22 or 24lcds, first hand information needed

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barry_hhh

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hi everyone , im looking for a new monitor my crt is starting to feel small these days.
i have read reviews upon reviews but they mean nothing compared to first hand experience, so what monitors do you own and reccomend?

if i go 22 im looking at a samsung 226bw or
Dell E228WFP 22

if i go 24 im looking at a Dell UltraSharp 2407WFP HC

do any of you actually own these monitors and what do you think?
i will be running the monitor with a xfx 8800gtx xxx

this will be used for video editing and gaming , any ideas would be appreciated.!

thanks heaps
 
I'm almost in the same boat as you. I have an 8800GTS 320mb of which I do play some games and I am deciding between 22" or 24", 1680x1050 vs 1920x1200. I want to be able to play games smoothly but I also want the bigger resolution. For you I would think a 24" is good, for me, I'm inclined to take the 22". But now I don't know anymore.

I've looked at both 22 and 24" and besides the more real estate, there isn't that much of a difference.
 
onetwenty8k said:
I'm almost in the same boat as you. I have an 8800GTS 320mb of which I do play some games and I am deciding between 22" or 24", 1680x1050 vs 1920x1200. I want to be able to play games smoothly but I also want the bigger resolution. For you I would think a 24" is good, for me, I'm inclined to take the 22". But now I don't know anymore.

I've looked at both 22 and 24" and besides the more real estate, there isn't that much of a difference.
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Really not true. The new very cheap 24" panels may use TN film but there are lots of P-MVA and S-PVA panels out there which are better than the 22" TN film monitors in color shift and viewing angles. Many of the "5ms" rated 22" panels are worse than the 8ms 24" panels in terms of input lag too. I'm not saying you shouldn't get a 22" monitor, but be aware of what the differences are. If you find them not objectionable for your use, go for the best deal.
http://www.behardware.com/articles/662-1/22-inch-lcd-monitors-the-second-coming.html
 
Thanks for the information. I posted a Which LCD thread but I didn't get many useful responses. But now that you're here, tell me, what LCD should I get of the 22 and 24" catagories. I really don't want to spend more than $500. Thank you :)
 
so does anyone actually have these monitors?
i would love to read first hand stories
im getting very sick of my old monitor!
 
I've got a 2407wfp (old non HC rev04) and the LG L245WP (MVA panel) monitor.
The dell does have better text sharpness, and I preferred to read websites on a philips widescreen 20'' S-IPS monitor when it was connected as 2nd display next to the LG. (but it's a minor difference, especially compared to a CRTs blurriness)
The LG seems to be the least laggy proper 24''er out there, but the dell are close and you probably won't notice the lag unless you're into FPS games.
For video editing I'd take the 2407wfp-HC because the Monitors gamut is closer to NTSC. (if you're in the US or japan, the LG would work better in europe/australia, the smaller gamut is more identical to the PAL standard)

The xfx 8800gtx xxx should be fine with a 24''er the 320MB geforce will have a few problems with memory hungry games. http://www.behardware.com/articles/644-12/nvidia-geforce-8800-gtx-8800-gts.html
 
there is a 22 inch tft with a S-PVA panel, its the samsung syncmaster 215TW. that one has the same quality panels that the bigger 24 inchers use. so big viewing angles, good colors etc. it has a resolution of 1680x1080, and is quite cheaper than a 24 incher with a 1900x1200 resolution.
 
I have a 226BW and I think it's fine. Great for gaming, text is clear and sharp, etc. However, if you're really picky, spend the extra money and get a 24" monitor. The color reproduction, overall clarity, viewing angles and such are all better. One of the guys at the monthly LAN parties I go to has a Dell 2405WFP and his screen looks a lot better then mine. That said, I don't really notice the difference when I don't have his around for comparison. If you could pick a 226BW up to use for a week or so, I'd go that route. If you're happy with it, you'll save yourself a ton of money. The Dell 2407WFP is twice the price of the 226BW.

BTW, the 215TW listed above is a 21" monitor, not a 22" monitor. Not a huge difference, but I still thought I'd clarify. It's also ~$450, which is a bit steep. With a MIR you can get the 226BW for around $280.
 
226BW is obviously TN so thats why its cheaper... thats why you pay extra for a S-PVA panel like on the 215TW with nicer angles and colors. Just want to point out that not only 24 inch screens get the nicer panels.
 
The samsung seems to earn fairly respectable reviews. Anyways....

I want to best buy to check the different sizes for LCDs, I too am deciding between 22" and 24" and there isn't a whole lot of a difference. The 226BW is an incredible monitor, it looks great. I couldn't really test it the way I wanted or needed to but it looks nice.

The westinghouse 24" looked nice but I didn't like the outside. The samsung had a nicer casing for my preferences.

The gateway LCDs looked nice in general and had strong colors

As for the monitor I will be getting, I'm too afraid to get 1920x1200 because at home, i wan to play some games on it so it will be the 22" Samsung (most likely)
 
That's one reason why I went with the 226BW, 1680x1050 is a lot easier to do then 1920x1200. The other reason was the money. I can justify ~$300 on a monitor and it looks a lot better then my old 19" LCD, but I can't justify a $500 - $600 price. I'm not super picky about colors and viewing angles. Both have been non-issues for me. To me, the monitor looks great and text is clear and sharp. Do the 24" panels look better? Hell yeah, but for half the price I can live with the 226BW. That's why I suggest test driving it if you can. ;)
 
I finally got a new monitor , i ended up going with the samsung 226bw.
i have checked everywhere and i cant find out what panel it is all i can find is it was made in april 2007,all i know is straight out of the box it looks awesome!
cheers for all your input.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THIS MONITOR TO ANYONE,!!
 
What technical basis would there be for a 24" TN film monitor to be better than a 22" one? As far as I understand it, the larger a monitor gets, the more difficult it is to achieve and perform at its optimal specs. Now there may be new stocks of 24" panels where some batches happen to perform better than some older 22" ones, but I dont believe there is any technical basis to say these 24" ones are better than 22" ones.
 
amenx said:
What technical basis would there be for a 24" TN film monitor to be better than a 22" one? As far as I understand it, the larger a monitor gets, the more difficult it is to achieve and perform at its optimal specs. Now there may be new stocks of 24" panels where some batches happen to perform better than some older 22" ones, but I dont believe there is any technical basis to say these 24" ones are better than 22" ones.
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That would be because a lot of 24" monitors use non-TN panels.
 
I have a 2407 myself. It is not the perfect monitor, but I'm still holding out on buying a 2nd 22" for the following reasons:

Most 22" have very limited adjustments for height, two directional tilt and pivoting, all of which are present on my 24" and very much used. I would have to buy an aftermarket arm, AND many of the 22" don't even have vesa mounting brackets to allow you to even change out the monitor arm.

The 24" generally have more inputs for connecting HD consoles and the like and some of them even have decent processing of older analog inputs. With a 22" I would have to buy some kind of external switching device and most can't even accept 480p component inputs (Wii) or 1080p digital HDCP input (PS3). Despite being 16:10, some of the 24" monitors will display 4:3 and 16:9 content in the correct aspect ratio and / or 1:1 pixel mapped even from consoles which don't have the ability to correct for this in software. This is a big deal for me. Note that not every 24" supports this in every mode and every input - do your research for your particular needs and uses in the Dell, Benq, etc threads.

Despite ridiculous ratings like 2ms and 5ms they still have worse input lag and blurring compared to 24" 8ms S-PVA and M-PVA panels. (See my previous post in this thread for a link with pictures and reviews.)

22" panels have extreme vertical color shifts which are noticable on solid colored backgrounds even if you don't move in your seat, and especially so if you're like me and start sitting lower in your seat after using the computer for a few hours and feeling tired. No height adjustment doesn't help. Some people think that this doesn't matter, and I can believe that, I'm just saying it matters to me personally. Luckily the horizontal color shift is much improved over old 19" TN film monitors.

The extra real estate is accompanied by extra resolution. If it was just the size, I could discount it, but I like the extra resolution. I can see full 1080p 1:1 with no dropped information.

Non-native resolutions look better on some of the 24" with better processing. Although the Samsung 226" is not bad in this respect.

Again, the above things may not matter to many people, and I'm not dissing their buying choices - I'm just telling you why I'm holding off on any 22" TN film purchases for now.

I would buy a 2nd monitor ideally if it had the following:
Height adjust, 2 dir tilt and pivot adjustment.
Non TN fim panel
1080p + HDCP support
Nice scaling so that I can run various resolutions without it looking bad / tearing / showing me artifacts.
Analog inputs (component + svideo/composite) with decent processing (some have them but they look really, really, really bad.)
Decent aspect ratio controls.
 
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