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I cannot afford to do a full blown rebuild at this time. I have this GA-MA790GP-UD4H Gigabyte motherboard
with a Pheno II X4 940. 8 gigs ram. For the games I been playing the onboard video has become almost unbearable to play. Have to turn everything all the way down.

I have been looking to upgrade the GPU. I cannot afford more than maybe 120.00.

I have been considering this card it is still 50.00 tell eod.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202237

or would I be better off getting an RX 460 like one of these.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125898

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137028

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131695

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go 460 or save/wait a little longer(maybe black Friday/cyber Monday) and see what you can get, maybe a 470 for $150ish...
 

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The performance of the RX 460 is equivalent to 2 R7 350's. If you must buy new, an RX 460 is the lowest you should go. Around here you can get a HD 7870/R9 270//GTX 570 used for $20-45 though, and those would be equivalent to the RX 460.
 

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I just have one question. will the Rx 460 or 470 work in my motherboard which has a pci e 2.0 x16 slot.
 

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the 460 is a HUGE upgrade from what you have currently....but just keep in mind the 470s are almost double the performance and in some case just a bit higher priced. At your budget the nvidia 1050 might be the best fit.
 

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Thanks for the info. hopefully I can get a good price on a rx 470.
That's a good idea. The RX 470 provides the best value from AMD at the moment, you can easily overclock them to match an RX 480 and even beat the stock version.
 

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That's a good idea. The RX 470 provides the best value from AMD at the moment, you can easily overclock them to match an RX 480 and even beat the stock version.

At the end of the day you'll still have an AMD GPU, which means it'll be weaker than Nvidia's last generation higher end parts, but at least the value for money can't be denied. (Sorry, couldn't help myself -- and for the record, I ran ATI/AMD GPUs for years before my current setup, it's just flat out sad they can't seem to get anything out to compete with Nvidia for what.... 3, 4 years now?)
 

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At the end of the day you'll still have an AMD GPU, which means it'll be weaker than Nvidia's last generation higher end parts, but at least the value for money can't be denied. (Sorry, couldn't help myself -- and for the record, I ran ATI/AMD GPUs for years before my current setup, it's just flat out sad they can't seem to get anything out to compete with Nvidia for what.... 3, 4 years now?)

Well I've used S3 Graphics, Nvidia, Ati, Amd - the lot over the years, so I'm far from being an AMD fanboy if that's what you're suggesting here :p But I do remember the days of the Radeon 9000 when they were really kicking Nvidia's ass. (Nvidia returned fire though, my next card was a Geforce 6 series)

At $159 the RX 470 is good value, wasn't the same at $180 where you could get the GTX 1060 for $20 more. But in recent years I've personally bought AMD GPU's exclusively until the R9 2xx generation due to their better GPGPU performance (number crunching). It seems like RX 480 still fairs pretty well at least in the few benchmarks that I've found:

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These kinds of graphs always amuse me; OC that 980Ti and it's right up there with the big boys. (Yes, I am probably a bit biased.)
 

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These kinds of graphs always amuse me; OC that 980Ti and it's right up there with the big boys. (Yes, I am probably a bit biased.)

Well the 980 Ti fares better at single precision arithmetic. Here's a chart that will warm your heart:
graph20.png


Considering the price delta's between these cards, AMD is still a clear winner here. Power consumption is a hit and miss though, depends on which type of arithmetic (number crunching) benchmark you look at.

None of this matters to the average gamer, I just posted that picture so you can now go to sleep happy :p
 

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At the end of the day you'll still have an AMD GPU, which means it'll be weaker than Nvidia's last generation higher end parts, but at least the value for money can't be denied. (Sorry, couldn't help myself -- and for the record, I ran ATI/AMD GPUs for years before my current setup, it's just flat out sad they can't seem to get anything out to compete with Nvidia for what.... 3, 4 years now?)
Yes as you said in a later post you ARE biased. The 7970 was KING till the Titan then the 290X and 780Ti were nearly tied till the 980Ti which was the clear winner. So at best 2years. And it isn't always about the top card. Last gen AMD mopped the floor in all tiers below the 980Ti when considering price. Even now the only card to have no competition is the 1080 (and TitanXp which because of price I never really consider it) as the 1070 has competition from the FuryX and the 1060 and under are bested by the 4XX counter parts.
 

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The 7970 was KING till the Titan then the 290X and 780Ti were nearly tied till the 980Ti which was the clear winner. So at best 2years. And it isn't always about the top card. Last gen AMD mopped the floor in all tiers below the 980Ti when considering price. Even now the only card to have no competition is the 1080 (and TitanXp which because of price I never really consider it) as the 1070 has competition from the FuryX and the 1060 and under are bested by the 4XX counter parts.

And this is why price doesn't dictate market share nor does it change demand when there are other products that are competitive. If products are perceived better, they will sell at a higher price. AMD products with their power consumption are seen not as good of products in consumers eyes, and in OEM/system builders eyes they know they need to spend more on cooling and power, a problem they need to fix well needed to fix since the 290x.

And no the 1060 and 480 are pretty much equal in DX12 possibly a slight edge to the 480 but that's depending on what LLAPI games you are looking at and the 480 is definitely behind in almost all Dx11 games by a large margin.

Lets not even talk about the 460 they get demolished by the 1050 series. So AMD really only has one card that has no competition that is the 470 which is in the middle of the bunch. So really outside of that has nothing really that is competitive on a pure performance level in this gen, then add in power consumption and what not well there ya have it.

How many times have we seen AMD drop prices and it has never helped them? Why is that, if you look at other markets, the same things happen when a product is looked at as less its can't demand increased price, and counter to that if a product is looked at as better, it will demand higher prices.

Designer Jeans, why do people spend 300 bucks on Diesel vs an orange tag Levi's that are 60 bucks? Same damn material and you can also get Levi's with the same cut same hand stone washed bleaching. Is there any reason for someone to buy Diesel over Levi's when the cost of one is 5 times more? Not really but Diesel can demand that price because people want it because they think Diesel is special for what ever reasons.

In nV's and AMD's case, Pascal is perceived to be better and know to OEM's/system builders to cut down price on other components. So there are factors that are important to why Pascal is better, its not all about performance. And the top cards also give this perception. That is the reason why Halo products are so important.

So trying to put Fiji up against a 1070 that just doesn't work, that isn't competition that is just murder that is like Bulldozer vs Ivy Bridge.
 
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And this is why price doesn't dictate market share nor does it change demand when there are other products that are competitive. If products are perceived better, they will sell at a higher price. AMD products with their power consumption are seen not as good of products in consumers eyes, and in OEM/system builders eyes they know they need to spend more on cooling and power, a problem they need to fix well needed to fix since the 290x.

And no the 1060 and 480 are pretty much equal in DX12 possibly a slight edge to the 480 but that's depending on what LLAPI games you are looking at and the 480 is definitely behind in almost all Dx11 games by a large margin.

Lets not even talk about the 460 they get demolished by the 1050 series. So AMD really only has one card that has no competition that is the 470 which is in the middle of the bunch. So really outside of that has nothing really that is competitive on a pure performance level in this gen, then add in power consumption and what not well there ya have it.

How many times have we seen AMD drop prices and it has never helped them? Why is that, if you look at other markets, the same things happen when a product is looked at as less its can't demand increased price, and counter to that if a product is looked at as better, it will demand higher prices.

Designer Jeans, why do people spend 300 bucks on Diesel vs an orange tag Levi's that are 60 bucks? Same damn material and you can also get Levi's with the same cut same hand stone washed bleaching. Is there any reason for someone to buy Diesel over Levi's when the cost of one is 5 times more? Not really but Diesel can demand that price because people want it because they think Diesel is special for what ever reasons.

In nV's and AMD's case, Pascal is perceived to be better and know to OEM's/system builders to cut down price on other components. So there are factors that are important to why Pascal is better, its not all about performance. And the top cards also give this perception. That is the reason why Halo products are so important.

So trying to put Fiji up against a 1070 that just doesn't work, that isn't competition that is just murder that is like Bulldozer vs Ivy Bridge.
I am gonna sum this up as BLAH BLAH BLAH. Not even close to the point I made. I wasn't mentioning sales only performance in contradiction to one the made a purely false blanket statement.

and what is the deal with all your posts lately being long drawn out rants?
 

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I am gonna sum this up as BLAH BLAH BLAH. Not even close to the point I made. I wasn't mentioning sales only performance in contradiction to one the made a purely false blanket statement.

and what is the deal with all your posts lately being long drawn out rants?


Then what was the point of you writing up this

Yes as you said in a later post you ARE biased. The 7970 was KING till the Titan then the 290X and 780Ti were nearly tied till the 980Ti which was the clear winner. So at best 2years. And it isn't always about the top card. Last gen AMD mopped the floor in all tiers below the 980Ti when considering price. Even now the only card to have no competition is the 1080 (and TitanXp which because of price I never really consider it) as the 1070 has competition from the FuryX and the 1060 and under are bested by the 4XX counter parts.


So you just make up shit to fit what you post, you were talking about price there, so I guess when you want to talk about price, you don't want to talk about performance, but when you talk about performance, you don't want to talk about price, you are contradicting yourself in the very same post! The entire line up of Pascal can't be touched by AMD period, there is no if and buts about it.

And I'm not ranting I'm correcting you ideological posts with correct information! You want to talk about programming, better know your shit before ya make shit up. if you want to talk about hardware, better know your shit before you make shit up, if you want talk about economics better know your shit before you make shit up. Easy enough for you to understand, till then I will have to spell everything out for you and others because that is the only way to show the deficient of knowledge yours and others posts.

How the hell do you post about low level programming when you don't even know what it is? Then you put LL programming is similar to LL API? WOW!

Lets get back to this post, look how you made things up about the maxwell 2 line up, its ok to talk about AMD price back then but today with pascal, you say 480 bests the 1060 and there are no nV cards that beat the rx460? WTF is that? Does that even make sense? We just saw the 1050 launch it destroys the rx460 (the none TI version), in every metric possible.

Everything you wrote in our post that I just put colors too is just garbage and false.
 
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Then what was the point of you writing up this




So you just make up shit to fit what you post, you were talking about price there, so I guess when you want to talk about price, you don't want to talk about performance, but when you talk about performance, you don't want to talk about price, you are contradicting yourself in the very same post! The entire line up of Pascal can't be touched by AMD period, there is no if and buts about it.

And I'm not ranting I'm correcting you ideological posts with correct information! You want to talk about programming, better know your shit before ya make shit up. if you want to talk about hardware, better know your shit before you make shit up, if you want talk about economics better know your shit before you make shit up. Easy enough for you to understand, till then I will have to spell everything out for you and others because that is the only way to show the deficient of knowledge yours and others posts.

How the hell do you post about low level programming when you don't even know what it is? Then you put LL programming is similar to LL API? WOW!

Lets get back to this post, look how you made things up about the maxwell 2 line up, its ok to talk about AMD price back then but today with pascal, you say 480 bests the 1060 and there are no nV cards that beat the rx460? WTF is that? Does that even make sense? We just saw the 1050 launch it destroys the rx460 (the none TI version), in every metric possible.

Everything you wrote in our post that I just put colors too is just garbage and false.
look this is threading close to ignore mode.....i like you razor so dont join the ignore club....course at least the one ignore guy wont be alone then. Why do i say this? Cause the the 470/480 arent as mismatched as you claim.
 

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470 is the best priced card in AMD's line up right now, which I stated in the post prior to that

... So AMD really only has one card that has no competition that is the 470 which is in the middle of the bunch. So really outside of that has nothing really that is competitive on a pure performance level in this gen, then add in power consumption and what not well there ya have it.
.....

The 480 I can't agree with your statement, it just needs to be priced less then the 1060 because of its power usage and it should be priced less about the cost differential of 300 watt to a 500 watt power supply to be viable against the 1060.

Oh yes Dell just dropped the rx480 from their Alienware Aurora line up too. The only place you get that card is their top end Area - 51 which start at 1700 bucks, is that card enough worth to put into a system like that? And they are still selling Fiji above a gtx 1080 upgrade price.....
 
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470 is the best priced card in AMD's line up right now, which I stated in the post prior to that



The 480 I can't agree with your statement, it just needs to be priced less then the 1060 because of its power usage and it should be priced less about the cost differential of 300 watt to a 500 watt power supply to be viable against the 1060.
Well show me a reasonable example where users like us would have to spend so much more on power supply's. (and dont be retarded) For sucks sake 500 watt premium supply's are on sale for what 70 bucks? The hole 400-600 cost difference deal is a wash these days right? For nickel and dime OEM's that use shit supplies it might be different
 

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470 is the best priced card in AMD's line up right now, which I stated in the post prior to that



The 480 I can't agree with your statement, it just needs to be priced less then the 1060 because of its power usage and it should be priced less about the cost differential of 300 watt to a 500 watt power supply to be viable against the 1060.

now you toss psu cost into the argument as to why your choice is better? grabbing at anything your can...
if you really hate amd as much as you seem too, why do you spend soooo much time in amd themed forums?
 

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Well show me a reasonable example where users like us would have to spend so much more on power supply's. (and dont be retarded) For sucks sake 500 watt premium supply's are on sale for what 70 bucks? The hole 400-600 cost difference deal is a wash these days right? For nickel and dime OEM's that use shit supplies it might be different

And a 300 watt Premium power supply are on sale for 40 bucks, that is still a $30 difference, if you were to spec out a system that needs a 500 watt system there is a 7% difference in over all price just because of the power supply.

This is the cost of of ownership of the rx 480 vs a gtx 1060, you need more, what was the target of the rx480 system, sub $500 machines, EVEN Kudori stated this....

And that, Koduri gladly noted, was achieved for less than $500.


http://www.roadtovr.com/amd-rx-480-gpu-price-specs-release-date-virtual-reality/

This was what the rx480 was geared towards, and the 1060 beats it because even with a brand new build you can get a system that costs 7% less just because you don't need a more powerful power supply (sale prices withstanding). Yeah at the cost of such a gaming system those people will be penny pinching.

Sorry wrong link, that wasn't the one

It was the link with the Virtual building of a VR system that AMD did have to find it. It was for 650 not 500 sorry, so 5% difference in over all price just from changing the power supply.....

 
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now you toss psu cost into the argument as to why your choice is better? grabbing at anything your can...
if you really hate amd as much as you seem too, why do you spend soooo much time in amd themed forums?


Look at the post above. This wasn't me stating this at first, it was AMD.
 

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Look at the post above. This wasn't me stating this at first, it was AMD.
Fuck i hate to do it........Buy Razor1!!!!......Ill miss you but your info isn't any ware even remotely close to what [H] reviews make a major point of!
 

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Fuck i hate to do it........Buy Razor1!!!!......Ill miss you but your info isn't any ware even remotely close to what [H] reviews make a major point of!


What you can't respond to that so you go, ok fine I don't care lol.....

By the way its BY not BUY..... if you want to BUY me, that would be interesting......

Shit did anyone of you guys ask the guy if he was only intersting in AMD products for his graphics card purchase?

You can get a gtx 1050 for 99 bucks right now at Newegg, which is a hell of a better buy then what you guys are saying the rx460 is........ but again that is up to the guy purchasing it if he only wants AMD, then I would get the cheapest AMD card and wait for the entire line refresh of Vega, cause it surely can't be worse then the Polaris line up.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...4500412&cm_re=gtx_1050-_-14-500-412-_-Product
 

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I do prefer AMD. I will most likely be getting the RX460 although I am considering the RX470 if one comes down to a price point that I cannot pass up/
 

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I wouldn't touch the rx460, that card is not worth the money (its the same performance and wattage as a gtx 950 (maybe a bit better in both categories, but not by much).

I would get the cheapest card AMD card possible and wait for Vega and its entire line up to come out or wait to see black Friday sales on the rx470 and that doesn't work and ya need a better card before next year wait to get enough money to get the rx470.
 

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By the way its BY not BUY..... if you want to BUY me, that would be interesting......
it's actually bye...

You can get a gtx 1050 for 99 bucks right now at Newegg, which is a hell of a better buy then what you guys are saying the rx460 is........

I would get the cheapest card AMD card possible and wait for Vega and its entire line up to come out or wait to see black Friday sales on the rx470 and that doesn't work and ya need a better card before next year wait to get enough money to get the rx470.
see post #2
go 460 or save/wait a little longer(maybe black Friday/cyber Monday) and see what you can get, maybe a 470 for $150ish...
 

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heres some deals at newegg if you don't mind MIRs or black Friday is a bust:

$85 rx460:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131695
$155 rx470's: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150776
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131696
$100 gtx 1050: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500412

if you can find and combine a coupon code the 470 is getting pretty cheap!
does this kinda toss the 1050 vs 460 price difference argument is out the window...

edit: corrected price of 460...
 

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I like the price on this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131706 I am not sure about the single fan and the power color brand.
Is power color a good name in the gpu arena. 169.99

No. If it were any other brand, literally any other I would say go for the cheapest card. But PowerColor is especially questionable and I've always avoided them, even before the news about them cheaping out on PCB components came out. Single vs. multi-fan, if it were using the reference blower design that would be fine, but in this case it's an open air design with PowerColor having cheaped out on 1 silly fan. It costs them at most $0.20 for that fan, I don't understand why they bother to release a product like that.

If you're shopping for the RX 480 on Newegg, get this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202225
With MIR's it's only $5 more than the 2nd card you posted ($184.99) and it's from Sapphire, which (for better or worse) is the EVGA of ATi/AMD cards. In recent years I've always opted for Sapphire cards, while they all use the same chips of course, at least I haven't heard any horror stories as with PowerColor and they usually have decent overclocks (they got power delivery right at least).
 

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I like the price on this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131706 I am not sure about the single fan and the power color brand.
Is power color a good name in the gpu arena. 169.99

This one is just 10 dollars more http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131708

oh you can't get any of the new cards, your motherboard doesn't support uefi bios which all new cards from last gen onward have. Even 2 gens ago it was hard to find cards with regular bios and even if they had dual bios (uefi and legacy) Legacy only worked with motherboards with updated bios versions. Best bet is to get a used card from Ebay HD7xxx line or nV 6xx line. Or do a full system build. You are kinda stuck in a rock and a hard place, no way around it because of the bios change.
 

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Thanks for the info about the power color. I took a look at the Sapphire card I like what I see looks like a great card.
 

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Then what was the point of you writing up this




So you just make up shit to fit what you post, you were talking about price there, so I guess when you want to talk about price, you don't want to talk about performance, but when you talk about performance, you don't want to talk about price, you are contradicting yourself in the very same post! The entire line up of Pascal can't be touched by AMD period, there is no if and buts about it.

And I'm not ranting I'm correcting you ideological posts with correct information! You want to talk about programming, better know your shit before ya make shit up. if you want to talk about hardware, better know your shit before you make shit up, if you want talk about economics better know your shit before you make shit up. Easy enough for you to understand, till then I will have to spell everything out for you and others because that is the only way to show the deficient of knowledge yours and others posts.

How the hell do you post about low level programming when you don't even know what it is? Then you put LL programming is similar to LL API? WOW!

Lets get back to this post, look how you made things up about the maxwell 2 line up, its ok to talk about AMD price back then but today with pascal, you say 480 bests the 1060 and there are no nV cards that beat the rx460? WTF is that? Does that even make sense? We just saw the 1050 launch it destroys the rx460 (the none TI version), in every metric possible.

Everything you wrote in our post that I just put colors too is just garbage and false.
If you weren't so quick to jump to conclusions and then write out the next War and Peace... I was referring to tiers according to price not how they were priced. And what the hell are you talking about programming? I didn't even mention it.
 

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If you weren't so quick to jump to conclusions and then write out the next War and Peace... I was referring to tiers according to price not how they were priced. And what the hell are you talking about programming? I didn't even mention it.

another thread man, don't need to link it here but you should be well aware of where you posted about that.

Any case, the guy can't get any new cards in the last 2 gens with the current motherboard he has, his motherboard was made in ~2009 and doesn't have the right type of bios for the last 2 generations of cards, so what ever we have been talking about doesn't even matter.
 

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Any case, the guy can't get any new cards in the last 2 gens with the current motherboard he has, his motherboard was made in ~2009 and doesn't have the right type of bios for the last 2 generations of cards, so what ever we have been talking about doesn't even matter.


....what the hell are you talking about.

Any PCIe based graphics card will work in any motherboard with a PCIe slot, no matter if it's 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, has a traditional BIOS or UEFI, etc etc etc. PCIe is backwards and forwards compatible through the current 3 major generations. Some boards may have specific, odd, and rare compatibility issues with specific cards, but I don't know of a single example off the top of my head. Yes, performance may be somewhat degraded, but if it's a full 16x slot with all lanes available even PCIe 1.0 is enough for all but the fastest cards, and if it's in a board that old you're probably CPU limited anyway.

Either I misunderstood your claim, or you're flat out making shit up.
 

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....what the hell are you talking about.

Any PCIe based graphics card will work in any motherboard with a PCIe slot, no matter if it's 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, has a traditional BIOS or UEFI, etc etc etc. Some boards may have specific, odd, and rare compatibility issues with specific cards, but I don't know of a single example off the top of my head. Yes, performance may be somewhat degraded, but if it's a full 16x slot with all lanes available even PCIe 1.0 is enough for all but the fastest cards, and if it's in a board that old you're probably CPU limited anyway.

Either I misunderstood your claim, or you're flat out making shit up.

Newer graphics cards are incompatible with boards that don't have UEFI. That is actually a thing, unfortunately: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=211597311

Thanks for the info about the power color. I took a look at the Sapphire card I like what I see looks like a great card.

Yes, but razor1 is right, chances are it won't work with your old AM2+ motherboard. You have a few options:

1) Buy a new UEFI AM3+ motherboard and DDR3 RAM, this will set you off about $90 (mATX AM3+ and 8GB DDR3)
2) Buy a used or refurbished GPU
3) Get a low-end GPU new
4) Stick with your integrated HD 3300 for now, and save up for a new build

I'd say go for option 2 or 4. If you want a new GPU now, then best performance per dollar would come from buying a used or refurbished GPU. So if you wanna stick to Newegg, they have a few interesting listings:

You can go with this monstrosity: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121698
or this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125723

The 7950 will be about 20% faster than an RX 460, and the R9 270 a little bit slower. The 7950 is the way to go between these, but it does require 3 slots so bear that in mind.

You can get better prices for these cards on the used market, local auction sites are probably your best bet.

And if you can save up money on a new build, that's probably the best thing to do long term wise
 
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