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64bit vs 32bit O/S's

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Sunin

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For windows when I install XP on my next build what are the advantages of using 64 vs 32? I mean besides being able to address the full 4gig...

Has there been any evidence of PPD increases?
 
Sunin said:
For windows when I install XP on my next build what are the advantages of using 64 vs 32? I mean besides being able to address the full 4gig...

Has there been any evidence of PPD increases?
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No gain in PPD. The disadvantages outweigh the advantages. You're going to have lots of problems with driver and software compatibility, or so I hear. Being able to address the full 4 gigs IS nice though.
 
I dont have experience with 64bit XP but all my 64bit Vista PCs are working without problem:)

 
I have XP64 and Vista64 installed. While I don't use them all that much, I don't have any trouble with them either. I prefer XP64 as I'm not a fan at all of Vista. Most of the problems have probably been with drivers for either one.

At this point in time, I wouldn't spend money on a 32 bit OS. Things are going to 64 bit so I don't see a reason not to go with 64 if you're buying a new OS. As much as I don't like Vista, it's going to be the de facto OS before too long.

I haven't done any checking on differences with regards to folding between the 32 and 64 bit Windows OSes but some people have reported that XP64 is actually faster than XP32 in things such as games and whatnot. I wouldn't be surprised with this considering XP64 is built off of the Server 2003 codebase.

I run Linux on all my systems so it doesn't matter to me but I would recommend going with a 64 bit OS over a 32 bit OS when buying a new one from now on.

 
I also run XP32 & XP64.
If its a plain folding rig the only thing you may have trouble finding drivers for with XP64 is your 3rd party 100mb nic card.
If I remember correctly, I only found one nic card chipset that had 64 bit drivers.

But then again, the oldest MoBo I'm running is only a couple of years old, so no real legacy stuff here.

Luck ............ :D
 
I'm running Vista x64 and don't really have any issues. I've got 8GB of ram, so Vista x64 was my only real choice. I had thought about WinXP x64, but I've heard that driver support is better for Vista x64


 
64 Bit Vista Ultimate here....no problems, but I have all new hardware. If you have legacy hardware you will probably have trouble with drivers.

Some of my older games don't like Vista 64 either, Kinda necessary to keep a seperate XP partition around for some stuff I have.
 
Archaea said:
64 Bit Vista Ultimate here....no problems, but I have all new hardware. If you have legacy hardware you will probably have trouble with drivers.

Some of my older games don't like Vista 64 either, Kinda necessary to keep a seperate XP partition around for some stuff I have.
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I find Vista-64 to be a bit faster then XP or Vista 32. XP-64 had virtually no support from either MS or the industry however Vista-64 is now very well supported.

SP-1 for Vista 64 when released will contain a few security updates and supposedly a lot of drivers MS wrote for things the OEM’s didn’t bother to.
 
I just upgraded from XP 64 to Vista Ultimate 64. I would agree, if you have XP 32 already, go ahead and install that. I would advise you not to use XP 64 if you are going to use the computer on a daily basis. Microsoft has gotten a little spotty in their support for XP, so you cannot really expect other companies to do much for them.

I too see 64 bit operating systems becoming the way of the future. I have 4 gigs in my system now, and while it doesn't use all of the ram most of the time, on occasion I can open enough to tax things a bit.

End result:

If you have XP 32 and 64 bit, use 32.

If you are buying an OS, go Vista retail (32 and 64) or Vista OEM 64 bit.

 
I am getting ready to go XP 64 here soon ...

I was able to find drivers for all my Video, Sound and chipset ..

Since win 2003 server and xp 64 are based on the same kernal .... drivers are easier to find ... well for me it was .....

Just can't deal with vista ...
 
my liking for xp 64 died a few months ago when I purchased and attempted to install a Microsoft Zune on XP 64.


Not supported

WHAT?


Vista 64 is the only operating that is supported for 64 bit.

C'MON

No kidding.


That pretty much tells you right there that XP 64 is on it's way out. When you can't even get driver support for Microsoft's most popular hardware peripheal for it.
 
I would pass to Vista 64 if only I can find a 64 bits OEM installation CD :( I only have the 32 bits one and nobody at work have a 64 bits version.

 
Xilikon said:
I would pass to Vista 64 if only I can find a 64 bits OEM installation CD :( I only have the 32 bits one and nobody at work have a 64 bits version.

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If you have product key you can call MS a tell them that your DVD isnt working - they will send you new DVD for ~10$ or you can download it from internet ;)
 
The only issue I encountered with Vista 64 and VMware is Driver Signing. Simple solution is to hit F8 prior to boot to disable Driver Signing, but you have to do that every time you reboot. This means you can no longer have unattended reboots.

I would REALLY love a way to turn off Driver Signing for good, but I don't think that is going to happen.

 
capreppy said:
The only issue I encountered with Vista 64 and VMware is Driver Signing. Simple solution is to hit F8 prior to boot to disable Driver Signing, but you have to do that every time you reboot. This means you can no longer have unattended reboots.

I would REALLY love a way to turn off Driver Signing for good, but I don't think that is going to happen.

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Thanks for the info. I don't have a problem with this since I seldom reboot and when it does, I must be present anyway because VMWare cannot start by itself (it take 2-3 mins for the network card to become ready and putting VMWare in the startup folder will just cause it to stall).

I'll order the alternate media tonight and I will report the results later when I reinstall.

 
capreppy said:
The only issue I encountered with Vista 64 and VMware is Driver Signing. Simple solution is to hit F8 prior to boot to disable Driver Signing, but you have to do that every time you reboot. This means you can no longer have unattended reboots.

I would REALLY love a way to turn off Driver Signing for good, but I don't think that is going to happen.

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I am running VMware in Vista 64 and I dont have to hit F8:confused: - everything is working OK.....
 
Rebel44 said:
I am running VMware in Vista 64 and I dont have to hit F8:confused: - everything is working OK.....
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Did you have to do something to make sure VMWare install fine and work right ?

 
I have Vista on four systems; three are 64 bit. I tried the 32 bit on one just to be differerent.

I have no complaints about Vista. Works fine for me and my SMP.
 
Yamaki said:
No gain in PPD. The disadvantages outweigh the advantages. You're going to have lots of problems with driver and software compatibility, or so I hear. Being able to address the full 4 gigs IS nice though.
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i havent had any yet, from office /work apps to many home programs

most reports are either for old software that doesnt have new versions (not MS fault), or your reading many old old reviews of vista 64.
 
Wheresatom said:
I just upgraded from XP 64 to Vista Ultimate 64. I would agree, if you have XP 32 already, go ahead and install that. I would advise you not to use XP 64 if you are going to use the computer on a daily basis. Microsoft has gotten a little spotty in their support for XP, so you cannot really expect other companies to do much for them.

I too see 64 bit operating systems becoming the way of the future. I have 4 gigs in my system now, and while it doesn't use all of the ram most of the time, on occasion I can open enough to tax things a bit.

End result:

If you have XP 32 and 64 bit, use 32.

If you are buying an OS, go Vista retail (32 and 64) or Vista OEM 64 bit.

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I would disagree. If you have both versions of XP I would run the 64 bit version. There are plenty of drivers out for it and I believe in many cases you can use the Server 2003 versions of drivers if there are no XP64 bit versions because XP64 is based off of the 2003 codebase rather than the NT codebase.

I've had no trouble with XP64 at all. It was simple to find drivers for all my stuff. Well, I don't know about my scanner but I rarely use it and it works just fine in Linux anyway, so it's not something I worry about.

 
Maybe I should revise to say be careful about the hardware you want to use. In my experience, finding a wireless card that works with XP 64 is very difficult. I wasn't expecting to have wireless cards jump off the shelves for me to use them, but I wasn't expecting to have the difficulty I did either. I ended up with a pretty cheap fix, that maybe part of my dislike for 64 bix XP. Also, the "workaround" I had to use to get my HP printer/scanner/copier to work actually turned it into a printer/copier. I had to pull out my old lap top if I needed to scan something.

XP 64 bit works, there is no question of it, but there is also no advantage to buying it right now. The rules microsoft has passed down for getting Vista certified require divers for 32 and 64 bit versions, XP had no such thing. Therefore some companies did not bother. A lot more research is required for XP 64 bit than Vista 64 bit because Vista is the more mainstream option. I am not a crowd follower, but in some cases, it pays to forgo the frustration.

XP 64 Bit OEM $139.99

Vista Business 64 bit OEM $139.99

Vista Home Premium 64 bit $109.99

 
XP64 driver issue i think also applies to alot of periphials, camer's, printers, scanners... where as vista has most older ones built in with it, or companies actually make drivers for vista.
 
I have to disagree with the general consensus.

Q6600 Vista 64 and 2xf@h SMP + Affinity changer is faster than the same with Vista x86.
I get 2 minutes per step better on 64 than on 32 at the same OC.
 
relic said:
I have to disagree with the general consensus.

Q6600 Vista 64 and 2xf@h SMP + Affinity changer is faster than the same with Vista x86.
I get 2 minutes per step better on 64 than on 32 at the same OC.
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As I said, I haven't done any comparisons between 32 and 64 bit. Besides, I've been all 64 bit on my 64 bit machines for a long time now.

 
This give me a strong reason to migrate to Vista 64 bits. I don't have a problem with legacy stuff since I discarded my Canonscan N656U which have no vista driver and being replaced by a HP F2120 multifonction printer with scanner.

Time for me to order the alternate 64 bits DVD for Vista (I have the key and media for the 32 bits version).

 
Good info to know! Thanks for the responses!



 
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