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Creepingdeath1977 said:
Well not to fuel to this fire but....:D
http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/12/10/get-your-devil-may-cry-4-video-fix/
Devil may cry 4 seems to be running better on the Ps3 than the 360.
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what are you basing that off of? A comment by an anonymous user on ps3fanboy.com?

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the only comparing quote on ign: "Kobayashi spent a little extra time switching back and forth between PS3 and 360 debugs, and it was pretty tricky to see any noticeable difference in the game itself"

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didn't watch the video (still havnt), but thats where said comment is supposed to be
 
I also remember hearing that Graw2 and the Darkness also run better on the PS3. I know that the time between release dates on Graw2 give the PS3 a huge advantage in the amout of time to work out the bugs but it still does run better.
 
Defective said:
Gabe is lazy? Ok, so this is meant as just a non-sequitur remark then? We are supposed to read this as: "Gabe is lazy." (End Statement - Disclamier, not meant to be part of this actual conversation. Just me bashing fat people) (Begin relevant discussion now) "I don't blame Valve . . ."
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And that's exactly how it's to be taken. Right after that, I said I don't blame Valve for not wanting to do the PS3 version hands on themselves. I can't believe you're still prattling on.

It's not complex. I insulted Gabe. Get over it. Why did you jump on the comment and derail the thread ? Sorry if personal correctness hasn't consumed my view. With few medical exceptions, someone gets that fat due to their own action or lack of action. If this offends you that much, get thicker skin.
 
Crighton said:
I also remember hearing that Graw2 and the Darkness also run better on the PS3. I know that the time between release dates on Graw2 give the PS3 a huge advantage in the amout of time to work out the bugs but it still does run better.
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Doesnt look like it.

IGN:

Graw 2: PS3 - 8.3, 360 - 9.1

"Beyond that, this port is … really good. Sure, there's a framerate stutter or two when you're in the rides to the next mission and when you're getting intel from your Mexico contact, but it's nothing to freak out about; the colors seem a bit more washed out in the PS3 version than the 360 version, but it works with the desert setting; and the exaggerated, rocking camera found on the 360 when Mitchell would run has been toned down."

Darkness: PS3 - 7.7, 360 - 7.8

"The PlayStation 3 version is virtually identical to the 360, other than the occasional aliasing issues and sporadic slowdown."
 
Furystrike said:
"The PlayStation 3 version is virtually identical to the 360, other than the occasional aliasing issues and sporadic slowdown."
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The Darkness hits stores on June 26th for both Xbox 360 and PS3. With that said I’m sure many of you are wondering what the differences between the two are and simply which is the better version. I don’t have much information to pass beyond a small comment from the 2K Team that details at least one difference.
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"The main difference between the 360 and PS3 versions at this point is the amount of video content on the disc. Blu-Ray discs have more storage capacity so there’s more video content on the PS3 version. This is NOT in-game cinematics or anything like that. It’s mainly the video stuff you’ll see on TVs throughout the game."

http://www.unscripted360.com/2007/06/15/the-darkness-ps3-vs-360/

I wonder if IGN picked up on that detail ?
 
Stereophile said:
And that's exactly how it's to be taken. Right after that, I said I don't blame Valve for not wanting to do the PS3 version hands on themselves. I can't believe you're still prattling on.

It's not complex. I insulted Gabe. Get over it. Why did you jump on the comment and derail the thread ? Sorry if personal correctness hasn't consumed my view. With few medical exceptions, someone gets that fat due to their own action or lack of action. If this offends you that much, get thicker skin.
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I'm not offended. Insult away. I just think its funny that you inserted a useless comment about somoene being lazy when the original point being contested was the developer being lazy, defending your statement, and then later saying that it was completely unrelated to the conversation. Next time someone talks about a game being sloppy, I'm going to comment about the lead developer's sloppy hair. Maybe I'll also talk about how a member of the 360 R&D team's car broke down when talking about 360 failure rates. :D
 
Stereophile said:
With few medical exceptions, someone gets that fat due to their own action or lack of action. If this offends you that much, get thicker skin.
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this is incorrect. How your body decides to store excess calories has a strong correlation to your genetics. Do yourself a favor and search scholar.google or pubmed for "obesity and genetics" before you spread your ignorance too far.
 
I can confirm Darkness and GRAW run better on the PS3. Darkness does have some aliasing issues , but overall both of these titles run better on the PS3
 
Sixthsense said:
The same site that gave the Fragfx a 9.1? give me a break
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howbout gamespot?

"The Darkness is available on both the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3, and the differences between the two versions are pretty minimal. The PlayStation 3 version seems to have slightly better color than the 360 version, but the 360 version looks a bit sharper. Also, the Xbox 360 version has achievements, and the PlayStation 3 version gives you the same tasks, but calls them accomplishments. Regardless of what you call them, they're evenly spread, with a few that come from winning more multiplayer matches than you'll probably be willing to endure. Overall, both versions are equally recommendable."

what are you basing your claim off of? Thats the big two reviewing sites. Are they just lying to us?
 
Furystrike said:
howbout gamespot?

"The Darkness is available on both the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3, and the differences between the two versions are pretty minimal. The PlayStation 3 version seems to have slightly better color than the 360 version, but the 360 version looks a bit sharper. Also, the Xbox 360 version has achievements, and the PlayStation 3 version gives you the same tasks, but calls them accomplishments. Regardless of what you call them, they're evenly spread, with a few that come from winning more multiplayer matches than you'll probably be willing to endure. Overall, both versions are equally recommendable."

what are you basing your claim off of? Thats the big two reviewing sites. Are they just lying to us?
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I'm basing this off my personal experience, I tried them both . I don't need a review site to tell me what's good and what's not
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1031742926&postcount=624

Hey, that's my opinion read all you want, I tried it already. I have two copies of Rainbow Six Vegas, one for the PS3 and one for the 360. 360 looks and runs better opposed to the PS3, although darkness and graw 2 run better overall on the PS3.
 
Sixthsense said:
I'm basing this off my personal experience, I tried them both . I don't need a review site to tell me what's good and what's not
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1031742926&postcount=624

Hey, that's my opinion read all you want, I tried it already. I have two copies of Rainbow Six Vegas, one for the PS3 and one for the 360. 360 looks and runs better opposed to the PS3, but darkness and graw 2 run better overall on the PS3.
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and your entitled to it.
 
Furystrike said:
what are you basing that off of? A comment by an anonymous user on ps3fanboy.com?

Christ man did you watch the video?
Both guys work at 1up and in the video they talk about capcom bringing a new build by the office and one of them said it was the first time he could really tell a big difference in both versions and he commented several times where he stated he could clearly see the Ps3 running the game MUCH better.
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Creepingdeath1977 said:
Furystrike said:
what are you basing that off of? A comment by an anonymous user on ps3fanboy.com?

Christ man did you watch the video?
Both guys work at 1up and in the video they talk about capcom bringing a new build by the office and one of them said it was the first time he could really tell a big difference in both versions and he commented several times where he stated he could clearly see the Ps3 running the game MUCH better.
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Sorry, didn't watch the video, just read the page.
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So Fury is it your position that reviews posted on websites are something other than one person's opinion?

Sixthsense has posted his opinion on the games. He actually went as far as to play test both versions side by side and come to his own conclusions. IGN prob has done the same thing. Both view points are valid. My problem with swearing by IGN has to do with their track record when it comes to reviewing games. They consistently pick a favored system and give it more favorable scores. You can go back and compare the PS2 scores to the XBOX score and see that even though most people I know could clearly see that the XBOX was superior graphically and even in gameplay on some games. IGN had crowned the PS2 the king of all consoles and the scores were inflated. It seems they have now chosen the 360.

I could go and download a review from PlayStation Magazine about Graw2 and show you were they backed up Six's claim. They should have a bias although at the time the were an independent company and their review scores were comparable to other web reviews. ( See the review of Lair if you want to see them badmouth a Sony exclusive.) They are now owned by Sony though so I see no need to show you the reviews.

When you quoted the Darkness review from GameSpot you portrayed this review as something that favored the 360 version over the other and clearly they could not decide between the 2. They even received the same score. I cannot however pay any real attention to any review sight that will fire a reviewer for giving a game a bad score.
 
Crighton said:
So Fury is it your position that reviews posted on websites are something other than one person's opinion?

Sixthsense has posted his opinion on the games. He actually went as far as to play test both versions side by side and come to his own conclusions. IGN prob has done the same thing. Both view points are valid.
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And I said he's entitled to his opinion. I will take the IGN reviewers word, you can take whatever anonymous person on the internet you choose.

When you quoted the Darkness review from GameSpot you portrayed this review as something that favored the 360 version over the other and clearly they could not decide between the 2. They even received the same score. I cannot however pay any real attention to any review sight that will fire a reviewer for giving a game a bad score.
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i'm sorry if you mis-interpreted me, it wasn't my intention to portray the 360 version as better. The null hypothesis was that PS3 > 360 for the darkness. I quoted gamespot to give evidence otherwise. I think that I even said the scores were the same...

thanks for your input?
 
Stereophile said:
:rolleyes:
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How much do you know about beta oxidation versus fatty acid synthesis? Have you taken any courses in genetics or biochemistry? Did you bother doing a pubmed search on obesity and genetics? Have you ever done any NIH funded research on the effects of exercise training? Are you in medical school?
 
Xbox 360 was great and all, but many of the games that I wanted to play on it eventually came to PC (Gears of War, Bioshock, Oblivion, etc.) Which is why I sold it.

Now I have a PS3 and so far, I like it. Currently playing Ninja Gaiden and Tekken 5: Resurrection. Looking forward to getting Ratchet and Clank. Also, I like Gran Turismo more than Forza.

One more thing to note, the PS3 is WAY QUIETER than the 360, which is what I want for my media area!
 
Furystrike said:
How
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You answer my question first. Why are there so few fat people in the developing world ? Does anyone get that fat eating 2000 calories a day ? No.

Spare me your sanctimonious BS. Of course genetics plays a roll, however nobody ends up like Gabe Newell without a lot of poor diet and exercise choices. Don't play the victim card.
 
Stereophile said:
You answer my question first. Why are there so few fat people in the developing world ? Does anyone get that fat eating 2000 calories a day ? No.

Spare me your sanctimonious BS. Of course genetics plays a roll, however nobody ends up like Gabe Newell without a lot of poor diet and exercise choices. Don't play the victim card.
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*sigh*

/ignore
 
Furystrike said:
And I said he's entitled to his opinion. I will take the IGN reviewers word, you can take whatever anonymous person on the internet you choose.




i'm sorry if you mis-interpreted me, it wasn't my intention to portray the 360 version as better. The null hypothesis was that PS3 > 360 for the darkness. I quoted gamespot to give evidence otherwise. I think that I even said the scores were the same...

thanks for your input?
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I am glad you chose to ignore the whole point of my post and try to further your agenda. So I will state it once again in much more simplified manner.

Point one IGN and Gamespot have both been seen as compromised when it comes to the validity of the reviews that the publish concerning the PS3. IGN for example will give the same game (graw2) almost a full point lower while stating that the game actually has better camera movement and that the port is really good. They then go on to say that there were some minor frame stutter. (Something I have never witnessed myself and a point that IGN seems to say is in every PS3 title.) but it is nothing to freak out about. I will dismiss the "washed out color comments because they seem to think it fits the settings and I have read other reviews that have said that the color scheme is actually better in this version of the game. This seems more to be a matter of taste than anything else.

Point two. Most of the examples of poor PS3 porting that come to mind are games that are not in the current crop. The bad porting seems to be more the exception than the rule in the last few months. A lot of people have used the word lazy when referring to a developer of a poor port. I don't think you have ever said the PS3 could not handle doing the same games as the 360. I think you were saying that the PS3 just was not getting any ( or maybe many ) good ports. This was an issue that I see as being in the past for the most part. of the major cross platform titles that have been out in the last 2 months only Orange Box was named as an example of a bad port. COD4 is good on both systems as well as Assassin's Creed. Kane and Lynch sucked equally as well. The developer for the PS3 version of Orange Box is EA not Valve. I don't think that valve was in any way being lazy in this choice. I just think that they should be very angry with the poor results that have been produced using Valve's flagship title. It seems to me that Valve is being dragged in the mud much more than EA. I would expect a person to do a good job when I hired them to do a job and that is what Valve should have expected. As for picking EA with their proven record for doing a poor job on the PS3 ,well that can only seem to me to be a poor business decision.
 
Crighton said:
I am glad you chose to ignore the whole point of my post and try to further your agenda. So I will state it once again in much more simplified manner.

Point one IGN and Gamespot have both been seen as compromised when it comes to the validity of the reviews that the publish concerning the PS3. IGN for example will give the same game (graw2) almost a full point lower while stating that the game actually has better camera movement and that the port is really good. They then go on to say that there were some minor frame stutter. (Something I have never witnessed myself and a point that IGN seems to say is in every PS3 title.) but it is nothing to freak out about. I will dismiss the "washed out color comments because they seem to think it fits the settings and I have read other reviews that have said that the color scheme is actually better in this version of the game. This seems more to be a matter of taste than anything else.

Point two. Most of the examples of poor PS3 porting that come to mind are games that are not in the current crop. The bad porting seems to be more the exception than the rule in the last few months. A lot of people have used the word lazy when referring to a developer of a poor port. I don't think you have ever said the PS3 could not handle doing the same games as the 360. I think you were saying that the PS3 just was not getting any ( or maybe many ) good ports. This was an issue that I see as being in the past for the most part. of the major cross platform titles that have been out in the last 2 months only Orange Box was named as an example of a bad port. COD4 is good on both systems as well as Assassin's Creed. Kane and Lynch sucked equally as well. The developer for the PS3 version of Orange Box is EA not Valve. I don't think that valve was in any way being lazy in this choice. I just think that they should be very angry with the poor results that have been produced using Valve's flagship title. It seems to me that Valve is being dragged in the mud much more than EA. I would expect a person to do a good job when I hired them to do a job and that is what Valve should have expected. As for picking EA with their proven record for doing a poor job on the PS3 ,well that can only seem to me to be a poor business decision.
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point one: thats fine dude, whatever. I will continue listening to the IGN and gamespot reviewers, but you don't have to. I think that they are the best way to judge titles without playing through them myself, but you can judge things whatever way you think is best.

as for point two, i'm not sure what your issue with me is...

the PS3 can run games as well as the 360 (we both agree)
in the past, the 360 has had some ports better than the PS3 (we both agree)
there is a recent port that runs better on the 360 than the PS3 (we both agree)
in the future, most ports will be good, but most likely there are going to be quite a few that are better on the 360 (we might not agree)
 
Furystrike said:
point one: thats fine dude, whatever. I will continue listening to the IGN and gamespot reviewers, but you don't have to. I think that they are the best way to judge titles without playing through them myself, but you can judge things whatever way you think is best.
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Basing your outlook on games reviewed by IGN and Gamespot is not a smart way to go through life. But uh, whatever.
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Dallows said:
Furystrike said:
point one: thats fine dude, whatever. I will continue listening to the IGN and gamespot reviewers, but you don't have to. I think that they are the best way to judge titles without playing through them myself, but you can judge things whatever way you think is best.
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Basing your outlook on games reviewed by IGN and Gamespot is not a smart way to go through life. But uh, whatever.
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Oh, you mean taking a professionals opinion first and then an anonymous internet users second? Live life however you want to bud, but thats how I operate and it works for me. But uh, whatever, wouldn't trade my life for yours.

Seriously, moving on, and can we please not resort to calling people fat and stupid if we're going to have a serious debate?
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Furystrike said:
point one: thats fine dude, whatever. I will continue listening to the IGN and gamespot reviewers, but you don't have to. I think that they are the best way to judge titles without playing through them myself, but you can judge things whatever way you think is best.

as for point two, i'm not sure what your issue with me is...

the PS3 can run games as well as the 360 (we both agree)
in the past, the 360 has had some ports better than the PS3 (we both agree)
there is a recent port that runs better on the 360 than the PS3 (we both agree)
in the future, most ports will be good, but most likely there are going to be quite a few that are better on the 360 (we might not agree)
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for point one we seem to agree on one thing. Playing the games through yourself is the best way to judge what games are good or bad. I just don't see how reading a review from a site that has proven to be bias is anymore valuable to you than reading a person's opinion who has proven in the past to not be bias and has played them both himself. I myself read as many opinions as I can and then try and see what common threads are there. I try and play the games myself as well since I can rent them. I didn't provide my opinion on the games in question since you would have once again dismissed it as a random guy on the net and not from one of the only 2 sources you deem credible.

Point 2 I thought was simple enough. My position is that in the past few months is has become clear that most developers are now producing quality games for both systems. There are going to be less and less poorly done ports on the PS3 and that cross-platform games will not even be a factor in the buying decision of a new console customer. You said you do not believe this to be true and that is your choice. I think that exclusive content is going to become more and more important in a consumers choice now. The 360 has some great exclusive content but some may find that they would rather play it on the PC and play games that are actually exclusive on the given console. The 360 is so close to a PC that most of it's exclusive content can be played on a PC leaving the PS3 as the console with more compelling games.
 
Crighton said:
for point one we seem to agree on one thing. Playing the games through yourself is the best way to judge what games are good or bad. I just don't see how reading a review from a site that has proven to be bias is anymore valuable to you than reading a person's opinion who has proven in the past to not be bias and has played them both himself. I myself read as many opinions as I can and then try and see what common threads are there. I try and play the games myself as well since I can rent them. I didn't provide my opinion on the games in question since you would have once again dismissed it as a random guy on the net and not from one of the only 2 sources you deem credible.
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I just don't think that they have proven to be biased, but thats an subjective view. Also, they have a structured way of grading games, something that Joe Hardforum hasn't necessarily perfected. That doesnt just go for IGN and Gamespot, it goes for anyone who earns their living by reviewing games.


Point 2 I thought was simple enough. My position is that in the past few months is has become clear that most developers are now producing quality games for both systems. There are going to be less and less poorly done ports on the PS3 and that cross-platform games will not even be a factor in the buying decision of a new console customer. You said you do not believe this to be true and that is your choice. I think that exclusive content is going to become more and more important in a consumers choice now. The 360 has some great exclusive content but some may find that they would rather play it on the PC and play games that are actually exclusive on the given console. The 360 is so close to a PC that most of it's exclusive content can be played on a PC leaving the PS3 as the console with more compelling games.
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Maybe. Maybe not. Thats something that will be revealed in the coming months. My views are largely based on the 'here and now'. Like I said earlier though, I will most likely get a PS3 once the price tag drops and some more quality exclusives come out for it (see: Final fantasy XIII)

However, the 360/PC argument doesnt hold up for me. My PC is showing age, and I'll always take my new 42" LCD + Leather couches (which I bought instead of buying a new PC) over my desk. You may prefer to play 360/PC exclusives on the PC, and I'm sure most people on this forum also do. But there are many of us gamers (possibly the majority, possibly not) that have my perspective. So in that regard, a 360/PC exclusive is really a 360 exclusive in my eyes.
 
Crighton said:
The 360 has some great exclusive content but some may find that they would rather play it on the PC and play games that are actually exclusive on the given console. The 360 is so close to a PC that most of it's exclusive content can be played on a PC leaving the PS3 as the console with more compelling games.
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I agree to this to an extent. Sony has more 1st party development houses. For the moment, they also have Final Fantasy, although the future of that series as an exclusive is in doubt as is the future of Metal Gear games after MGS4. Microsoft has ramped up the number of games that it produces with games like Ninja Gaiden 2, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Mass Effect, and Crackdown that will not appear on the PC but it is still short on franchises it owns by comparison. The 360 has less, but if the last of the hold outs, Square-Enix and Konami, go multiplatform with the big franchises, then the differences aren't going to be that vast.
 
Furystrike said:
Dallows said:
Oh, you mean taking a professionals opinion first and then an anonymous internet users second? Live life however you want to bud, but thats how I operate and it works for me. But uh, whatever, wouldn't trade my life for yours.

Seriously, moving on, and can we please not resort to calling people fat and stupid if we're going to have a serious debate?
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I'm not going to argue with you. But I would not call the ign guys "professionals." But uh yeah I guess you just like living life by what other people tell you. That's fine.
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Dallows said:
Furystrike said:
I'm not going to argue with you. But I would not call the ign guys "professionals." But uh yeah I guess you just like living life by what other people tell you. That's fine.
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You like taking shots at me huh?

Look chief, they are professionals because they are paid to review games. You're not paid to review games, and neither am I, which means that they must be extra good at it. They have a formal structure to follow, and have more experience reviewing and playing games than anyone you or I know. And no, I don't just take the IGN guys opinions. Any professional reviewer is just as good to me.

Seriously, either contribute something to this thread and grow up a little or get out.

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Actually, do whatever you want. I make it a point to not get into discussions with people like you, as you like to make things too personal to ever get any enlightenment out of a debate. Accordingly, welcome to /ignore.
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Furystrike said:
You like taking shots at me huh?

Look chief, they are professionals because they are paid to review games. You're not paid to review games, and neither am I, which means that they must be extra good at it. They have a formal structure to follow, and have more experience reviewing and playing games than anyone you or I know. And no, I don't just take the IGN guys opinions. Any professional reviewer is just as good to me.

Seriously, either contribute something to this thread and grow up a little or get out.

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Actually, do whatever you want. I make it a point to not get into discussions with people like you, as you like to make things too personal to ever get any enlightenment out of a debate. Accordingly, welcome to /ignore.
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Sorry if I offended your love for game reviewers.
 
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