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5960X, Xeon, or wait for Broadwell-e?

M76

M76

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I wish to replace some old workstations that are used for heavily multi threaded IO intensive applications at my company.

We're still using X58 platform, with 980X and W3690 CPUs. and also some 4790 machines on H87 platform, but those perform relatively poorly.

The Haswell Xeon lineup is completely unknown to me. Are there any Xeons at the 5960X's price point that are worth looking at? And is it true that Broadwell E will offer 10 cores under $1000? Or is that only a rumour at this point? Because that's the only thing that would warrant the wait.

The new computers would need to last as long as the old ones.
 
M76 said:
I wish to replace some old workstations that are used for heavily multi threaded IO intensive applications at my company.

We're still using X58 platform, with 980X and W3690 CPUs. and also some 4790 machines on H87 platform, but those perform relatively poorly.

The Haswell Xeon lineup is completely unknown to me. Are there any Xeons at the 5960X's price point that are worth looking at? And is it true that Broadwell E will offer 10 cores under $1000? Or is that only a rumour at this point? Because that's the only thing that would warrant the wait.

The new computers would need to last as long as the old ones.
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The Xeon E5-1660 V3 is the equivalent Xeon to the i7-5960X and are only a little more expensive than the 5960X.
 
lutjens said:
The Xeon E5-1660 V3 is the equivalent Xeon to the i7-5960X and are only a little more expensive than the 5960X.
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But is it worth getting? If it's the same, then I don't think so. I'd need at least higher base/turbo clock to warrant the extra cost.
 
it all depends on your needs and when you need it.
Broadwell-E is supposed to be launched in April 2016 and be available in shops in november 2016.

One year from now.

Xeon could give you the same performance or even better now but at a higher cost.
 
M76 said:
But is it worth getting? If it's the same, then I don't think so. I'd need at least higher base/turbo clock to warrant the extra cost.
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Is it worth getting? I think the extra cost is worth it, due to the better quality of the die that you're getting when you buy a Xeon. Xeons generally leak less and are fully enabled when compared to an i7.
 
M76 said:
I wish to replace some old workstations that are used for heavily multi threaded IO intensive applications at my company. We're still using X58 platform, with 980X and W3690 CPUs. and also some 4790 machines on H87 platform, but those perform relatively poorly. The Haswell Xeon lineup is completely unknown to me. Are there any Xeons at the 5960X's price point that are worth looking at? And is it true that Broadwell E will offer 10 cores under $1000? Or is that only a rumour at this point? Because that's the only thing that would warrant the wait. The new computers would need to last as long as the old ones.
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Running the Xeon E5-1680 v3 I can tell you there is no difference with the 5960X except if you need lots of RAM, 128 GB, and your workstation apps are so precious that ECC RAM DIMMs are justified. High-end mobos with the 5960X processor support 128 GB non-ECC RAM while with the Xeon processor they support ECC RAM. Otherwise there is no difference. The "leaks" and "better binning" are urban legends. I am getting up to 4.3 GHz overclocking with my Xeon which is the same as the 5960X.

Regarding the Broadwell-E this is typical problem of buying now or waiting for new. There will be always new and better on the horizon, Broadwell release is specsed at H1/16 which might be two months or seven months away, if you can wait seven months in the worse case it is fine but then Skylake-E will start looming on the horizon :D.
 
The Xeons are in fact binned. The misconception is that they will overclock better.. that's not the criteria Xeons are binned for.
 
Mainstream broadwell (5775C) did very well and even upstaged skylake to an extent, but that seemed to be due in a large part to it's 128MB eDRAM L4 Cache, which is related to the onboard graphics.

Broadwell-E will be unlikely to have an L4 cache like the 5775C, as it has no integrated video. I would expect performance to not be much ahead of current Haswell-E.
 
sblantipodi said:
it all depends on your needs and when you need it.
Broadwell-E is supposed to be launched in April 2016 and be available in shops in november 2016.

One year from now.

Xeon could give you the same performance or even better now but at a higher cost.
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I'll definitely not wait that long. I'll try to push for a E5-2687W v3 instead.
 
GotNoRice said:
Broadwell-E will be unlikely to have an L4 cache like the 5775C, as it has no integrated video. I would expect performance to not be much ahead of current Haswell-E.
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it seems that intel is pushing on core count and not on IPC here.
it all depends on the price launch, I really doubt they give us an 8 core at 600USD and a 10core at 1000USD.

If it is true that broadell-e will have 10 cores, I expect a big jump in price over the 5960X and 5930K.
 
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