$5000 Computer

[apHytHiaTe]

Calm down ladies!

Time for a group hug

 

[ThA_FiLeR]

this thread's a joke..

 

[dwayne001]

w/ the exception of the mobo and the storage, check the sig, check what was in vogue a year ago, and then laugh until your heart's content.

And quertyman? It doesn't take long to make fun of you ;-)

Mark my words though, this di novo thing is like, kinda wimpy. i have to use my belkin nostromo to play any kind of FPS now....

 

[apHytHiaTe]

<eggrant>
let me just say that if you aren't using newegg.com for your parts, then you are stoned out of your mind
</eggrant>

Generally isn't any keyboard based on bluethooth an overpriced piece of rubbish?

Edit:

this thread's a joke..

Thank you Captain Obvious!

 

[EnderW]

EnderW— Black cases are cooler? Have you seen what Lian Li is selling nowadays???? The PC V1200 is the nicest thing around dude, hands down.

Yes, I've seen it. It's overpriced and ugly. Asthetics are something people will always disagree on, but Lian-Li cases are quality cases regardless of how they look. My PC-65 is just as good as that ugly SILVER thing.

And unlike your boxy pc-65, it’s got the curves to match.

I love my PC-65B, I'd take it over a XaserIII anyday.

‘You don’t build a $5000 machine’ if you’re not gonna take advantage of those resources to get the most for your money. What kind of enthusiast are you—no Ocing…it’s why half the parts you chose are hot--- the Board you chose, the Ram, the chip (you chose the 3.4C..if you didn’t care about OCing, you would have chosen the 3.4E..it’s got more cache, and it supports the new multimedia spec.), all wildly popular because of their over-clocking abilities.

YOU DON'T NEED TO OVERCLOCK A $5000 COMPUTER!! How many times do I have to say it? Most people overclock because they want more for their money. There is no need to overclock when you have the fastest of everything. Stability is much more important to me then 100 more points in fucking 3dmark.

If you want a fast machine at stock speeds, get a Dell Dimension XPS. Even Alienware has over-clock-able units…

So you're saying anyone that builds their own computer and doesn't OC, should buy a prebuilt machine?

The best part was when you you pull all this hardware, call it a Dram Machine and then say you don’t do a lot of gaming. Why have the vid card then? Get a 9800 XT and spend the cash on what you DO do on your machine.

Why? Because I can, and when I want to game, I will have plenty of power to run my games at 1600x1200.

Like a nice set of headphones so the neighbours don’t hear the audio tracks of all the porn you plan on keeping on that half-terabyte monster.

I had a pair of Sennheiser HD580s, but I sold them, b/c I don't like wearing headphones. Who said anything about porn?

Disagree with me please, but spare me the lies! Even if you didn’t over-clock it at first, for $5000 you’d be crazy not to include the option. Especially w/ the hardware your pushing.

The option is open whenever I want. If I wanted to add extreme cooling down the line, I could, no problem.

And no use for a fan controller? Even if you worked at stock speeds, a $5000 machine means that you have control over every little thing—that’s what you’re paying for.

No, it doesn't mean that at all. It means spending money on what I want - not what you think is cool.

No real performance in an overclock? I’ve seen 3.4C pushed beyond 4ghz w/ the proper cooling and man, that’s a significant difference.

What can I do at 4GHz that I can't do at 3.4GHz? Nothing, maybe my benchmarks will be faster, but normal everyday usage, I'd never tell the difference.

I still don’t get the thing with the Plextor Premuim. Personally, I’ve never been loyal to a company..I look at what’s out there and when it comes to CD-RWs, there’s crap and there’s what works. I can’t see the Plextor burning any better than the Samsung given Nero 6 and reasonable media.

I'm not loyal to Plextor, it's just that the Plextor Premium is one of the best drives you can get and there is no reason not to. Remember this is my rig, not your's.

Here is a review of the Plextor Premium, read it and you'll see why I want it.
http://www.cdrlabs.com/reviews/index.php?reviewid=185

As for loudness—since you’re not letting us know what cools your rig we have no idea how loud it is with or without said drive. I like quiet, but it’s not like I’m gonna try to sleep during the 4 min it takes to burn a CD.

Compared to my NEC-2500A, it's very loud. I don't know why you are so in love with the Samsung combo drive anyway.

The bottom line is that it's fine that you 'want' x drive and y (black) case, etc., but don't go claiming to be making a “Dream Computer” with those lazy specs.

How the fuck are my specs 'lazy'? Because I don't have a silver case with a bunch of fucking LEDs and cathodes in it with lots of case stickers so it looks like the computer equivelent of a riced out civic? UBAR COMPUTER D00D!!! Becuase I don't OC when I see no need to?

We all read and contribute here because we pretty much agree on what makes a machine more than a smattering of parts—it’s what your able to do with them, how you’re able to put them together in a package that performs quickly, maybe quietly, but looks astounding to boot.

Looks and performance are two different things. I'm not buying this compuer and if I was, I'd do some more research and perhaps change a few things, but there is nothing wrong with that parts I've chosen. They are top of the line and would work fine together.

And I don't like the 'tricked out' glow in the dark computer look. I like simple and classy, which is why I have a plain black Lian-Li. We have different tastes in asthetics, it's not important, get over it.

When your machine is just plug and play...you got some cool parts—it’s not so cool. Anyone could have that.

It's a very cool computer and I'm sure anyone on this forum would take it in a second. Your statement about it's just plug and play doesn't even make sense...would you prefer something hard and complicated to setup?

We’re classified as ‘Gawds’ on the [H]

You're Limp, I'm Hard.


Your computer is fine, if that's what you want, but I don't. Some parts I really disagree with:

Antec TruControl 550 $200.00
(Modded to be modular, sleeved, and react w/ UV lighting)

Way better then that shitty PC Power & Cooling - what was I thinking?

Coldcathode Dual Kit x 2 $18.00
(Two cold cathodes on one switch. We’ll go UV blue to match the backlighting of the Cooldrive 4 below)

Rocker Switches $29.99
(Three rocker switches that sit in the 3.5” bay. Flip them up and the led in each rocker switch goes on, and it turns on the light of the cathode dual kit it’s attached to, illuminating your machine. The LEDs will shine blue to match the Cooldrive 4 below)

OMG COOL!!! Neon lights in a computer - how practical!!

Coolermaster Cooldrive 4 $40.00
(Controls 4 fans and gives you a read out of the temps in all four areas in addition to keeping that crazy WD Raptor drive cool enough to last the life of the warranty.

Not necessary in my opinion when my PC-65 has (2) 80mm fans directly in front of the drive bay cage.

Logitech Z680 5.1 $250.00

Over the Klipschs??? You're cazy.

Mr. EnderW still has loads of storage and if he wants he can use the remaining $468.10 to take his old machine and put a couple more drives in it..have it sit always on so he can dL whatever he likes without having to worry about rebooting when he installs stuff like XP SP2, etc. Home networks are really useful that way.

Truth be told, in the case of home networks, I’d rather take about half of the storage in the above rig and chuck it into the old machine. Add 2 more drives($326). That would leave him w/ about $142 to play with. If you’re spending $5k, get yourself a damned network. A router w/ a WAP and a USB wireless adapter should allow him to stuff that old black thing in any corner he wishes….

Let’s add one of those web cams and a mic for an additional $50. With the router w/ WAP and the wireless USB adapter ($80) along w/ 2 more hard drives—we’re down to $02.10 (we’ll say we bought all this end stuff on Amazon or new Egg to get free shipping -- we’re in no rush)

The point of this was to build one $5000 computer, not $5000 worth of computer parts. Perhaps if I was actually going to spend the money, I'd do things differently, I'm not so it's not important.

so EnderW can buy himself an Ice Cream cone.

I'd rather have a pair of sunglasses to shield my eyes from your glowing case.

 

[EnderW]

this thread's a joke..

Yes, it is a joke. I'm really building the thing.

 

[mc_P]

EnderW, no offense or anything but you really need to go out more.

 

[EnderW]

EnderW, no offense or anything but you really need to go out more.

why do you say that?

 

[foenix]

I have to say if I were going to build a system for under $5,000.00 (and again this is just my personal preference it would be something like this:


Thermaltake "Tsunami" VA3000 $140.00
Abit IC7-Max3 $185.00
Swiftech MCX159-R (for the Northbridge) $36.00
Intel Pentium4 3.4C HT $415.00
AeroCool HT-101 (for the P4) $52.00
2GB Corsair TWINX1024-3200XLPRO $690.00
(2) 74GB WD "Raptor" SATA HDDs (RAID 0) $370.00
(2) Vantec VORTEX HDD Coolers (for the Raptors) $60.00
(2) 250GB WD "Caviar SE" WD2500JD SATA HDDs (RAID 1) $264.00
(1) 250GB WD "Caviar SE" WD2500JB EIDE HDD (on SecureIDE) $176.00
Plextor PX-712A 12x DVD+/-RW $160.00
Samsung SH-152AEBUB 52x CD-ROM $18.00
Visiontek ATI X800XT Platinum Edition $500.00
Audigy2 ZS Platinum Pro $210.00
GigaWorks S750 7.1 Surround $415.00
Antec True550 EPS12V $110.00
Belkin 1200VA UPS $180.00
Microsoft Wireless Optical Pro KB/Mouse $85.00
19" Viewsonic VP191s Pro-Series LCD Monitor $719.00

Total Cost: $4,785.00


Also, imho you don't really need the extreme low latency (XL) RAM if you aren't planning on OC'ing it. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Qwertyman]

"And quertyman? It doesn't take long to make fun of you" You spelt qwertyman wrong.

 

[dwayne001]

"I'd rather have a pair of sunglasses to shield my eyes from your glowing case."
-EnderW

Touche ;-)

I've heard the Klipsch speakers and the Logitech ones. In the home entertainment world i think a lot of people would be surprised to learn that Klipsch is not exactly the high end. They make good products but no one in the home entertainment media world gawks at their offerings because, well, they're frankly not that amazing. This leads me to wonder why PC enthusiasts continue to link them with superior sound quality.

For my purposes, and I think for those of a lot of enthusiasts, no matter the money involved, we're not content with paying money for something 'just cause we can,' there's tends to be a little frugality involved. In the case of the Z680s over the Klipsch Promedia 5.1 (or vice versa) I don't see why someone would pay all that money for something that 'might' have a very marginal SQ advantage. Those things can roar and thunder--but so can the Z680s can, but people rarely try to pull that off because they're afraid of hurting their precious Klipsch's. There's no hardware decoding--Dolby digital Music, Movie, etc, and UI is nowhere near as intuitive as the Z680s--it's lightyears behind (who wants to double click the power button to get the headphones to work) and why? Because the mentality behind their design is that of conventional speaker manufacturers; these people don't have the familliarity, history or legacy w/ computer peripherals that logitech has and that's evident in their control panel implimentation, their lack of remote control.....i simply don't see what all the fuss is about when it comes the the big German K.

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Foenix's setup is pretty interesting. I'm partial to the thermaltake case, the sound card, the aerocool and the mobo, for obvious reasons. I also have the belkin 1200VA. It gets a bad rap from some--they think Belkin is sub standard or something but as i renovated my house (it's one of those 100 year old Brownstones, so you can imagine the wiring) this spring the power to the game room would cut on and off until everything was set up correctly and that thing held up fine. It's also kind of hot when the British accented woman sounds over the loud speaker talkin' 'bout "Power Disrupted" or whatever. For the money, and with the Belkin coupon code until July 31, "1234" (Thanks www.bensbargains.net) it's not a bad buy for ~$80

I'm interested in why Foenix would want to spend the money on RAID 0 considering the evidence suggesting that the performance gain isn't significant. Then again, 74gb for a drive that holds hte ever growing Windows along with ALL of your apps and games prolly needs to be more than the ~60gb you'll get our of that thing at this point.

 

[Ice Czar]

STFU n00b

unacceptable
you post something like Im bored so I blew $5000 and your going to get people that are going to react to that, and when they do, rising to the bait isnt acceptable especially with new members
Hell I havent read through far enough to see if this is an excerise or your really doing it
pretty ambigious 1st post, dream can be interpreted both ways, so dont climb up on that high horse without getting specific

there is a reason the 1st rule is no flaming,

I hate you.

this thread's a joke..

and for the thread crappers, no one is forcing you to post
while you might not give a damn, these threads are allowed because they often bring up valid points regarding compatibility and performance issues, so either ignore it or read it and possibly learn something

Isn't that a bit expensive for just a 510 watt power supply? Also, if you are going with 1TB of storage, I would get a SATA Raid adapter and one more 250GB drive for Raid 5. I would hate to loose some 250GB of data if just one of those 4 drives fail.

Doc, for comparision purposes to other supplies a PCP&C Turbo Cool 510 would be a 600watt PSU (650 peak), with the fattest rails, lowest noise and tightest specs around, and could handle upto 15 drives and dual CPUs depending on what else was present, if your droppin that kind of cash, its a cheap insurance policy

 

[That_Sound_Guy]

a "dream" computer without going 64-bit. now theres a good idea. Seriously, go with SATA expansion cards and a 64 bit CPU. Course i would never build a machine over $2000. What a waste of cash.


*yes Im ready for the flame from EnderW*

Just my opinion..

 

[dream caster]

I hate you.

TRANSLATION: "I would love to be able to buy those parts"


(me too!)

 

[foenix]

Course i would never build a machine over $2000. What a waste of cash.

This is a very subjective decision. Keep in mind that not all systems are just for gaming and small task operations. My job is Animation, Modeling, Visual Effects, etc. and trust me when I say that, to be competitive, a $2,000 machine just won't cut it. A QuadroFX 4000 alone is about $2k (and we're not even going to get into the cost of 8GB of RAM). Everybody's own "dream" system serves a different purpose; so while some may be able to get away with a $1,200 dream system, other may be forced to spend alot more to fulfil their dream. Just my 2 cents.

 

[foenix]

TRANSLATION: "I would love to be able to buy those parts"

That's the way I took it as well

 

[foenix]

I'm interested in why Foenix would want to spend the money on RAID 0 considering the evidence suggesting that the performance gain isn't significant. Then again, 74gb for a drive that holds hte ever growing Windows along with ALL of your apps and games prolly needs to be more than the ~60gb you'll get our of that thing at this point.

For the most part, this theory relates to normal (everyday) desktop usage. Here's an example of what I mean:

"There are certain uncommon situations where RAID 0 can significantly improve system performance. For example, editing of large audio or video files is sometimes limited by the maximum sequential transfer rate of the hard drives, but it is far more common for the processor to be limiting factor. Generally, if you frequently make simple edits to large media files, RAID 0 can potentially improve your productivity. Examples of "simple" edits might include removing portions of an uncompressed audio file, or combining two video files." -- StorageReview.com

I do alot of video editing, animation, etc., and am therefor just used to building in RAID 0 as the main array. I agree with you that most systems will probably not see a big performance increase (if any) by going with a RAID 0 setup. Also, ~60GB is more than enough to hold your core apps (that is, the apps that would actually see a raid 0 increase in performance) like Maya Unlimited, SoftImage XSI, AfterEffects, etc. Don't get me wrong, if I were building a "dream system" for this purpose it would definitely be a slightly different configuration, but it would also cost more than $5K; this was the best I could do on this budget.