360 Bannhammer

The Donut said:
Swapping for new ones in stores doesn't really matter right now anyway, as the new Oct 09+ boxes have an unmoddable LiteOn drive.

This was a well planned move by Microsoft.
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Oh come on, I've worked retail and I know there are plenty of old models in people's inventories. Not in high volume stores but if you're smart you will find one.

I do understand what you're saying though with the timing.
 
Of course, it would be more amusing if a pirate bought a used model so as to make sure they got old hardware...

...and ended up with an already banned console. :D
 
In addition. if you put a HDD from a non-modded console into a modded one, play and then go back to your non-modded console - all profiles get corrupted.
 
MetalX said:
Oh come on, I've worked retail and I know there are plenty of old models in people's inventories. Not in high volume stores but if you're smart you will find one.

I do understand what you're saying though with the timing.
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Not saying this is likey, but if for whatever reason the retailer was to find out you did something like this it constitutes fraud. Unlikely it will happen, but all retailers now require your proof of identification in order to do major returns.
 
Psychotext said:
So apparently rumours are putting this current banwave's number of kills at anywhere up to 500k machines.

Jesus. lol
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holy shit, thats just for this banwave!!! Im not really clued up on MS details but how many ban roll outs have they done in the past? 500k assholes, they should be named and shamed, or should be flagged on credit reference services or something to stop them doing it again, mind you they probably used cash or false name and address etc for live membership n stuff, bastards. There should be harsher punishments!!
 
I get it... if they have a vision camera it should automatically record them for a day and send their most retarded looking pictures to the web. :D
 
roaf85 said:
Not saying this is likey, but if for whatever reason the retailer was to find out you did something like this it constitutes fraud. Unlikely it will happen, but all retailers now require your proof of identification in order to do major returns.
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yeah, and then there is squat for a system to manage and tie all that data together to be useful in any way, not to mention todays mega-marts are so scared of litigation they aren't even about to call a customer and accuse them of fraud, let alone prosecute you over a $300 xbox....so no....while you are correct that they waste your time and mine giving up personal info for them to lose to hackers, they do absolutely jack shit with it after you are gone
 
Psychotext said:
So apparently rumours are putting this current banwave's number of kills at anywhere up to 500k machines.

Jesus. lol
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Definately not that many. You have to realize that they save up all these bans to do them all at once, to flood the forums with fear as a deterrent and raise a little profit. What's different is that they were falling short of having a ban wave ready for this year, so they signed and leaked dev builds of several games. Recently a bunch of idiots playing games early are caught in the crossfire boosting that number above expectations. This was a very successful ban wave none the less, but they had to pull strings to acheive the amount they had. The number of bans should be less than 150k, there would be little reason to hold more than that when they've been trying to build this list for the past 1.5 years. Some people that played early will receive temporary suspensions and added to a watch list.
 
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It's worth noting that isn't a rumour from a site like xbox scene... that number is coming from people at Microsoft.
 
Everyone I know with modded 360s got banned in this wave, ironically enough I know some of them have not played bad copies of games so I'm pretty sure MS probably has other methods of detected modded consoles(granted one was running an old 1.41 firmware, the other running 1.51 never played an unverified iso)
 
MrBojangels said:
Everyone I know with modded 360s got banned in this wave, ironically enough I know some of them have not played bad copies of games so I'm pretty sure MS probably has other methods of detected modded consoles(granted one was running an old 1.41 firmware, the other running 1.51 never played an unverified iso)
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. This ban wave came in effect due to the recent deployment of the Wave 4 security layer on some newer games. I dont want to go into explaining how this differs from Wave 3, or what the Wave security layers do. But in the end, MS found a way to detect modded consoles but had to get it out there through new games installing Wave 4.

People downloaded games like they always do, ran abgx360 and popped them in. Little did they know MS one up'd them. People assumed they were always going to be safe if they followed a few rules, but MS outsmarted them. Since Wave 4's introduction a new iXtreme 1.61 firmware has been released to allow consoles to play newer Wave 4 enabled games. However, last I checked 1.61 only works on Samsung optical drives.

Its also worth noting, of every single person I know with modded 360 (about 10 consoles in total)... NONE of them were banned recently. Know why? Because in addition to most peoples 'rules' when burning/playing games.. these friends always wait 1 month after release before downloading anything. They were favored only because they were patient, something most pirates are not.

MS knows a pirates weakness is his pride and his patience. Wave 4 games started to release in late september, however MS made damn sure to get it into games like MW2 where they knew the average pirate would be salivating to get their hands on it. Mask the ISO so it looks safe and laugh at all the bitter tears.

In order to avoid bans, you have to always be on your toes and be one step ahead of the game.
 
Well, that's everyone I know personally with a modded 360 / Live banned. Including cocky arsehole who has been saying for months that they'd never ban his "stealthed" box... only for it to get banned, and then his newly purchased (and modded) one to get banned too. :D
 
theNoid said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. This ban wave came in effect due to the recent deployment of the Wave 4 security layer on some newer games. I dont want to go into explaining how this differs from Wave 3, or what the Wave security layers do. But in the end, MS found a way to detect modded consoles but had to get it out there through new games installing Wave 4.

People downloaded games like they always do, ran abgx360 and popped them in. Little did they know MS one up'd them. People assumed they were always going to be safe if they followed a few rules, but MS outsmarted them. Since Wave 4's introduction a new iXtreme 1.61 firmware has been released to allow consoles to play newer Wave 4 enabled games. However, last I checked 1.61 only works on Samsung optical drives.

Its also worth noting, of every single person I know with modded 360 (about 10 consoles in total)... NONE of them were banned recently. Know why? Because in addition to most peoples 'rules' when burning/playing games.. these friends always wait 1 month after release before downloading anything. They were favored only because they were patient, something most pirates are not.

MS knows a pirates weakness is his pride and his patience. Wave 4 games started to release in late september, however MS made damn sure to get it into games like MW2 where they knew the average pirate would be salivating to get their hands on it. Mask the ISO so it looks safe and laugh at all the bitter tears.

In order to avoid bans, you have to always be on your toes and be one step ahead of the game.
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well said and this theory holds true based on the info i have also ;)
 
is it just the console thats banned alog with the hdd or is it also a persons gamertag banned?
 
Console, and the ability to access any DLC / XBLA games on that console, installs are also disabled on that console. Saves are also locked, but I don't believe that was done properly as it seems you can transfer them.

The idea is that a pirate can buy another console and redeem themselves. Or just mod the new console and wait to get banned again.
 
There is another problem that I am facing with all new games (Tekken 6, GTA) that it asks to me install new update to run the game and when I do, the xbox 360 reboots and still before the game it loaded, again it asks to install the update and this goes on and on only with new games.

Is there any way out of this or not?
 
Or maybe... just maybe you could think to yourself: "Hey, I notice there's a ton of development companies laying people off right now... perhaps if I want to continue playing these games that I love I should probably start supporting them by actually paying for things."

A radical concept I know. Who knows though, maybe paying for games will catch on.
 
Actually if you move your hard drive to another box and play games offline on your live profile your gamerscore will update whenever you reconnect to live. I have other boxes in vacation homes that I just bring my hard drive back and forth to game on.

The piracy scare is killing pc gaming -- I can definitely see online connectivity becoming mandatory to play future games....
 
-Sn1PeR- said:
Actually if you move your hard drive to another box and play games offline on your live profile your gamerscore will update whenever you reconnect to live. I have other boxes in vacation homes that I just bring my hard drive back and forth to game on.

The piracy scare is killing pc gaming -- I can definitely see online connectivity becoming mandatory to play future games....
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Not true anymore; as soon as you remove your drive from your now banned box - the gamerprofile will be corrupt and you need to recover it. There is no way to get achievements on a now banned 360 to a live profile.
 
GOOD! I can't count how many times people have used that lame "Just playing backups" BS excuse when 90 percent of the time it was piracy.

People like to whine and moan when a game goes steam only or when a game gets on Xbox live. My guess is that close to half of em are people VAC Banned or banned for chipping or other pirating/cheating BS.

YOU caused this banhammer to fall. Nobody likes your lame ass excuses for robbing game devs of sales. Nobody who isn't a pirate or a supporter believes the so called polls saying pirates buy more stuff (A pirate is already dishonest why would they not lie to a poll?)

That is 600k less cheating and pirate running Xboxes out there. Maybe once they have to go buy a new one they will see that modding to play pirated games isnt the answer.

Oh and no there is no XBMC type use for a modded 360. No linux has been able to use anything besides software rendered graphics on it.

BTW folks these pirates are going to try to pass off their chipped xboxes as normal ones for sale. Do yourself a favor and avoid buying used if possible and even then at the very least demand to lift the faceplace and see if the warranty sticker says VOID (Which means its been removed to get inside) If the case looks like its been tampered in anyway don't buy it. I might even see if police can be called to report someone selling fraudulent property but that is just me.
 
lol...

WHY WOULD YOU BAN A 4 YEAR OLD KIDS CONSOLE ANYWAYS? HE DID NOTHING WRONG! HIM AND I ALWAYS PLAY TOGETHER. WE WENT TO PLAY HALO 3 ON LIVE SATURDAY MORNING AND AS SOON AS WE TURNED ON THE CONSOLE IT SAID WE WERE BANNED.
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Psychotext said:
Console, and the ability to access any DLC / XBLA games on that console, installs are also disabled on that console. Saves are also locked, but I don't believe that was done properly as it seems you can transfer them.

The idea is that a pirate can buy another console and redeem themselves. Or just mod the new console and wait to get banned again.
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SO a person can just buy an arcade 360 and out their old hdd in it and away they go?
 
Psychotext said:
Or maybe... just maybe you could think to yourself: "Hey, I notice there's a ton of development companies laying people off right now... perhaps if I want to continue playing these games that I love I should probably start supporting them by actually paying for things."

A radical concept I know. Who knows though, maybe paying for games will catch on.
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if only that was the case on pc's
 
£140 is for an arcade machine and £200 is for an elite with two games. pirates would go for an elite
 
The Donut said:
Not true anymore; as soon as you remove your drive from your now banned box - the gamerprofile will be corrupt and you need to recover it. There is no way to get achievements on a now banned 360 to a live profile.
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Yes, I wasn't talking about playing offline on a banned console -- I was saying your profile will move cleanly between two legit boxes, one offline and one online, and upload your achievement progress whenever it reconnects to live.
 
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