300gb+ Raptors?

They better start cracking on these soon.
 
Ockie said:
They better start cracking on these soon.
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I agree, 150gb is just too small to cope with for the Price they are asking. With some of the 2 Platter drives that WD and the Spinpoint F1s being so cheap and relativly fast.. We need some incentive..

Wonder why we arent seeing any 15K RPM drives with SATA either?
 
[LYL]Homer;1032377282 said:
Ooooh, 300gb 15k Raptor for less than $300 would be awesome!
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I would gladly pay $450 for one.

But I would settle for another 10K one.. Even at $300.

Storage is a real weak point for me now.. I have a 3tb Home server, But only 160gb 7200rpm in my Desktop.. Yeah.. i know.. Blah.. I need to make a meaningful Upgrade..

those 300gb 15K SAS Drives are around $450 now, and a Simple SAS Controller is around $150 now.. But im Not sure if $600 is worth it over a Raptor if they both had 300gb on disk.. But its kind of a moot point until WD gets off their rears and offers a larger Raptor..

I would much rather have 1 SAS Drive or Raptor than 2 or 3 Raptors on RAID for Performance.. Now redundancy.. the RAID 5 would be great.. and the Same cost..
 
I don't think I'd spend 300 on another raptor if it's only 300 gigs in size. The performance matching from other desktop drives reached the current raptors fast with a ton more storage.

I think unless if this new raptor is smoking hot, I wouldn't want to spend more than 200 on it.
 
Ockie said:
I don't think I'd spend 300 on another raptor if it's only 300 gigs in size. The performance matching from other desktop drives reached the current raptors fast with a ton more storage.

I think unless if this new raptor is smoking hot, I wouldn't want to spend more than 200 on it.
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Even at 15K?


What about those new 640gb Western Digitals that run $130?
 
What's the chance WD will build a 15K Raptor that will cannabalize their enterprise/server lines..
 
eX_NihiLo said:
What's the chance WD will build a 15K Raptor that will cannabalize their enterprise/server lines..
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If its SATA, it probably wouldnt canabalize their server market, it might even enchance their entry-level workstation market.
 
I would like to see WD revitalize their hard drive offerings.

If I understand correctly, the enterprise market is moving to SAS. IIRC, SAS can use SATA drives but also SAS-only drives. And 2.5" drives for power efficiency and performance.

In other words, I don't think some really cool SATA Raptors would cause much fuss in the enterprise market. But us geeks would buy some Raptors.
 
Enterprise moved to SAS year(s) ago. SATA in the Enterprise is strickly a low-cost alternative for archival purposes. I have been a Raptor fan since they came out and have always upgraded to the newest offerings. RAID0 Raptor arrays are hard to beat without going SSD - you've got killer seeks and killer throughput. Out of the 15 or so Raptors I've owned in RAID0 at various time, I've never had a failure. VERY reliable drives.
That said, I have had my 3 16mb 74GB Raptors for way too long and am dying for WD to bring out the hammer once again. One last big jump until SSD ...
 
Who wants a new Raptor when you can get this:

Hitachi Ultrastar 15K450
  • 450GB (4 platters)
  • 15,000RPM
  • 16MB Cache
  • 3.6ms seek / 2.0ms latency
  • 3GB SAS Connection

With SAS controllers becoming much cheaper these days it's not really that big of a deal to move over.
 
eX_NihiLo said:
What's the chance WD will build a 15K Raptor that will cannabalize their enterprise/server lines..
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The Raptor IS THEIR SERVER LINE. LINK!

That is the reason why all of the other manufacturers never followed in the Raptor's big fast footsteps because they didn't want to eat into their enterprise markets. WD does not make SCSI drives.

Don
 
thebeephaha said:
Who wants a new Raptor when you can get this:

Hitachi Ultrastar 15K450
  • 450GB (4 platters)
  • 15,000RPM
  • 16MB Cache
  • 3.6ms seek / 2.0ms latency
  • 3GB SAS Connection

With SAS controllers becoming much cheaper these days it's not really that big of a deal to move over.
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I just don't think I could take the heat and noise from a SAS array in my home desktop.... However, my 3 Raptors are barely audible in my P180B with the silicon mounts. Tempting for sure. Wish I had 2 or 3 to play with and see...
 
The Heat and Sound isnt such an issue for me, I do sleep with my PC about 3 feet away, but i have gotten so used to the sound over the years, an extra "jet engine" wont bother me.
 
TheBluePill said:
I would gladly pay $450 for one.

But I would settle for another 10K one.. Even at $300.

Storage is a real weak point for me now.. I have a 3tb Home server, But only 160gb 7200rpm in my Desktop.. Yeah.. i know.. Blah.. I need to make a meaningful Upgrade..

those 300gb 15K SAS Drives are around $450 now, and a Simple SAS Controller is around $150 now.. But im Not sure if $600 is worth it over a Raptor if they both had 300gb on disk.. But its kind of a moot point until WD gets off their rears and offers a larger Raptor..

I would much rather have 1 SAS Drive or Raptor than 2 or 3 Raptors on RAID for Performance.. Now redundancy.. the RAID 5 would be great.. and the Same cost..
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And im going to put my Money where my mouth is..

WD Delivered a 300gb, 10Krpm Performance Beast for $300. Im happy as can be.
 
TheBluePill said:
And im going to put my Money where my mouth is..

WD Delivered a 300gb, 10Krpm Performance Beast for $300. Im happy as can be.
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You and me both !! Cant wait to see it with the newer firmware working,as I hear it'll be a good chunk faster then what we are seeing now ! :cool:

I am SOOoooo in for two of these babies ! My wife just had me install four 750Gb Spinpoint F1's into her new comp,and that has me chomping at the bit in jealousy. :eek:
 
enginurd said:
Its so hot it needs a heatsink. Is that hot enough for you? :p
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I really don't think the heatsink is for the heat... but to make it conform to 3.5'' standards.

I wonder if you could take off the Icepak heatsink and make it fit into my drive bays. I know there would be an inch of space, but would the SATA and power hookups match?
 
I've put standard laptop drives in my case before, so I am rather confident this will work fine in removable bays. I've never seen SATA drives where the power and data connectors didn't match up with each other. I don't worry about screwing them down though, as it is only temporary.

The bigger issue is that you'd be voiding the warranty by removing that big, ugly, pointless heatsink. 5 degrees cooler than lukewarm is what, ambient? That may sound cool, but does it matter? The big Google study a while back suggested that a warm drive was better than a cool one anyway.
 
verteron said:
I've put standard laptop drives in my case before, so I am rather confident this will work fine in removable bays. I've never seen SATA drives where the power and data connectors didn't match up with each other. I don't worry about screwing them down though, as it is only temporary.

The bigger issue is that you'd be voiding the warranty by removing that big, ugly, pointless heatsink. 5 degrees cooler than lukewarm is what, ambient? That may sound cool, but does it matter? The big Google study a while back suggested that a warm drive was better than a cool one anyway.
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Pointless? The vast majority of users don't have mounting brackets for a 2.5" drive in their cases. This "pointless" heatsink allows you to easily install them in standard 3.5" bays and is a great solution.
 
thebeephaha said:
Who wants a new Raptor when you can get this:

Hitachi Ultrastar 15K450
  • 450GB (4 platters)
  • 15,000RPM
  • 16MB Cache
  • 3.6ms seek / 2.0ms latency
  • 3GB SAS Connection

With SAS controllers becoming much cheaper these days it's not really that big of a deal to move over.
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Too bad those 15k SCSI and SAS drives everyone likes to mention get smoked in single user benchmarks. Get it through your head, they are server drives, for server workloads. And server workloads are not the same thing as you running a half dozen apps and calling it "heavy mutlitasking".
Eugene at SR put it best, comparing 15k server drives to high performance desktop drives is like comparing a semi truck to a sports car.
http://forums.storagereview.net/index.php?s=&showtopic=21621&view=findpost&p=221874

Not to mention, I've never seen a single "real world" application loading test on them.
 
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