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agar said:x800XT>6800U>6800GT>x800Pro
advanced101101 said:Umm the other way around...
x800XT<6800U<6800GT<x800pro
advanced101101 said:Wherever the card is delivered to is what you are taxed...thats how it is on circuitcitys site.
EnforcerGT said:I think he got it right the first time. The XT is faster than pro.
Dyslexic said:No the XT is faster than everything including the ultra. When AA and AF are enabled at higher res the X800 XT is a faster card. Who cares wich is faster with no AA and AF? I havent played a game without AA 4x and AF 8x in at least a year unless it is not an option. With CPU limitations you have to enable features to see what a card can do.
agar said:x800XT>6800U>6800GT>x800Pro
WalteRr said:I'd take the 6800gt personally, it's almost guaranteed to hit ultra speeds, maybe even ultra extreme speeds.. plus better features, better image quality than ati (can we say true trillinear?) list is endless basically.
advanced101101 said:Umm the other way around...
x800XT<6800U<6800GT<x800pro
Vagrant Zero said:I suggest you read up a little before mouthing off. With the new beta drivers from both companies everything is up in the air as to who holds the performance crown. We'll know more come August [with D3/HL2 being used as benchs].
Dyslexic said:No the XT is faster than everything including the ultra. When AA and AF are enabled at higher res the X800 XT is a faster card. Who cares wich is faster with no AA and AF? I havent played a game without AA 4x and AF 8x in at least a year unless it is not an option. With CPU limitations you have to enable features to see what a card can do.
Dyslexic said:Blah Blah Blah All you NVidia fanboys just keep coming up with excuses. Now you want to wait for new games to bench on. I thought the 6800ultra was like 500% faster with its new drivers, now we need to see new games for the 6800ultra to take the lead. I have read alot of reviews and in most of them including new ones the X800 XT is faster when AA and AF are enabled at higher res except for Quake 3 engine Open GL games where the frame rates are so high it makes no difference. If NVidia does eventuslly win the race I'll be the first to give them credit and buy one of there cards but from what I have seen ATI has the best preformance in games that I play at the settings I play them at. They are also selling them for less $$$$$. No way can you find a 6800ultra for $435 or a 6800GT for $329 (thats what I paid for my X800pro).
burningrave101 said:So according to ACTUAL reviews and not ATI fanboy BS the cards go like this:
6800u > X800XT PE > 6800GT > X800Pro > 6800nu
Dyslexic said:All those new features you are talking about are nice but useless until games suport them, and that wont be for a while. By then we will all have new cards to argue about.
From Techreport
"The Radeon X800 series cards perform best in some of our most intensive benchmarks based on newer games or requiring lots of pixel shading power, including Far Cry, Painkiller, UT2004, and 3DMark03's Mother Nature sceneespecially at high resolutions with edge and texture antialiasing enabled. The X800s also have superior edge antialiasing. Their 6X multisampling mode reduces edge jaggies better than NVIDIA's 8xS mode, and the presence of temporal antialiasing only underscores ATI's leadership here."
agar said:x800XT>6800U>6800GT>x800Pro
Sorry, not true. This isn't the FX vs. the XT. Trust ,me (I have one), you can crank up the fsaa and af all you want. Even at 8X FSAA and 16X AF, and forced trilinear, I still score over 6600 in 3dmark03 (12,849 @ default). I noticed you don't have an XT or Ultra, so your not really in a position to know.No the XT is faster than everything including the ultra. When AA and AF are enabled at higher res the X800 XT is a faster card. Who cares wich is faster with no AA and AF? I havent played a game without AA 4x and AF 8x in at least a year unless it is not an option. With CPU limitations you have to enable features to see what a card can do.
StArWaRrIoR said:How did you come to this conclusion?
scott122 said:Sorry, not true. This isn't the FX vs. the XT. Trust ,me (I have one), you can crank up the fsaa and af all you want. Even at 8X FSAA and 16X AF, and forced trilinear, I still score over 6600 in 3dmark03 (12,849 @ default). I noticed you don't have an XT or Ultra, so your not really in a position to know.
Dyslexic said:I can read reviews and get all the info I need. I could use the same arguement with you since you only have one of the cards. How do you know your 6800ultra is as fast as a X800 XT since you dont have a X800 XT? That is kinda silly dont you think? I have already said they are both great cards and fast as hell. Really its about the price in this case. You have got to be a real NVidia fanboy to get a 6800GT when you can get a X800 XT for almost the same price.
burningrave101 said:Lets see the reviews. I have seen every review out there that is using the latest drivers and i havn't seen a single one that shows that. The 6800u is just as good as the X800XT PE at AA + AF and the 6800u is much better at AA. The X800XT PE handles AF better. Its a trade off. The 6800u shines at higher resolutions like 1600x1200, just like the FX 5950 did. Except now the nVidia card handles AA + AF as well as the ATI card.
The 6800 cards support 32-bit floating-point, Vertex Shader 3.0, Pixel Shader 3.0, UltraShadow II Technology, and better AA. I'm also going to go out on a limb here and say that the 6800's overclock better then the X800's. And i say that primarily because of the 6800GT which will hit 6800u speeds and faster and supports a full 16 pipelines unlike the X800 which supports 12. No matter how high you overclock the X800Pro it wont be able to do what the X800XT PE can because of that limitation.
The 6800u requires a bit more power then the X800XT PE does but thats common when the 6800u has 220 million transistors on its core compared to the measly 160 million on the X800XT PE. Anyone that has a name brand 400w PSU isn't going to have a problem running a 6800u. Anyone that doesn't have a 400w+ PSU most likely doesn't have enough money to buy a $500 video card to start with so there isn't a problem.
And please dont start it with the single slot, dual slot argument. There is no argument there. Unless you have a SFF case you have no excuse for bitching about it. Anyone that runs a PCI card seated up against their $500 video card is just shy of having a brain the size of a flea.
So according to ACTUAL reviews and not ATI fanboy BS the cards go like this:
6800u > X800XT PE > 6800GT > X800Pro > 6800nu
agar said:The actual reviews voted the XT/PE the better card. It's funny seeing THG, known Nvidiot voting the XT the superior card. Plus the only reason the ultra has been doing better is from their new 'non-WHQL' approved drivers. As usual.
That's the problem. The reviews don't support what your sayingI can read reviews and get all the info I need. I could use the same arguement with you since you only have one of the cards. How do you know your 6800ultra is as fast as a X800 XT since you dont have a X800 XT? That is kinda silly dont you think? I have already said they are both great cards and fast as hell. Really its about the price in this case. You have got to be a real NVidia fanboy to get a 6800GT when you can get a X800 XT for almost the same price.
burningrave101 said:Those prices aren't staying that way bud. The X800XT PE is going for cheap right now as a "special offer". The MSRP on the X800XT PE is $499 just like the 6800u. The MSRP for the X800Pro is $399 just like the 6800GT. When these cards hit places like Newegg and the special deals are over their going to be priced in that price range. nVidia isn't going to try and charge $100 more for their card then what ATI is offering their X800XT PE.
The reason the 6800 ultras are so expensive is because there are so few on the market right now. They are starting to pump more and more out every day now though. There are a whole bunch of board makers jumping in the mix for the 6800 series cards. In a few weeks i look for prices to fall on the 6800u and it to be in the same price range as the X800XT PE. The 6800GT should go for the same price as the X800Pro upon its release next week. The 6800's have been running their MSRP at $299 for a couple of weeks now and thats because they are in good supply. The main reason for that is they dont use the high speed QDDR3 memory.
burningrave101 said:Yea the actual reviews using the 60.72 drivers lol. When are you guys going to get it through your thick heads that anything pre 61.34 is worthless. nVidia has ALWAYS done better with their drivers then ATI has. nVidia's drivers are more stable and give larger performance boosts. You can call them non-WHQL or whatever else you want but they've already been tested thoroughly on quite a few forums and hardware sites and people that actually have 6800 series cards.
scott122 said:Even with BETA drivers the Ultra is just about dead even with the XT. Additionally, the XT is a topped-out design, where as the Ultra is new from the ground up. At this point they are very even. The Ultra has the advantage because the performance limits are just starting to be explored, and we don't even have anything beyond BETA drivers running it.
Yes, post more, because what you posted is an "OPINION", not the hard numbers. Opinions are nice, but the numbers are what counts.Edit: Hey scott, from THG "Until then, the new performance leader is ATi's Radeon X800 XT Platinum Edition." That's just one review, you need me to past more?