3570 or wait for haswell?

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royce321

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I am interested in the frys combo that has the 3570 cpu and a gigabyte matx board

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my core 2 rig is always overswamped on memory for all the games and tabs i keep open...plus its an itx so its quite limited, i'm using my pcie x1 slot for a usb 3 card :(

so i would like to see others opinion on my title, should i get a 3570 or wait for the next gen coming later this year

i don't mind waiting but am eager to see any response :)
 
Well, 3 months ago I would have said pull the plug on the Ivy, but you are now in that dead zone of damned if you do, damned if you don't. Since Haswell got extended from an March-April showing to a May-June one I'd say you're not going to regret the buy now. However, there are a lot of untold things about Haswell that could surprise us come benchmark time. Unfortunately those wont start hitting until Intel has enough chips to sell on Day 1. Since the more high-end parts are expected to make showing first, I'd say you can't go wrong waiting either. I mean. Haswell can't be worse than Ivy lol so you'll be safe regardless.

However, you don't want to be one of those guys that bought into the Ivy Bridge media hype expecting to see across the board 10% boost in everything and then be disappointing. I think Haswell will be a solid general boost, but the risk is always there. At the end of the day you have to ask yourself. If Haswell was only a 5-10% boost would you be disappointed waiting an extra 4 months? If Haswell was a good 15-20% general boost would you be disappointed you couldn't wait? See what I'm saying here lol.

It sucks either way, but given the exact segment of the market your buying into, it'll be one of the first once coming out come late Spring. Question is: can you hold onto your cash when the 100Mph winds are blowing and you accidentally drank a big gulp having to pee in the middle of a thunderstorm surrounded by trees?

/me *Silently build the dream machine and wait for mobo/cpu and stay up to be the first one to order at mid-night on newegg.*
 
That listing doesn't look right and in 6 months I'd expect the fabs to sort out any problems they're having which could increase performance. I'm personally waiting for Haswell. I'm slowing gaining parts for it - 256Gb SSD, 7970, 3TB NAS - and while a good performance bump would be very nice I'm hoping the new features are better. June really isn't that far off. It sounds like you're in the same boat as me. My E6600 isn't terrible but with the 7970 in it now it's a rather epic bottleneck tho stuff still runs okay.
 
I just upgraded from my old 6 year old core 2 duo to 3770k etc less than 48 hours ago.

all i can say is, do it.

the difference from my old 7200rpm harddrive to ssd and the 3770k has been quite overwhelming.

Before, i would have to wait to do the simplest tasks. Now its, i dont care, lets throw everything i can at my computer and see if I CAN make it lag.
 
i saw a nice boost from a ssd upgrade as well :)

how is your 3770k rig running with just the 7200?
 
im not sure, since i now have the 7200 rpm drive as a storage drive, the ssd is my boot drive / os drive.

still runs perfectly fine for just storing things, considering my ssd is only 128 gb, fills up fast
 
I wouldn't get an h77 board..kinda defeats the purpose of an unlocked multi chip.
I did it backwards..went from 1155 to Core2 ..eh..They're fast..
edit:That is a locked multi chip ..buuuuuu
 
royce321 said:
yea i didn't pay much attention to the hype machine intel pr cooked up, its obviously just a updated sandy with a lid defect

as for haswell its supposed to bring new tech unless thats just a lie, plus i don't expect much after seeing this thread

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=34641132
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Lately Intel has been focusing on reducing power consumption and improving their on-die GPU.

We won't know how it performs until launch, but expect lower power consumption, double integrated GPU performance, and a small CPU performance gain from Haswell. The new chipset should be a nice improvement over SB/IB. Current boards only have 2 SATA 6GB/s ports connected to the Intel controller, Haswell should have 6. If you have to upgrade now I don't think you'll be kicking yourself in June, but you might as well wait if you can.
 
If that was a K I'd be a bit more tempted. Still I plan on riding out my C2Q until Haswell is released. All indications point to it being on average only 10% faster than Ivy Bridge, but I'd rather get in on the beginning of a socket than the end. You say you don't mind waiting so that's what I'd do (and am doing!) 3-4 months isn't that long to wait when PC tech is on a 1 year refresh and 2 year new architecture cycle. If it was 5-6 months I could go either way, but 7 months+ to new stuff I'd say go with what's out now.

Instead if you want to buy something now that you can use with your current PC, and transfer it to the new one, you may want to consider a video card upgrade or another SSD.
 
I have a 3930K so as far as I care I am set well into 2014 maybe longer.

However given that you want to upgrade I would hold off a bit more and just grind your teeth and wait on Haswell. It will be well worth the wait if the hype meets reality.

Also Haswell is not 1155 so whatever you buy now is going to be last year socket this year.
 
I'm kinda on the fence, not sure how well Haswell will overclock and perform comparatively despite the rumored low-power use and IPC improvements. Ivy is just doable at 5.0ghz on air but power consumption is no laughing matter with the voltage bumps usually needed to keep things stable. The real Haswell to get will probably be the second generation one (Broadwell) and you'd need the new socket for that one. The Phenom II is getting kinda long in the tooth now though so I'll be likely jumping on LGA 1150 in presumably June.
 
illitirit said:
I just upgraded from my old 6 year old core 2 duo to 3770k etc less than 48 hours ago.

all i can say is, do it.

the difference from my old 7200rpm harddrive to ssd and the 3770k has been quite overwhelming.

Before, i would have to wait to do the simplest tasks. Now its, i dont care, lets throw everything i can at my computer and see if I CAN make it lag.
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I am in the same boat with a C2D, 37GB Raptors in raid.
Gathering parts and doing research now.
 
I say go ahead and get Ivy. I don't think Haswell will be a huge jump in performance and if your current rig is struggling, 5 months is a LONG time to wait it out on a struggling PC especially considering Haswell probably won't be that big a jump.
 
ivys will prolly get cheaper on the market once haswell comes out....or just go for a 2011 ivy-e once that launches although that'd prolly be overkill for my needs lol
 
royce321 said:
ivys will prolly get cheaper on the market once haswell comes out....or just go for a 2011 ivy-e once that launches although that'd prolly be overkill for my needs lol
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You know, I once believed that myself, but given how far ahead Intel is right now the most clear thing showing the lack of competition is in the pricing. I remember the monthly price wars, those are all but gone (unless you count the $10 price drop every year or two from the original price). The sad reality is they don't need to drop prices because AMD's lack of market prowl has people coming in droves to pick up their parts. SB and IB have hardly budged more than a few pennies since release.
 
yea the lack of something decent from the amd side is definitely a drag outside of the 8350....although many have seen decent prices for the chips @ microcenter and other sources

if frys had a 16 or 32 kit on sale i'd go for the ivy combo...but alas its just a boring 8 gig kit boo :(
 
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DeathFromBelow said:
Lately Intel has been focusing on reducing power consumption and improving their on-die GPU.

We won't know how it performs until launch, but expect lower power consumption, double integrated GPU performance, and a small CPU performance gain from Haswell. The new chipset should be a nice improvement over SB/IB. Current boards only have 2 SATA 6GB/s ports connected to the Intel controller, Haswell should have 6. If you have to upgrade now I don't think you'll be kicking yourself in June, but you might as well wait if you can.
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A shame there isn't a way to make that useless onboard GPU be usable in common everyday productivity/business applications.

And a shame that AMD really has nothing worth even remotely considering when not looking for budget machines.
 
Regular people are buying low power devices at the expense of speed. People that want speed at the expense of power are willing to pay for Xeon. This has nothing to do with AMD.

Go boost sales of high powered desktops and Intel will happily make your chip.
 
Considering next gen console are nothing to write home about performance wise I wouldn't be too worried about system requirements for games for a while. Consoles will bring down requirements instead of making it unplayable.
 
Fort_Major said:
And a shame that AMD really has nothing worth even remotely considering when not looking for budget machines.
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I wouldn't say that. Games today are GPU limited more than anything. I've been comparing my FX-8320 rig to my brother's i7-3770k system, both with an HD7970 GPU, while debating with myself whether moving to Haswell or an Ivy-Bridge E setup later this year is worthwhile. Out of all the stuff I play Kerbal Space Program is the only game that seems to benefit in any noticeable way from the higher single threaded performance on Intel chips.

I'd love to see better single threaded performance from AMD, but unless you're pushing multiple GPU's and/or multimonitor resolutions I think the FX line is an excellent value, especially now that they're priced more reasonably than Bulldozer was at launch. You get multi-threaded performance equal to the i7's, and the single-threaded performance is 'good enough.' Power consumption is higher with the FX, but we're talking ~$30 over 3 years... You also get 42 PCI-e lanes and 6 SATA 6GB/s ports without having to pay a price premium like you do on the Intel side.
 
I went from I7 920 to 3570k and the difference was night and day. I don't think you will be disappointed.
 
i would run over to the amd side if it wasn't for the blasted pins :( lol

did so in the k6-2 days...moved to a 775 eventually and never went back
 
DeathFromBelow said:
I wouldn't say that. Games today are GPU limited more than anything. I've been comparing my FX-8320 rig to my brother's i7-3770k system, both with an HD7970 GPU, while debating with myself whether moving to Haswell or an Ivy-Bridge E setup later this year is worthwhile. Out of all the stuff I play Kerbal Space Program is the only game that seems to benefit in any noticeable way from the higher single threaded performance on Intel chips.
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I personally feel a lot of games (not talking about FPS) are still fairly CPU bottlenecked due to their lack of multi-threading.
Most games take up a max of 25% cpu or 50% CPU (and it's a very weak 50%)

DeathFromBelow said:
I'd love to see better single threaded performance from AMD, but unless you're pushing multiple GPU's and/or multimonitor resolutions I think the FX line is an excellent value, especially now that they're priced more reasonably than Bulldozer was at launch. You get multi-threaded performance equal to the i7's, and the single-threaded performance is 'good enough.' Power consumption is higher with the FX, but we're talking ~$30 over 3 years... You also get 42 PCI-e lanes and 6 SATA 6GB/s ports without having to pay a price premium like you do on the Intel side.
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I do all of the aforementioned stuff and more.
 
I would wait for Haswell..it will have some "new" features..:)
..and it's not very far away..
 
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