22-24" Display for office and programming

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Hey everyone

After nearly 5 years at university I have finally a small office of my own and I plan to install a computer instead of using my small laptop.
My whole problem is to find a proper screen, at home I have enjoyed my investment in the Samsung 193p+ (S-PVA) for many years and seek another good screen to service me at my studies which mostly will be office use and programming.
I have been avoiding IPS panels so far because I heard much about the tinting issues and graininess due to coating, my focus have therefore been on VA panels. but affordable ones are rare to find.
After some research I had my eyes on Eizo EV2333W, got awsome reviews but read that some people had problems with the summing of the internal power supply.
Then I caught eye on the Samsung F2830MX, not heard any major problems with them and here in Denmark it cost quite less, EV2333W is around 470 dollars and F2380MX is seen at 340 dollars.
Value is also an aspect and I am a bit split, the lower price of F2380 is tempting, but I can't decide between them, and does a possible third option exist?

I hope someone can help me decide choosing another great monitor that hopefully will serve me well the next many years.

Regards

Sebastian Aslund
 
Because my AW2310 (very bright TN, 120Hz) display exhibited a strong rainbow-colored sparkle due to the coating which really bothered me, I bought an F2380M a few days ago for home office use. They send me an F2380MX first, which I'm going to return because of the color. I cannot stand white devices on an office desk. While the F2380M does have some problems with greys (especially blue on grey looks awful), white areas are very pleasing to my eyes. The ag coating is very sublte on that display, it does not cause rainbow colored sparkle. The major drawback of that display is the 16:9 aspect ratio. You should really check if you can live with the low vertical resolution, before deciding. I use a 1920x1200 TN at work and 16:10 is just so much better.

The picture quality of the AW2310 is good as long as I do not have to look at static white areas for a longer time. I'm fine with that because I bought it for gaming.

The F2380MX is reported to have better picture quality than the F2380(M), but I did not test it myself. I stopped unboxing it as I noticed the color.
 
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Hey omniscence

My experiences with monitors is mostly with my 19" 193P+ and my 15.4" 16:10 1680*1050 laptop screen.
On my laptop I am perfectly happy with my vertical resolution, quite the opposite I actually feel the horizontal is too narrow for true side by side work, so for my taste/needs I actually have a good feeling about 16.9. ;)

Does others have some thoughts regarding the subject? :)

Regards

Sebastian
 
Find a refurbed Dell 2408. Should be able to find for $300 or a bit less. It's a 1920x1200 PVA display. It is wide-gamut though if that's a concern for you. They show up from time to time on dfsdirectsales or you can try the ebay gamble.

That said, I'm currently trying out both a refurbed 2408 (Rev A00) next to a used HP ZR24w and at this point I'm thinking that I'll be keeping the HP (it has far less input lag which is important for gaming) so if you want one that you know has no dead/stuck pixels, I may have one to part with in a week or so.
 
Hey Khanmots, thanks for your offer, but I am not interested in refurbed monitor and I also want to try out a 16:9 monitor.

Right now my heart and mind is set for EV2333W or F2380MX, problem is to choose between them.
 
Did you consider the Benq BL2400BT? It is a semi-glossy PVA panel with LED backlight. I really like the semi-glossy panel, but the displays show some backlight "ripple" at the lower edge.
 
Hey omnisence, I had looked at it and thought this would be the monitor I would buy, but the panel uniformity and ripple that people have experienced does not attract me.

For me the F2380MX seems interesting regarding the price and good contrast, there have been some worries regarding white colour, but my own 193p+ is silver/white, so should be able to live with it.
The input lag is also reported to be low, but with some lack in motion response, but since the most advanced I will do on the monitor is to simulate motion of robots, then I don't think it is so critical.

With the EV2333W, well, could just be nice to own an Eizo screen and I like the design alot, but apparently it has a high input lack compared to F2380MX and I am unsure how this will affect real life performance. I also read some people have experienced humming from the screen to a higher degree then Prad did, but neither Eizo in sweden or a retailer here in Denmark have any reports about it.
The picture quality should be great, but I do not really know much better it is then F2380MX, and I am also a bit nervous regarding the pixel warrenty from Eizo which allows a few bright pixels on the screen.

So all in all I am terrible split, love the design of Eizo and I must admit the name too, on the other hand F2380MX seems to me as a screen with fever complains, but unknown comparison with the EV2333W.
 
The EV2333W uses the same base panel as the F2380MX, but its own power supply and logic board. I have one using Australian mains power, and there is negligible hum or noise - equivalent to the 2209WA but slightly higher in tone. I can't hear it because of my dusty PSU fan. The picture quality is excellent, with superb grayscale and colour temperature. The only compromise is image stability compared to IPS. It needs a deep desk for multimedia. I also can't find any pixel errors.
 
Since you mentioned input lag, are you going to use the panel for gaming? From what I have seen I would not recommend that. It seems to have a terrible black to white response time. You can see a trail if you drag a black window over the screen. If you don't plan to game on it input lag is a non-issue.
 
omniscence said:
Since you mentioned input lag, are you going to use the panel for gaming? From what I have seen I would not recommend that. It seems to have a terrible black to white response time. You can see a trail if you drag a black window over the screen. If you don't plan to game on it input lag is a non-issue.
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There is negligible trailing on white -> black or black -> white on the ev2333w regardless of the overdrive mode. The weak transition is dark -> dark.

In terms of gaming, I find myself replaying the games I have just because of the excellent performance of this monitor. Sort of like listening to familiar music with new headphones. So while this monitor isn't my first recommendation for counter-strike, it is certainly my first preference for... you know... actually playing games.
 
...but apparently it has a high input lack compared to F2380MX and I am unsure how this will affect real life performance.
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Umh, where did you read that? :p
If I remember correctly, PRAD measured the EV2333 to have like ~22 milliseconds of input-lag.
That's nothing to worry the least bit about for anyone except those über-rare gamers playing for money.


From the thread Input lag wars on AVS Forum.
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Does this lag Matter to me?

Input lag matters to many HDTV users, Mainly Gamers that like to play fast twitch FPS games, Fighting games (street fighter style), Music games (guitar hero/rock band) any game where timing is important. It can also effect Normal TV users that never play games and watch a lot of movies on their TV, depending on your setup. If you route all sound into your TV and do not have a surround receiver you are unlikely to see lip sync problems however, if you do use a Surround Receiver and it does not have HDMI or you are not using HDMI into the Receiver you may notice that the lip sync on your BD/DVD's is every so slightly off due to the sound output from your DVD player being plugged directly into the Receiver and is being played back when it is supposed to be played back. If you do see that happen in this type of situation it is likely you HDTV is DELAYING the video signal so much that you can notice it visually even in a movie

Generally most People cannot see or feel a difference of less than 30ms roughly 2 frames, some say they can but they are the rare few and likely younger people

3 frames delayed seems to be a Grey area where some people can notice it and others cannot, if you can notice this much delay you can often adapt to it and become used to it but it can very much still impact your gaming performance in games played online most notably FPS games due to the need for leading moving targets in the game etc.

4+ frames delayed is too much delay and should be readily noticeable to just about anyone if they took the time to notice it and is very detrimental to game play

For a visual example of how this effects your game play in FPS games here is a video of a guy playing counterstrike on a Sony EX5 (EX500 in the US)
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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1131464

And a comprehensive post by the user Sycraft
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1035738597&postcount=3


About the Eizo, are you aware that it comes with two different kinds of feet (or stands as I think you say in English :) )? Make sure you order the "right" version.
Regarding the risk of getting a sample that hums noticeably, I wouldn't worry, there's always "Öppet köp" or Øbet kØb as you Danes might call it. :D
 
Hey

I am not plans right now to game on my new screen. My old monitor, the Samsung 193P+ PVA screen with 8ms g2g was my beloved gaming screen for many years when I was a teenager, so it is not that I am used to very low input lag, but I am just trying to seek differences, even the subtle ones, to help myself with deciding between them.

But I must admit that I am leaning a bit towards Samsung atm, even though I have the ability to return a screen after 2 weeks with no questions asked, then the transport is not refunded and it is damn expensive here (monopoly ftw) and will give a loss of around 30 dollars every time I decide to return a screen. (Yes, I am a poor student).
A local shop will get the Samsung in a few days and I will have a look at it, if the design is attractive enough then I will go for it as it seems picture wise there is not difference between Samsung and Eizo.
 
Aslund said:
Hey

I am not plans right now to game on my new screen. My old monitor, the Samsung 193P+ PVA screen with 8ms g2g was my beloved gaming screen for many years when I was a teenager, so it is not that I am used to very low input lag, but I am just trying to seek differences, even the subtle ones, to help myself with deciding between them.

But I must admit that I am leaning a bit towards Samsung atm, even though I have the ability to return a screen after 2 weeks with no questions asked, then the transport is not refunded and it is damn expensive here (monopoly ftw) and will give a loss of around 30 dollars every time I decide to return a screen. (Yes, I am a poor student).
A local shop will get the Samsung in a few days and I will have a look at it, if the design is attractive enough then I will go for it as it seems picture wise there is not difference between Samsung and Eizo.
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The F2380 has major image issues which require hardware calibration. Two people on this forum say that the black crush is "fixed" on the F2380MX, but they haven't justified this with evidence.
 
Jonte said:
About the Eizo, are you aware that it comes with two different kinds of feet (or stands as I think you say in English :) )? Make sure you order the "right" version.
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The EV2333 seems to be only available with FlexStand, which has the higher adjustment ranges (and is heavier).
 
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omniscence said:
The EV2333 seems to be only available with FlexStand, which has the higher adjustment ranges (and is heavier).
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I received mine with the Tristand. I believe this is because mine came directly from Japan to Australia and the Tristand version has smaller box dimensions.
 
Here there are two version of Eizo at least, one with pivot and other without basically.

I might be a bit naive, but I have read a bit reviews from NCX and seems to me that he knows what he talks about, so just assumed that when he said it was fixed, then it actually was.
 
Aslund said:
Here there are two version of Eizo at least, one with pivot and other without basically.

I might be a bit naive, but I have read a bit reviews from NCX and seems to me that he knows what he talks about, so just assumed that when he said it was fixed, then it actually was.
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F2380MX compared to Daysis IPS.

I wouldn't bank on it until someone with the F2380MX provides a picture of http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php being displayed pre-calibration. If the F2380MX actually fixes the problems of the F2380, then Samsung has turned a rum deal into a good value monitor.
 
That comparison is nearly enough to make me buy it, the samsung looks wonderful :D
 
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