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I've had an easier time finding a cooling solution and case than I've had in choosing a display. So many, many options and opinions....

However, if you had to choose one 23-24" Monitor for gaming and were previously using a 21" CRT, what would be your suggestion?

I am interested in the Samsung 50 series 2350, although it doesn't appear available yet. I'm further interested in the Samsung 70 series P2370L, however it hasn't hit newegg yet either, and they have pulled the BenQ 24".

I'd like the highest res. possible (1920x1200) and the lowest response time, further, the stand doesn't make much difference as my desk is setup for a good viewing angle.

Any opinions please?
 
The 245BW is not a great panel. It's a simple 5ms TN with pretty bad color tracking and only so-so dithering. It's better than some out of the box, but every technical review I've read notes its uneven backlight and very high measured response times (16-30ms actual). It does not have RTA.

You really don't have much choice at the moment, but you already want 1920x1200, so that's good, but also look for any panel labeled 2ms GtG response time. This signifies a standard 5ms or 8ms panel with an overdrive circuit and perform very well in actual tests. Also, HiFRC dithering is a must for any 6-bit panel.

Narrowing down the list by these parameters on the 'Egg, there isn't much available except for maybe this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236033

Asus monitors do tend to score pretty average to good in technical reviews, so it might be worth it. If you drop the 1920x1200 requirement and go for 1080, you get more options including this LG panel and more Acers:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005126

Buying an LCD right now tends to suck. The only other alternatives are a very pricey NEC IPS panel or an HP one. PVA's currently have too high an input lag to be really considered gaming panels.

Edit: Here's a better sorted list with some 24.6 and similar sizes:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000190020 131061713 1109917843

How about the regular 2370?
 
I was thinking about getting a 25.5 inch samsung. It has a 5ms response time, but it does not say what its GTG response time is. Should I buy a 24 or 27 inch LG instead since they say 2ms GTG?
 
I just ordered a BenQ V2400W from the BenQ store. It's supposed to have almost non-existant lag as well as a great image. $299 shipped if you enter the coupon code "V2400W" when you check out. I'll post back when I receive it.
 
Your best bet would be the BenQ FP241VW. Despite the fact that it's been discontinued for a few years now, I recently got lucky and found a vendor that still sells them brand new (for now). While I got it at $450, it just went up to $470, but the FedEx shipping is free.

Here ya go: http://www.entercomputers.com/benq-fp241vw-24-widescreen-lcd-monitor-fp241vw.html

It comes closest to a CRT in terms of input lag, response times, and even emulating its refresh rate with its BFI feature (a black bar scanning through vertically, just like how a CRT refreshes). I was unfortunate enough to get a dead pixel, but I can live with it since it's only about an inch off from the bottom of the screen.

Seriously, this is one hell of a screen. I'm still tweaking the brightness and contrast controls and have a Pantone Huey to calibrate it. I did a couple of games to see what it's like and it's jaw-dropping!

*Edit* Forgot to mention it's an AMVA panel, and the PerfectMotion feature virtually eliminates input lag, it's amazing.
 
For gaming, I don't care what anybody says, you absolutely have to have a glossy coating on the monitor. The anti-glare coating is like looking through a screen door it absolutely kills the image quality. Even more important is the panel--you really want an S-IPS panel if possible.

I was at Fry's electronics and the monitors that stood out the most were the HP monitors. I have a 20 inch glossy NEC from 2006 and I can't find anything good to replace it with.

This is the decision that will make or break your rig's image quality. I would stick to NEC or HP. I am not sure if you can find a glossy IPS panel but if you can, that is the one you want.
 
Newegg is not a great place to shop for monitors due to the 8 dead pixel return policy.

Which BenQ 24" were you looking at? The BenQ Store has the E2400HD (a 1920x1080 TN), the G2400WD (probably the best 24" TN panel, but it's backordered, but you might try ordering it anyway) and the V2400W, which is pretty much the same as the G2400WD but with a more stylish stand (which you may or may not like).

For 24" IPS monitors, your choices are the HP LP2475w which runs around $600, and the NEC 2490, which runs around $1100.

A common rival to the HP LP2475w is the Dell 2408WFP, but it is a S-PVA panel with several revisions, some with more input lag than others, and the LP2475w is probably better.

The BFI on the BenQ FP241VW was an experimental mode, and most people notice the flickering it causes; maybe that technology will work better on a 120Hz monitor. Its previous models, the FP241W and FP241WZ had blackout issues that were never resolved, but I think they were solved for the FP241VW - and then supply dried up. This is the first I've seen that it is available again somewhere.
 
evilsofa said:
The BFI on the BenQ FP241VW was an experimental mode, and most people notice the flickering it causes; maybe that technology will work better on a 120Hz monitor. Its previous models, the FP241W and FP241WZ had blackout issues that were never resolved, but I think they were solved for the FP241VW - and then supply dried up. This is the first I've seen that it is available again somewhere.
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I know, I couldn't believe my luck. Now that I've mentioned about it on here, I'm predicting a rapid sell-off of all remaining FP241VW models. Better get it while you still can, and for a bargain, too.

As for the BFI, I played around with it a little bit, but have yet to try it on games or video. I did notice a bit of flickering when first switching it on, but then it kind of disappeared. I really liked the idea of it because it emulates a CRT's refresh, therefore making it look a bit more "natural" to our eyes.

Oh, by the way, my screen has not blacked out thus far (knock on wood).
 
Nearly everyone that reviewed any monitor with the black frame insertion feature hated it and turned it off.
 
That's funny... there are a lot of tn options but not really any other option beside tn in the US. When it comes to ips you only have a few around $500-$600 until you get to the $1k mark. IMO our selection is limited.
 
Wendig0 said:
That's funny... there are a lot of tn options but not really any other option beside tn in the US. When it comes to ips you only have a few around $500-$600 until you get to the $1k mark. IMO our selection is limited.
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Up until now, IPS monitors cost more to make because they require a much brighter backlight than TNs do. e-IPS has a new technology that allows use of a much cheaper backlight, driving prices down to TN levels. The only e-IPS monitor so far is the Dell 2209WA, a 22" e-IPS monitor that goes for between $206 and $275, depending on what deal Dell has going at the time, and it blows away any TN in picture quality. It is fervently hoped by many in this forum that 24" e-IPS monitors with prices like TNs start showing up.
 
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