm such an OpenGL whore and despite how good ATi 'benchmarks' appear to be, in game, it really is a different story.
 
Same thing here. I also run everything else I have in OpenGL. For example, Warcraft III looks so much prettier in OGL than D3D.
 
tranCendenZ said:
6800GT for the 16 pipes, 'nuff said. If you want ATI's lower quality and higher performance Brilinear AF filter simply enable Trilinear Optimizations on the 6800GT, and you will get the 10%-30% performance boost ATI cards are seeing in the benchmarks.

Far Cry performance should greatly improve with the v1.2 patch and enabling of SM3.0 in Nvidia drivers - the 1.1 version is totally messed up on NVidia cards currently.
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Cool! Everyone has been waiting to see the proof that Ati has lower quality. Where did you find it? Can you post a link? Don't tell me you're basing this off of the guy in that forum that posted a video. Cough up the real proof!
 
Right-click the shortcut, and go into properties. Then add "-OpenGL" after the address in the target field.
 
creedAMD said:
And when the 6800u runs in r300 mode it fixes all of the graphical problems that are seen in farcry on the Nv40, at a performance loss of course as oqvist just said.
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This would be more proof than anything that the problem lies with the game code, not nVidia's card.
 
DanK said:
This would be more proof than anything that the problem lies with the game code, not nVidia's card.
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What's the chance that crytek wrote the game code correctly for the r300 path but still can't get it right for the nv40 path? It is a TWIMTBP title. That's one hell of a ball to drop.
 
creedAMD said:
What's the chance that crytek wrote the game code correctly for the r300 path but still can't get it right for the nv40 path? It is a TWIMTBP title. That's one hell of a ball to drop.
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I doubt NV40 was available when they were making Farcry. Besides, the fact that nVidia pays to have their logo at the start of the game has nothing to do with the quality of Crytek's coding.
 
tranCendenZ said:
6800GT for the 16 pipes, 'nuff said. If you want ATI's lower quality and higher performance Brilinear AF filter simply enable Trilinear Optimizations on the 6800GT, and you will get the 10%-30% performance boost ATI cards are seeing in the benchmarks.

Far Cry performance should greatly improve with the v1.2 patch and enabling of SM3.0 in Nvidia drivers - the 1.1 version is totally messed up on NVidia cards currently.
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eeeh ATI:s brilinear is of much higher quality than nVidias brilinear ;)

And now with the new method you can enable trilinear on all stages on the x800:s which the 6800:s currently cannot do.
 
Im going to buy myself a FanBoy7900 With SM5 and it beats all of them :p Seriously but these threads get more stupid by the day just buy the bloody card you like thats not so hard is it :D
 
Trapine where can I preorder that one? It would be nice with a card you don´t have to upgrade for 5 years ;)
 
:p oqvist!At bestbuy lol.But Seriously all this Nvidia v's ATi was funny for awhile but now its just getting fucking pathetic :eek: Both cards are absolutly powerhouses No matter which way you look at them?No card ownz the other.
But im just amazed at how quik that cinamatic graphics have crept up on all of us and no one has payed the least bit of attention to it?Instead just getting bogged down in the Hype of the cards them selfs?(ME INCLUDED :p )Alls i gotta say is these are good times for gaming And enjoy the card you pick and heres to more DX9 goodness :D
 
tranCendenZ said:
Far Cry performance should greatly improve with the v1.2 patch and enabling of SM3.0 in Nvidia drivers - the 1.1 version is totally messed up on NVidia cards currently.
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I don't see how you could add greatly in there, nothing is pointing to any "great" increases with SM3.0, or pointing to otherwise. SM3.0 has to offset all of the performance enhancing "bugs" on 6800's, like running different shaders and having broken effects, all of which when fixed are going to lower performance
 
No it´s not the shader model 3 patch that will help the most it´s the removal of NV3X optimzations and such which will make the 6800 run very much the same PS 2.0 path as the Radeons. Hopefully it won´t hurt the performance to much but I would be surprised if it did really.

The shader model 3 patch won´t come or work until dx 9.0c arrives in september it looks like and we sure hope that the 1.2 patch won´t take that long :p

Not that it bothers me but Far Cry is one of my absolute favourite games and I want everyone to enjoy it :)
 
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