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512MB XMS or 1GB VS

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ApocalypZ

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I am stuck between buying one stick of 512MB PC3200 XMS Corsair or 1GB ValueSelect PC3200.... both are same price its just a matter of which.

What would you suggest?
 
XMS. I wouldn't touch and value ram of any kind on an Nforce2 board, I've had nothing but trouble with cheap crap on those boards. They're picky.
 
What is the price of the value select? Kingmax makes 3500 for about 73 dollars per 512 dimm. And the pcb is red :)
 
Originally posted by Mad_Pyro
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-156-008&catalog=147&depa=1

:eek: Stares incredulously :eek:

Why the hell did no one tell me about this BEFORE?!!?!?
I bought PC3200 Kingston HyperX 3200 for 176 and thought it was a decent deal...

This would have matched my mobo (NF7-S) perfectly!
Damnit...

Nice ram.
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Because there is no information on the timings? Warranty? Etc?

Because most of us buy from a place where we know exactly what we're getting and what we can do with it.
 
i dont think the Nforce2 boards are THAT picky, well they are not picky enough to let me take RAM that isnt on their compatibility list and push it to 2-3-3-5 timings on a crappy ass a7n8x-x board that wont even do 200FSB
 
Originally posted by retardedchicken
i dont think the Nforce2 boards are THAT picky, well they are not picky enough to let me take RAM that isnt on their compatibility list and push it to 2-3-3-5 timings on a crappy ass a7n8x-x board that wont even do 200FSB
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Hey come on, I like the mobo! Flash to 1007 and try. Have you tried the Uber bioses? VDD selection is unlocked in these, and you might want to try upping it.
 
I'm running the Value Select RAM in my system...I originally bought it for another computer, but ended up putting it in mine and sending the Mushkin back (chipset on the SB65G2 didn't like it).

I'm running 5:4 (250/200) on my system, so I'm fine with what I have...
 
I personally use nothing other than corsair for my overclocked computers and crucial for normal computers. There's other good ram like munskin(sp?), but i will no longer put anything other than the best ram in my computers now, too many bad expierences.
 
Originally posted by xFROSTx
I personally use nothing other than corsair for my overclocked computers and crucial for normal computers. There's other good ram like munskin(sp?), but i will no longer put anything other than the best ram in my computers now, too many bad expierences.
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Mushkin is actually the best, but you pay for it... I use Corsair. And Crucial.
 
Read this article for some surprising information on "premium" memory and timings. You may be surprised.

http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=ddr400myths&page=1

I'm almost certain you would do better with 1GB of generic over 512MB of "fast" ram. When I minimize America's Army and have IE and Mozilla open, I only have 350MB left of my 1GB available.

Of course, 1GB of RAM with the faster timings is best. :)

(sorry if you've seen me post this link a couple times, I just think it is super informative)
 
Originally posted by jamezzz122
It's like a Ferrari or two Civics...I'd get the Ferrari:p
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Don't be an elitist. The difference isn't that noticable, and would only be evident in certain benchmarks. However, the difference between a gig or 512 WOULD be noticable.

Memory timings are so much less important than something like, say, processor speed.
 
Originally posted by souja9
Read this article for some surprising information on "premium" memory and timings. You may be surprised.

http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=ddr400myths&page=1

I'm almost certain you would do better with 1GB of generic over 512MB of "fast" ram. When I minimize America's Army and have IE and Mozilla open, I only have 350MB left of my 1GB available.

Of course, 1GB of RAM with the faster timings is best. :)

(sorry if you've seen me post this link a couple times, I just think it is super informative)
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a. It's a company selling things, not one just reviewing things, this gives them a questionable motive (you can get bulk buys REALLY cheap on crap ram, and they seem to push it a lot, with a bad markup)
b. They give no info on the timings used / settings used / fsb speeds / overclocking.
c. Look at their ratings at reseller ratings. 6.9 is NOT good.
d. They are very uninformative about this "test". It just seems like numbers someone pulled out of their ass.
e. There have been benchmarks at Anand, Sharky, etc (respected web companys that are NOT trying to sell you something) that show differently than their test does, a GREAT deal differently.
f. They charge an almost 50% markup on parts.
g. There is much more to ram than the pure speed. You have to deal with timings, overclockability, and more.

I wouldn't trust them as far as I can throw them. That is NOT a real test. Stop posting it, it informs nothing, as there is nothing backing up the information other than some editors opinions. Get the REAL tests, and learn something, please :)

From the other thread:

EDIT: Your info, sir... from tweaknews, a respected site:
"As an often overlooked component in a computer system, memory repeatedly takes a third seat behind the processor and motherboard when a person is considering building a custom computer. If only I had a dollar for every time someone was seeking help with a problematic computer when I would find they have the latest high performance overclocking motherboard, a blistering fast processor and the cheapest bargain-basement generic memory the person could find.

If you don't already know by now, good quality memory is absolutely an essential part of a stable high performance computer. As the main component transferring data from the CPU to the rest of the computer, it more often than not can be the weak link in the computational chain if a user is experiencing poor overclocking, performance and stability"
http://www.tweaknews.net/reviews/xms/

And the kind of info I would want in a review, at minimum:
"The one main difference which will be labeled in every graph is that I test the slower Corsair and OCZ at 2-5-3-2 memory timings whereas I could only test the XMS4000 at 3-8-4-4. Even at DDR400, the XMS4000 would not boot even into the BIOS if 2-5-3-2 timings were applied. But as you will see, timings don't play a huge role in memory performance. When it comes to raw data transfer, megahertz matters and this is where the XMS4000 pulls away from everyone.

Everything else is absolutely identical right down to the software and drivers. I will not be testing this memory at the CPU's highest overclock seeing to do so, I would be using the memory divider and essentially underclocking the memory below it's rated speed. *Note: It did reach 3.45Ghz without a sweat"

If you continue on through their review, you see a decent (8%) difference in = speed ram...


http://www.amdmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=177&PageID=3
And here's a comparo between all of them. Notice which ones keep running at extreme speeds and timings? Corsair and Mushkin. Your "value" would have died long ago, just like the Kingmax (and even Crucial) did.

Simply put, you're on an enthusiast board (and welcome), and here, we can't use the value crap. It just won't hold up to overclocking, extreme timings, and the work that we put it through.
 
Originally posted by KingPariah777
Don't be an elitist. The difference isn't that noticable, and would only be evident in certain benchmarks. However, the difference between a gig or 512 WOULD be noticable.

Memory timings are so much less important than something like, say, processor speed.
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I wouldn't go that far... I've seen noticable differences running slack timings vs not, more so than I did with a 1gb vs 512mb system.
 
Originally posted by KingPariah777
Don't be an elitist. The difference isn't that noticable, and would only be evident in certain benchmarks. However, the difference between a gig or 512 WOULD be noticable.

Memory timings are so much less important than something like, say, processor speed.
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1GB of RAM is definately faster then 512MB no matter what the timings but timings are VERY important. Yes the processor speed is more important than timings but after 3.2GB/s or so timings are more important then bandwidth. You shouldn't compare processor speed to RAM. They are two seperate things. The RAM and the PSU are the two most critical parts of your system. Both of them are some of the most falure prone devices involved. RAM compatibility is a huge issue and alot of generic and value RAM has issues in some motherboards.

The processor can only work as fast as it can get data from the cache and RAM. Tigher timings mean the data is accessed much faster. Just going from CAS 2 to CAS 3 means it takes a whole extra clock cycle to finish that operation. If you look at the results for a short period of time then of course its not a big difference but if you look at something you are doing over a much longer period of time all those extra clock cycles add up in a hurry. Games work the best off of tight timings. More so then anything else. Tight timings might just decide in a game whether you Frag or get Fragged :).
 
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