270/280X to be slower than 7950/7970GHz

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R270X is a cripped HD 7950, 2GB and 256-bit reduced from 3GB and 384-Bit. R270X will be £155-£175, whereas were selling the faster HD 7950 for £170ish, they should be £200+ and are now EOL, so a deal whilst they last. When they are gone, that is it just like the 670 deals. Don't miss out. Think HD 7950 GPU on a 7870 PCB/RAM config.

R280X is a HD 7970 equivalent, a little slower than a GHz model, pricing around £229-£249, so again our HD 7970 deals are excellent as they are super overclock uprated models for a similar price, again these should be £300+ and are also EOL, once gone that is it. This is a HD 7970 re-boxed/re-branded.

R290 and R290X are the only cards faster than a HD 7970GHz by quite a bit. But HD 7990 is still performance King and at our current prices is also cheaper than an R290 X.
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So if anyone wants them buy them fast before prices rise.

edit small mistake in title should be 270X/280X
 
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He is retarded... 270/x is Curacao which is replacing Pitcairn.
270 should be ~7870 performance and 270x ~7950 performance.
 
128/256bit memory buses can kiss it.

384/512bit or bust!
 
LordEC911 said:
He is retarded... 270/x is Curacao which is replacing Pitcairn.
270 should be ~7870 performance and 270x ~7950 performance.
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is it a new part tho?

i ask because i don't believe the 270 part is listed on anand as supporting the new audio DSP tech...

only the top and the 260 have that.
 
Gibbo @ oc.uk said:
R290 X unfortunately I cannot release pricing or specification info yet, but price wise its similar to GTX 780 but slightly faster, right now, of course AMD could change the launch price at any time.
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Gibbo @ oc.uk said:
R290 and R290X are the only cards faster than a HD 7970GHz by quite a bit. But HD 7990 is still performance King and at our current prices is also cheaper than an R290 X.
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so it looks like the R9-290X will indeed be around $600
 
With the information available it seems like the 7950-> 270x transition is a worse deal then the 4870->5770 transition.

I wouldn't be surprised if the 270x is using the current Tahiti LE configuration available on cards such as the Powercolor Myst 7870.
 
Welp, at least all these 79xx cards will be able to hold their own for Scrypt mining.
 
yeah could be. they'd be smart to undercut Nvidia by $50 and have equivalent or slightly better performance. i'm still waffling back and forth between a used 780 or a 290X, excited for benchmarks and confirmed pricing.
 
yeah i'd be interested in a link too. did he say more or less? or just that it's not $600?
 
Question. I just returned my 7950 to wait for the R9 series. Should I wait for a 280X or just go get a 7950 now?
 
My pleasure all.

I personally think $500-550 but since no official numbers are out this just a guess based on the 280X price and Raja's other statements on not wanting to sell $1000 GPU's.

AMD not listing the price for the 290X might go either way. It could be cheaper then everyone thinks to get a bunch of launch day sales/shock value or it will be priced closer to the comparable NV product.

Guess we will know in a few weeks.
 
So the 270x is going to be a 7870XT with different clocks (hopefully higher) and 280 will probably be 7950 (hopefully at 1ghz) and 280x will be 7970 (hopefully at 1.1ghz). So all this hype for 2 new cards ? 290 and 290x. So stupid.
 
Definitely looking at a 290, maybe I can overclock/flash it to a 290x. /wishful thinking
 
HOODedDutchman said:
So the 270x is going to be a 7870XT with different clocks (hopefully higher) and 280 will probably be 7950 (hopefully at 1ghz) and 280x will be 7970 (hopefully at 1.1ghz). So all this hype for 2 new cards ? 290 and 290x. So stupid.
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All what hype? Damn, give the company a break. Nvidia did the same thing with the 770 and 760.
 
deasnutz said:
All what hype? Damn, give the company a break. Nvidia did the same thing with the 770 and 760.
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Ya I know its all BS. At least with nvidia the prices were decent. A 770 with slightly better vram setup (same but faster) than 680 and priced a good chunk cheaper. 7970s can already be had for $300 and 7950s for $200. So what is the point. Might as well just release the 290 and 290x. Like nvidia initially did with titan/780. The 760 is a totally pointless GPU imo. 670 is around same and faster. Both have same shit reference cooler and are only good with aftermarket. My small rant for the day.
 
theNoid said:
Question. I just returned my 7950 to wait for the R9 series. Should I wait for a 280X or just go get a 7950 now?
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Wait for the review. You could sell now and have cash ton rebuy at a lower price. Maybe.
 
deasnutz said:
Nvidia did the same thing with the 770 and 760.
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Sure, though the 770 did have legitimate improvements over the GTX 680 it's based on.

- Boost 2.0 means better boost clocks and quieter operation (keeps fan speed more consistent, as well).
- New quieter blower cooler (same one found on the 780 and Titan).
- Core got a clockspeed boost.
- RAM upgraded to 7 GHz modules.

Hopefully the 280x sees a similar spec bump, rather than just being a total re-badge.
 
once the new amd flagship comes out what can i expect to sell a reference sapphire 7970 that does 1125/1575 clocks?
 
Unknown-One said:
Hopefully the 280x sees a similar spec bump, rather than just being a total re-badge.
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This is what I'm expecting. I don't see why it would perform worse than a 7970 ghz as suggested in the link.

Like I said though, I'm not spending anything until benches. Not making that mistake a third time.
 
heflys20 said:
This is what I'm expecting. I don't see why it would perform worse than a 7970 ghz as suggested in the link.

Like I said though, I'm not spending anything until benches. Not making that mistake a third time.
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Mhm. AMD claims the 280X is for 1440p gaming. If this is true then I highly doubt it.
 
Derangel said:
Mhm. AMD claims the 280X is for 1440p gaming. If this is true then I highly doubt it.
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They probably say this because of vram. Not GPU speed. 3gb of vram should be plenty for 1440p, but eyefinity will push past 3gb pretty easily. Or be right on the edge depending on the game.
 
If true, good thing I picked up an Asus 7970 DirectCU II for $270 AR. Going to OC to DC II TOP/GHz Ed. speeds. Should be a pretty good performer for awhile at 1200p.
 
HOODedDutchman said:
So the 270x is going to be a 7870XT with different clocks (hopefully higher) and 280 will probably be 7950 (hopefully at 1ghz) and 280x will be 7970 (hopefully at 1.1ghz). So all this hype for 2 new cards ? 290 and 290x. So stupid.
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Pretty much...but consider possibilities. For instance:

The reality is 760 was purposely clocked to compete with a 1536sp part at 1ghz*. You can expect at least 1ghz/5400...likely slightly higher in one regard or another to match/slightly beat where most 760 cards perform...up to ~1100-1125/6000 (but likely less in one regard or another).

*(Deferred from 760 has min/avg clockspeeds listed as 980/1033...which in reality means ~1086 [at least one step higher, some are up to 2..ie 1140mhz], aka the speed most 680 cards ran at in reality. At 1086 it has 1/3 more bw than it needs. Doubling bandwidth over what is required improves performance on average 16%. 1086*1.053_*1344/1536sp = 1ghz.)

Another way to look at it is that a 760 at 1300/7000 will likely perform almost exactly the same as a 1536sp part at ~1200/6480.

Now while that may or may not be asking a lot of a salvage part, what if they used newer 6ghz memory (1.5v as opposed to 1.6v) that should be able to hit such clocks, perhaps with less power, as well as binned them to hit 1200mhz at a certain voltage (much like 7870 was)? That wouldn't be a bad deal for $200 considering the form-factor of 256-bit cards and <225w is more small-case compliant.

While we may not see that exact tweak, it's likely the 'rebrands' will be engineered in such a fashion they make competitive sense in the landscape post 700 series.
 
HOODedDutchman said:
Ya I know its all BS. At least with nvidia the prices were decent. A 770 with slightly better vram setup (same but faster) than 680 and priced a good chunk cheaper. 7970s can already be had for $300 and 7950s for $200. So what is the point. Might as well just release the 290 and 290x. Like nvidia initially did with titan/780. The 760 is a totally pointless GPU imo. 670 is around same and faster. Both have same shit reference cooler and are only good with aftermarket. My small rant for the day.
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msi reference 7970s on eBay for $250, warranty is serial based

this is the time to snatch up 7970s
 
Reality said:
msi reference 7970s on eBay for $250, warranty is serial based

this is the time to snatch up 7970s
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235 pound (300 plus dollars but prices are more expensive here in EU, 20 plus % taxes etc are applied at sale price) for TOP V2 Asus 7970s. Insane value (New). Slightly superior to 770s overclock vs overclock.
 
Reality said:
msi reference 7970s on eBay for $250, warranty is serial based

this is the time to snatch up 7970s
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I disagree a bit.

We already know that 280x (aka rebrand 7970 ghz) has a $299 price tag... so that's only a $49 difference (sans sales) for an improved version of the card with free games (not sure if that's going to be silver or gold).
 
Here you can get a Powercolor 7970 for $260 new. Powercolor 7950 is also available for $210 new.

Just looking at Newegg in the US (applicable to more people) 7950s currently have 6 models in the $205-$225 range. At the moment the 270x looks to be slower with less VRAM and no additional features. Since it is MSRPing at a lower price tier currently occupied by the 7870 I wonder if it will be a lower bundle tier as well which would arguably in effect make it more expensive as well. If it is based upon the Tahiti LE configuration instead of Pitcarin then you would be looking at less power efficiency as well.
 
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