24" S-IPS LCDs?

lightscreen said:
I have been considering this monitor.
Since it doesn't have HDMI but DVI:
1) Can you hook a HD source to it?
2) WIll it properly scale the HD source?
3) If you have HD/Blu( LG) DVD in a PC will it properly display HD/Blu movies at 1080P?
Thanks
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You can use an HDMI-DVI cable. It can do 1080p and 720p with proper scaling, but 1080i is not supported. If you're going to use it with a PC HD DVD/Blu-ray drive, then it's up to the software to do the scaling.
 
ToastyX said:
You can use an HDMI-DVI cable. It can do 1080p and 720p with proper scaling, but 1080i is not supported. If you're going to use it with a PC HD DVD/Blu-ray drive, then it's up to the software to do the scaling.
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THANKS!

I am currently debating the 2490 or the 2470. Sounds like the 2490 is what I REALLY want but may have to back off to 2470. It looks like everything else out there just doesn't cut it.
 
czajunia said:
Any ideas about an estimated RRP for new Apple 24'' displays?
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there are conflicting reports as to whether Apple will update the displays, the 24" will be similar price to the NEC. All I know as of this moment is the the 23" panels they are using are end of life and LG philips arent manufacturing them anymore. So Im assuming Apple has a huge stock pile or they plan to replace it with an equivalent 24", so the 20" and 30" remain untouched. There is also another complication on whether they go wide-gamut, they have to update the whole range in this case.
 
kleox64 said:
there are conflicting reports as to whether Apple will update the displays, the 24" will be similar price to the NEC.
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It wouldn't be that bad providing that you can't get 24'' NEC in UK. It's only the shame that Apple monitors are a notch behind NECs overall.

Looking at all this I am starting considering NEC 2690WUXi which is stupid really for I don't need such a top-class monitor and NEC 2490 would do just fine. The problem is that I am almost like doing "screw it - it's my birthday" thing even though it's almost half a year to early.. :) Anyone knows where I could find 2690 in UK under £700? :) That would probably make my decision a bit easier.
 
ToastyX said:
Since you're in the UK, get the Hazro HZ24W. It has the same panel and A-TW polarizer as the NEC LCD2490WUXi.
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Are you sure they use the same panels???? I thought that Hazro featured normal S-IPS panel and NEC had the newer H-IPS one. BTW do you think these monitors are comparable picture quality, features and performance wise? Or is NEC much better?

ToastyX said:
I don't know why the black one is so much cheaper.
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I've seen that before - no idea either :) It doesn't make any sense to me but that's good for I prefer black anyway.
 
I'm sure they have the same panel. The 24" IPS panels have always been H-IPS. I don't know how they compare since I haven't used the Hazro. The NEC has color-critical features, which makes it better for color accuracy. Other than that, they should be similar in picture quality.
 
Do you know if the Hazro's 26'' version would be much better than 24''? It's about £160 more expensive than Hazro 24'' but do you think it's worth extra money? Frankly, I don't need extra space and I'd rather go with the smaller pixel size but if the panel in the bigger model is much better and offers better overal performance I may as well consider a 1.5'' step up. I suppose that Hazro 26'' uses the same panel as NEC 2690WUXi but what about the rest of the features? Are they the same or is NEC in a completely different league? Thank's!
 
I found the 26" panel to be more problematic. The 26" panel has a tendency to be less uniform than the 24" panel, and all the 26" monitors I've seen had faint horizontal lines, which drives me nuts, but nobody else seems to notice them. IanM confirmed seeing the same problems on the Hazro HZ26W. Other than size, the only thing the 26" panel offers over the 24" is a wider gamut, which I don't recommend unless you know you need it because the wider gamut will oversaturate everything outside of color-managed programs.

The NEC monitors are in a different league when it comes to color-critical features, but other than that, they should be similar.
 
No, I definitely don't need it. I thougth some time ago that it may be useful unitl I read somewhere on the net - I think it was one of the digital photography forums - that in 95% it only makes things worse. After reading that I realized that this is very truth simply because when using a standard graphic card the signal sent from the computer won't cover the wider gamut offerred by the monitor so there has to be some kind translation which can lead to some unnecessesary problems.

What about color-critical features? What's this all about? What are the differences between the monitors in this regard? Could you enlighten me a bit...? ...please? Unless it's obvious and I shouldn't even ask such questions here :) Thank's!
 
They probably gonna be prohibitedly expensive and offer less features than competition. But still.... They are nice, aren't they? :)
 
czajunia said:
They probably gonna be prohibitedly expensive and offer less features than competition. But still.... They are nice, aren't they? :)
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you are right, but I decided to wait it out just to see what happens.
 
I am kind of waiting as well... Unwillingly though, but still... :) Not sure if I don't get the Hazro before the Apple's grand opening.
 
Not yet AFAIK. You can try to ask at the TFTCentral forum for I think they are in touch with Hazro and are going to review more monitors soon. The 26'' model is the next one to be reviewed over there I think.
 
czajunia said:
What about color-critical features? What's this all about? What are the differences between the monitors in this regard? Could you enlighten me a bit...? ...please? Unless it's obvious and I shouldn't even ask such questions here :) Thank's!
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The NEC monitors can be calibrated in the monitor itself to any white point and gamma curve you want within its capabilities, which is a feature very few monitors have.

With 24-bit and 32-bit color, you have 8 bits per RGB channel, which means 256 shades of red, green, and blue. When you calibrate through the video card or through software, you are remapping the 256 shades, but you only have those 256 shades to choose from. There are no in-between shades. This means some shades will be repeated while others will be lost. This adds banding in gradients. You are effectively reducing the color depth. Instead of having 256 distinct shades, you might end up with 200 instead, and some of those shades may not be accurate enough since there are only 256 to choose from.

When you calibrate through the monitor, you are also remapping the 256 shades, but with the 12-bit lookup table in the NEC monitors, you have 4096 shades to choose from. You are basically given in-between shades. This means shades are not likely to be repeated, and you don't have to worry about losing shades. Gradients will remain smooth. You will still have 256 distinct shades, and since there are 4096 to choose from, colors will be more accurate. Also, when you calibrate through the monitor, the brightness can be measured and set automatically, and you don't have to fiddle with any of the color settings to get the best results.

Even without calibration, the NEC monitors have a ton of color controls. You can set brightness, contrast, black level, gamma 0.5-4.0, and color balance, which lets you set color temperature, RGB balance, hue, saturation, and offset, none of which adds banding.

There's also an auto luminance feature which helps maintain a certain brightness using a sensor inside the monitor. There's no need to wait for it to warm up.

On top of that, there's a digital uniformity correction feature called ColorComp, which helps improve white uniformity.

These are the things that make the NEC monitors special.
 
Blimey, thank's a lot ToastyX! Great piece of information.I've read about some of it in the NEC 2690WUXi review at prad.de but I thought it only applied to the 26'' version (there's no reviews of the 2490on the net). So does it mean that all the NEC monitors have these features built in? Or do they apply only to the more professional models like '90 series. I wouldn't expect 2470 to allow hardware calibration. What about 2490? Well it doesn't make to much a difference for me because I can't put my hands on one anyway. Shame.
But I suppose that Hazro monitors allow some color control through their menu. It's probably not as extensive as NECs but there should be something in the monitor in this price range. It would be silly if they put a nice panel and offerred mediocore image control features. Well. You never know.
Thank's again!
 
czajunia said:
So does it mean that all the NEC monitors have these features built in? Or do they apply only to the more professional models like '90 series. I wouldn't expect 2470 to allow hardware calibration. What about 2490?
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Only the professional models have those features. The 2490 and 2690 are basically the same monitor except for the panel, so they have the same features. The 2470 doesn't have those features.
 
and you have to use the spectraview software to really display the benefits of the monitor.
its really worth the cost, at least in my eyes
 
I think it's worth it's price as well. The only problem is that NEC doesn't sell 2490 model in Europe. I even e-mailed them to confirm this and received an aswer:

[....]This monitor is not available in Europe, only the US.
We do other 24" LCD which can be found on the uk website[...]

Great news - 'other 24'' LCD'. The shame that he hasn't mentioned anything about the technology behind the other 24''. If I wanted a TN or *VA panel I probably wouldn't be asking about the 2490, would I? Selling, selling, always selling... :)
 
For anyone interested in getting 2490 in Europe in the future - I just got another answer from NEC.

[...]
Currently there are no plans to introduce this model to Europe or UK.
[...]

:(
 
It's so strange they decide not to sell thier hottest monitor to half the world :confused:
 
I already posted this in another thread, but thought I would update this one too...

So I got the NEC LCD2490WUXi monitor and I have calibrated with NEC SpectraView II and the X-Rite eye-one display 2. The ICC/ICM profile has been added in the Color Management panel in Vista Ultimate 64. I also got a 6500K 90 CRI bias light (like I use for my HDTV) for the back of the monitor.

Words cannot explain how good this monitor is. Worth EVERY penny! :D

It even allows me to turn off scaling and HDCP so I can now turn off scaling in the nVIDIA control panel again. That has bothered me for over a year and I have read it is broken because of HDCP. Well it works when you turn HDCP off! I dont watch movies on my PC, so this rules for gaming in non-native resolutions. :)

If you have the money and you are looking for a new LCD, then DO NOT HESITATE TO BUY THIS ONE!
 
DrRetina said:
It's so strange they decide not to sell thier hottest monitor to half the world :confused:
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Well, now that US is going into recession, maybe they can't sell so many of them there for much longer.

Maybe then they'll give it to us Europeans too? Hope springs eternal.
 
mike_j_johnson said:
I already posted this in another thread, but thought I would update this one too...

So I got the NEC LCD2490WUXi monitor and I have calibrated with NEC SpectraView II and the X-Rite eye-one display 2. The ICC/ICM profile has been added in the Color Management panel in Vista Ultimate 64. I also got a 6500K 90 CRI bias light (like I use for my HDTV) for the back of the monitor.

Words cannot explain how good this monitor is. Worth EVERY penny! :D

It even allows me to turn off scaling and HDCP so I can now turn off scaling in the nVIDIA control panel again. That has bothered me for over a year and I have read it is broken because of HDCP. Well it works when you turn HDCP off! I dont watch movies on my PC, so this rules for gaming in non-native resolutions. :)

If you have the money and you are looking for a new LCD, then DO NOT HESITATE TO BUY THIS ONE!
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Where'd you buy the bias light? Way back when I bought a supposed "daylight" bulb from Home Depot to use as the bias light in my HT system, but would love to get a real 6500K light.
 
So there's really only one 24" IPS monitor to pick. If you're in the US it's the LCD2490WUXi, and if you're in the UK it's the HZ24W. If buying the latter, choose the black color over silver and it will save you $159 (16%).
 
Well... I think there's no hope for us here in Europe but it is still nice to hear that people are so happy with their 2490.

Anyway, at the end of the day, I decided to go for the renowned NEC 20WGX2Pro. It is slightly to small for me (size and resolution wise) but as I managed to pull one out from ebay for a decent price it helped a bit to make up my mind. I decided to get a smaller NEC and wait to see more users' opinions and reviews on Hazro 24'' or maybe wait a bit for them to introduce a new line of products. I don't think I will be able to lay may hands on NEC 2490 I was initially after and I don't expect too many new IPS monitors coming into the 24'' size in the near future either so I probably will have to learn to live with the smaller brother for a while.

I am really sorry if I disappointed anyone from Europe waiting for some thoughts about Hazro 24''. I may still get one though if after using a 20'' panel for a while I really feel that I need extra room to play with.
 
But what if I live in Spain?

Nec doesn't sell the 2490 in Europe, and Hazro only sell in UK. :mad:

What IPS monitor can I buy? I don't want an ACD...
 
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