5770 or 5830, which brand?

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siluro

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I'm looking into purchasing a new graphics card for my computer.

I currently use:

e8400
p35
8800gt
4gb ram


I'm sort of stuck on deciding what new card to get. I've been considering the 5770 mostly, or possibly a 5830.

Any suggestions as to which way to go, I'm not looking to spend a lot of money so I'm wondering if the 5830 is worth the extra cost.

Also does anyone have any comments on which brand to go with? Currently looking at MSi's 5770 ($160), Powercolor's ($140), and the Powercolor 5830 ($230).

I'd also be interested in the games included, as far as I can tell, only Powercolor's 5770 comes with a dirt 2 coupon (may be mistaken), can anyone comment on that?
 
usually the 5770's come with dirt 2 and if it says so, it will. i'd go with a sapphire or asus brand just because they have worked well for me any many ppl i know and hvent personally dealt with powercolor.

msi is good as well i have an MSI 5850. so i'd say grab msi if they're more in your price range. and the 5830 is overpriced but is a bit better than the 5770.
 
At current prices the 5770 hands down. The 5830 is faster but not worth the extra money. Get a 5770 or a 5850.
 
None of the 5770's on newegg say anything about dirt2, I've only see then Powercolor PCS+ pictured with what I think was the dirt2 coupon. Does anyone know?

The MSi as a card looks to be superior to the other available because of the dual fan multiple heatpipe cooling, I've also really been pleased with my 8800gt which is also MSi and has a similar cooling with only a single fan.
 
Got the Powercolour PCS+ and it's an excellent card! The slight overclock they gave it and the new 10.3 drivers have it running very close to my 4890 and I'd assume the GTX275.Until the 5830 comes down to $180-$200, it's another pointless product.
 
How well can the PCS+ overclock? I know the MSi has what I think is a far superior cooler, but I'm not sure how far you can push the PCS+ since it has a smaller cooler...
 
I'm a big fan of XFX's double lifetime warranty (i.e. transferrable to the new owner when you sell it), but I've never had to make use of it on any of the XFX cards I've owned. Also, they're one of the few brands that allow you to swap the cooler without voiding the warranty (you just need to put the stock cooler back to RMA it). Nowadays, most vendors are using the same hardware and slapping a different HSF or sticker on it, so support is really the defining characteristic. I've heard some people say that XFX's service when you need to use that warranty isn't necessarily the best, but I don't have any firsthand experience.
 
siluro said:
How well can the PCS+ overclock? I know the MSi has what I think is a far superior cooler, but I'm not sure how far you can push the PCS+ since it has a smaller cooler...
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I have the PCS+ here (they have way too many SKUs so not sure if that's the one you're looking at). Came with GRID2 and with the price+rebate a few weeks ago I just couldn't pass it up, was a good $40 less than the Hawk or any 1GB XFX at the time which didn't have GRID2.

I've had it running at 930/1300 pretty much since I got it, probably won't mess with it too much more since any higher would require a voltage bump. It already comes slightly oc'd at 875/1225 up from stock 850/1200. I honestly doubt I would notice a gameplay difference going from stock to 930/1300 but hey, free clocks is free clocks so I'll take them.

Haven't been disappointed in it whatsoever yet, no gray screens or anything like that. Temps are consistent with what most 5770 reviews show (max load ~70C, fan stays fairly quiet). I was coming up from a 3850 so the performance jump is noticeable and the power consumption is near equal which is impressive. Just need to get the rest of my new hardware up and running to let this baby have a little room to breathe :D. Haven't even been able to take it for a spin around the DX11 block since my Win7 system has been in limbo waiting for a hsf, but I can't complain in WinXP.

EDIT: More on oc'ing- Forgot to mention I can't get voltage adjustments working in MSI Afterburner to see if it has any further headroom. I think this would require some BIOS retooling with RBE to get higher voltage but maybe someone else has had more luck with afterburner after flashing to a different BIOS or something. IMO I wouldn't expect higher clocks to have too much of an effect so I haven't put much effort into getting more voltage to it at the expense of heat and power.
 
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Yeah, overclocks nice. Mine only got to 917/1325, but at those speeds it very nice and overshadows the 4890. Mine also came with Dirt 2 which I ended up giving away on these forums because the 5850 I bought (at launch!) came with it. Best part, is that the card is tiny, I have an XFX 5770 and the Powercolour 5770 is a good inch shorter and overclocks better.

Like I said before, forget the 5830, it's overpriced or under performing depending how you look at it, and get a 5770. And 5770's don't get much better than the Powercolour 5770 PCS+.
 
I recommend the MSI R5770 HAWK, especially if you want to OC with stock cooling.
 
What ver of PCI-E do you have on your motherboard. If it is 1.0a or 1.1 you my have issue with the ATI card. There are several people including me who have issues with ATI 5xxx line graphics cards on a ver 1.0a/1.1 PCI-E motherboards Then there are some who don't. Currently the only way to fix it is a bios update but the manufactures apparently do not want too give anybody. This just friendly advice.
 
Steer clear of the MSI HAWK 5770s, go the route of the Sapphire 5770 Vapor-X. The Twin Frozr II cooler on these perform about the same as the stock coolers. The difference is the HAWK uses a few more watts due to the "military grade" components and thus the card actually runs a couple of degrees warmer than the stock 5770s. This fact really doesn't change when overclocked, either. The HAWK's only strength is that it is one hell of an overclocker, but its not got too much of an advantage over the stock cards. Sapphire's Vapor-X 5770, however does run a few degrees cooler. Either way, if you're [H]ard either card will overclock decently, the MSI card will only net you 10-20MhZ more on the core tops.

Don't even bother with the 5830. Spend a bit less now, save some pennies, and grab a second 5770 in a few months. You'll have a bit more performance than a 5850 in most games and you'll have spent about the same amount.

I was recently in the market, too, decided on 2x Sapphire 5770 Vapor-X after doing a fair amount of research. Once they arrive, the GTX 275 goes bye bye and I'll end up with those 2 5770s plus a physx card that I have yet to decide on.
 
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What ver of PCI-E do you have on your motherboard. If it is 1.0a or 1.1 you my have issue with the ATI card. There are several people including me who have issues with ATI 5xxx line graphics cards on a ver 1.0a/1.1 PCI-E motherboards Then there are some who don't. Currently the only way to fix it is a bios update but the manufactures apparently do not want too give anybody. This just friendly advice.
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Can anyone elaborate on this? I searched around but could not find anyone making similar claims about PCIe 1.1 issues. I'm in roughly the same boat as the OP, in the market for the same videocards, but I have an abit IP35 Pro motherboard, and... :( abit. No BIOS updates for me.

edit: I did find some topics on this on other sites, but those topics seem to be limited to AMD motherboard chipsets.
 
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LAiN_OfTheWired said:
Steer clear of the MSI HAWK 5770s, go the route of the Sapphire 5770 Vapor-X. The Twin Frozr II cooler on these perform about the same as the stock coolers. The difference is the HAWK uses a few more watts due to the "military grade" components and thus the card actually runs a couple of degrees warmer than the stock 5770s. This fact really doesn't change when overclocked, either. The HAWK's only strength is that it is one hell of an overclocker, but its not got too much of an advantage over the stock cards. Sapphire's Vapor-X 5770, however does run a few degrees cooler. Either way, if you're [H]ard either card will overclock decently, the MSI card will only net you 10-20MhZ more on the core tops.

Don't even bother with the 5830. Spend a bit less now, save some pennies, and grab a second 5770 in a few months. You'll have a bit more performance than a 5850 in most games and you'll have spent about the same amount.

I was recently in the market, too, decided on 2x Sapphire 5770 Vapor-X after doing a fair amount of research. Once they arrive, the GTX 275 goes bye bye and I'll end up with those 2 5770s plus a physx card that I have yet to decide on.
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Hmm well I did a direct comparison of a XFX reference 5770 and my hawk, and it was a 2w diff at idle, 3w diff at load. The hawk runs at 875mhz vs. 850 stock, when I downclocked the hawk to 850 it was running 2w diff at idle, 1w LESS at load. Temp wise, my hawk runs about 20c cooler under load AND it runs at 25mhz faster than ref so even at stock its worth it, especially cause this card doesn't ever make a single peep. I would be willing to wager the 2 fans are the cause of the idle wattage discrepancy more than the boards design, but I could be wrong. All wattages were measured via a kill-a-watt wall meter, idle was for 20min win7 64bit fresh install. Load was furmark for 5min, both cards at their stock (with the exception of the downclock) settings.
Overall, I love my hawk and it overclocks like a fiend at a great temp, I have never even seen 70c on this card nor the fans above 75%, even at 1000mhz/1415mhz core/mem running furmark.
 
djsb said:
Can anyone elaborate on this? I searched around but could not find anyone making similar claims about PCIe 1.1 issues. I'm in roughly the same boat as the OP, in the market for the same videocards, but I have an abit IP35 Pro motherboard, and... :( abit. No BIOS updates for me.

edit: I did find some topics on this on other sites, but those topics seem to be limited to AMD motherboard chipsets.
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Sorry to only add to your AMD chipset list, but I also heard of some comments about this while reading through newegg reviews and whatnot. For the time being I've put my 5770 into a 4 year old ASRock 939Dual-SATA2 board that more than one person had complained about it not working with, yet mine booted up just fine. The last BIOS update for that board was from 2006 and according to the user manual that is a PCIe 1.0a spec slot.

I think it's a YMMV type deal unfortunately, but your mobo looks to be even newer than mine with PCIe 1.1 and probably stands a good chance at working. You've gotta take some of those user reviews/forum posts with a grain of salt since a good portion of them are probably screwing something else up entirely to make it not work.
 
@Roland00
At current prices the 5770 hands down. The 5830 is faster but not worth the extra money. Get a 5770 or a 5850.
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Yup. 5850 for $310 or less if you can find it, is the better way to go. If money is tight, buy 5770 and save the money for a second later.
 
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