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The easy gains are gone. It is not an act of laziness that there is a ton of emphasis on "alternative techniques" to make things faster, from all vendors.
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I had a friend that was heavily leveraged into Luna, but he's a rich lawyer and I don't think he cares anymore. My only position were coins he gave me that had like 50k in value and went to zero.Sadly. However, I have some friends that lost everything when the bubble burst, so I'm not terribly unhappy in that respect.
Worst launch since the 2080?
4080s owner, wouldn't upgrade if it only cost me $50. Just not worth the effort
It's not a good upgrade from Nvidia's 3xxx or AMD's 6xxx because, in hindsight, very nearly anybody who would have wanted to make such an upgrade already would have done so with a 4080 super. Artificial scarcity and artificial price premiums are not good reasons to buy.I'd say somewhere between the GTX 4xx and 2xxx series, yeah. Not great (or even all that good), but the new software features are a nice look at future things to come.
If you're an RTX 3xxx or RX 6xxx user tho, RTX 5080/90 looks to be a decent upgrade.
Artificial scarcity? Did people forget that Nvidia was royally reamed by investors for overproducing GPUs and having to buy back a metric-fuckton of unsole stock?It's not a good upgrade from Nvidia's 3xxx or AMD's 6xxx because, in hindsight, very nearly anybody who would have wanted to make such an upgrade already would have done so with a 4080 super. Artificial scarcity and artificial price premiums are not good reasons to buy.
That's like the earliest days of graphics card bitcoin mining when downclocking the memory freed up additional power for the GPU cores. I was curious if using GDDR 7 memory would be a power hog like the switch from PCIe 4 to PCIe 5 m.2 drives' memory controllers.Word on the street is you have too much memory bandwidth on the 5080, so going -500 or -1000 on the vram and giving power budget to the core can get you up to ~3300mhz and within 15% of the 4090.
Artificial scarcity? Did people forget that Nvidia was royally reamed by investors for overproducing GPUs and having to buy back a metric-fuckton of unsole stock?
Nvidia won't be producing large quantities of GPU for any release for the foreseeable future. Get used to it.
4080 also gets the DLSS improvements so you essentially have the 5080 already -- just a slightly lower power limit and no useless multi frame gen.Worst launch since the 2080?
4080s owner, wouldn't upgrade if it only cost me $50. Just not worth the effort
Do we known for sure considering the B100-B200-H100 demands that Nvidia is not fully using his TSMC volume it can realistically get ? unstop for many months in a row now ?When you purposefully make less of a product than you otherwise readily can so as to further spur demand, that is artificial scarcity.
Sure and if you sacrifice a goat. Stand in a dark room and spin around 90 times and chant Jensen. Your 5080 will grow horns and the built in ai will generate 3.666 frames for every prime reality frame.Word on the street is you have too much memory bandwidth on the 5080, so going -500 or -1000 on the vram and giving power budget to the core can get you up to ~3300mhz and within 15% of the 4090.
Sure and if you sacrifice a goat. Stand in a dark room and spin around 90 times and chant Jensen. Your 5080 will grow horns and the built in ai will generate 3.666 frames for every prime reality frame.
I'm pretty sure if that was true in any way nv would have released it that way rather then release a 5080 that is only a few % faster then AMDs xtx never mind the single digit bump over the 4080s.
While true, don't forget that Nvidia had to shift all their production windows with TSMC to accommodate the flaws in Blackwell data center parts.Artificial scarcity? Did people forget that Nvidia was royally reamed by investors for overproducing GPUs and having to buy back a metric-fuckton of unsole stock?
Nvidia won't be producing large quantities of GPU for any release for the foreseeable future. Get used to it.
Is that significantly different ?, TPU stock result the 5080 is at 13% of a 4090 at 4k pure raster, 19% with RT on....Word on the street is you have too much memory bandwidth on the 5080, so going -500 or -1000 on the vram and giving power budget to the core can get you up to ~3300mhz and within 15% of the 4090.
My point simply meant to say that Nvidia isn't artificially limiting the supply to drump up some FOMO.While true, don't forget that Nvidia had to shift all their production windows with TSMC to accommodate the flaws in Blackwell data center parts.
TSMC production windows are scheduled months if not years in advance, and if you have to stop something you can't just start another with the flick of a switch, and TSMC will not extend your window if it means delaying somebody else's. So who knows what Nvidia has been required to scrap and move around to facilitate the late discovery of the Blackwell flaw?
Nvidia very well could have been forced to shred a whole run of Blackwell, take the production run that was for the gaming components, and re-allocate them to the data center parts, so now what was the second data center run will have to become the main consumer-run and that won't happen until some time in early March most likely.
So that could easily force Nvidia into a paper launch because they took a portion of the run that was putting out the flawed Blackwell components turned it into their GB202 and GB203 components, and then took the run that was intended for GB202 and GB203 and put it back onto the Blackwell parts to get their enterprise parts back on track. But it would result in a 3-4 month switch in their shipping dates with initial low availability of both.
Considering how similar (the exact same ? according to TPU density at least), is it not some big decision to stop making Lovelace die once you start pumping the Blackwell one, it is not like they could have made more cards by continuing to make 4080s in any ways...
Do we known for sure considering the B100-B200-H100 demands that Nvidia is not fully using his TSMC volume it can realistically get ? unstop for many months in a row now ?
Nvidia blatantly did that with the RTX 3000 series. Do you not remember people posting picture next to hundreds of retail packaged cards? Of MSI scalping its 3090 stock on Ebay? Part of the problem with the 4000 series launch was that there were so many 3000 cards sitting in warehouses that had been held back for too long the 4000 series was delayed a bit to stave off a market flood and price drop.My point simply meant to say that Nvidia isn't artificially limiting the supply to drump up some FOMO.
Anyone who even remotely considered this to have a hint of truth hasn't been paying attention and at this point intentionally remaining ignorant for whatever reason.
Seeing as you believe Nvidia is artificially limiting stock to create fomo, I have an amazing investment opportunity for you in the form of beach front property out in Nevada. Trust me, bro.Nvidia blatantly did that with the RTX 3000 series. Do you not remember people posting picture next to hundreds of retail packaged cards? Of MSI scalping its 3090 stock on Ebay? Part of the problem with the 4000 series launch was that there were so many 3000 cards sitting in warehouses that had been held back for too long the 4000 series was delayed a bit to stave off a market flood and price drop.
Not sure what would be the alternative to be happily mercenary has a seller, but I would think they let other outbid the buyer instead of accepting first offer without trying to see what the max that can get, the competition here being entity like Apple that sell their chips per MM even higher than nvidia.TSMC is openly, brazenly, and happily mercenary and will sell to whomever meets their price, first come, first served
If only, not sure if it is anything special:5000 series is even more explicitly focused on that market
This slide really threw me for a loop. As I said the market is nuts right now. Although I will say if you were one of the lucky few that jumped on a 4090 when it dipped down to $1500 you made out.View attachment 707134View attachment 707135
The raster is even uglier then I expected. Launching this as a 4080 ti would have been disappointing.
AMD's GPU division is run by knuckle dragging retards, they have squandered every opportunity handed to them on a silver platter for the last decade. If they had anyone with brains left there they would have continued producing 7900XTX's and significantly undercut the 5080 to retake high tier market share.AMD has a huge opportunity to garner good value with their next releases.
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Right, they have the potential, but they just never have the hardware.AMD's GPU division is run by knuckle dragging retards, they have squandered every opportunity handed to them on a silver platter for the last decade. If they had anyone with brains left there they would have continued producing 7900XTX's and significantly undercut the 5080 to retake high tier market share.
Yep. It trades blows with the 4080, so it's exactly what we'd expect from a 70 series card. The VRAM also isn't enough for newest titles at highest settings. Which is kinda acceptable for a midrange card, but not high end.This is essentially a RTX 5070. If priced at $550, it would be a good card though with a high power draw for a mid range card.
The actual "RTX 5070" may only perform as good as an RTX 4070 Ti, or be between the 4070 Super and 4070 Ti. Would be kind of sad if the 4070 Ti Super was faster than the 5070.
But it's named and priced like a 80 series card. Lol.
is it really "the age or RT" if there is only like 40 games and 8 GPUs that have it?AMD hasn't been able to release a decent high end RT card, that's been their Achilles heel...in the age of ray tracing they are stuck with rasterization
Raster will always be primary. RT feels to me like a fading trend. Being the first noticeable visual upgrade in some years, they grabbed hold of it and ran with a single feature that requires extra hardware to do. It doesn't look like it will keep scaling upward and as I've said before, it just isn't that impressive, not to me at least. Not skyrocketing the price for cards with the performance gains we've been getting each cycle impressive anyway.AMD hasn't been able to release a decent high end RT card, that's been their Achilles heel...in the age of ray tracing they are stuck with rasterization
AMD hasn't been able to release a decent high end RT card, that's been their Achilles heel...in the age of ray tracing they are stuck with rasterization
is it really "the age or RT" if there is only like 40 games and 8 GPUs that have it?
no frame gen?
its not there yet.
sorry, its crept up to about 50, out of thousands and thousands and thousands...
At those speed some driver overhead issue could be big impact on FPS, 0.2 millisecond become a lot at 600 something.WTF is going on here?
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5080-founders-edition/46.html