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Do you guys not consider the QD-OLED's glossy? Like, I can see my face in the black right now.
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It is absolutely glossy which is why I considered the WOLED's matte finish to be more on the semi gloss side. The WOLEDs are no way in hell "as matte as they come". Even RTings classifies the QD-OLEDs as glossy and the WOLEDs as semi glossy.

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Rtings classifies it as glossy, it's not matte.

I guess it's not like the TVs, but not like other monitors either. IDK, don't have one. I want the 480hz mode.
 
KazeoHin said:
Is it glossy?

Survey says: no 😮‍💨
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I'm staring at it right now.

Yes. Absolutely.

The 'anti-reflective" coating is something like what you get on glasses to keep glare down. It doesn't affect clarity at all.
 
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Regardless of anyone's tastes, it's a fact we're spoiled rotten with all the recent OLED offerings.
Dont forget that just 2 years ago our only real options were an Ultrawide model with relatively low refresh rate, and a TV that accidently happened to work well as a good desktop monitor (and not for everyone).
 
kalston said:
At 960hz we can skip the BFI part. At 480hz I think it also won't matter to most people.

But yeah, give me those hertz. OLED can take it.
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You'd have to run the games at 480fps though.

Yeah there's frame generation, but that adds a latency penalty.

We really need good BFI, particularly a rolling strobe that we can control the duration of (1ms, 2ms, etc.) for a flicker/clarity tradeoff.
 
Enhanced Interrogator said:
We really need good BFI, particularly a rolling strobe that we can control the duration of (1ms, 2ms, etc.) for a flicker/clarity tradeoff.
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Motion clarity always comes at the cost of brightness, with BFI.
Frame generation is the more ideal implementation, at higher frames rates (180fps+) the latency isnt noticeable and you get much better motion clarity.
 
I'd really like a 32" 1440p OLED. I'm almost ready to cave and buy a 34" ultrawide which is far from my first choice but 27" is too small for me and with my current GPU (4070 Super) I'd rather not get a 4k monitor for FPS reasons. I'm also hesitant because 250 cd/m2 is just not very bright. I've got a 65" S90D and I'm afraid that beside it I'd be disappointed with current OLED monitors on the market. On the other hand I'm not satisfied with my current monitor a Samsung G7, it's decent for SDR but HDR is terrible.
 
MistaSparkul said:
As matte as they come? Yeah that's incorrect. the Samsung Neo G8 is as matte as they come. I literally have the PG32UCDP and an Acer X27 and the matte finish on the OLED is even lighter than the Acer. Perhaps semi gloss isn't correct, but the point is that the matte is light enough to not be a dealbreaker. Hell I literally had the PG32UCDP side by side with a QD OLED and still didn't think it was a dealbreaker.

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Samsung Display/Electronics representative has to be told QD-OLED with W-OLED’s Glossy film is the right approach going 2025 onwards.

Some of us here and on AVS Forums need to reach out.
 
tongshadow said:
Regardless of anyone's tastes, it's a fact we're spoiled rotten with all the recent OLED offerings.
Dont forget that just 2 years ago our only real options were an Ultrawide model with relatively low refresh rate, and a TV that accidently happened to work well as a good desktop monitor (and not for everyone).
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We are spoiled. Most of this century we just had awful LCD tech in the wake of excellent CRT tech's demise.
 
Enhanced Interrogator said:
You'd have to run the games at 480fps though.

Yeah there's frame generation, but that adds a latency penalty.

We really need good BFI, particularly a rolling strobe that we can control the duration of (1ms, 2ms, etc.) for a flicker/clarity tradeoff.
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Yes, OLED Motion Pro is fantastic and could be made even better if it was brought back.
 
Xar said:
Samsung Display/Electronics representative has to be told QD-OLED with W-OLED’s Glossy film is the right approach going 2025 onwards.

Some of us here and on AVS Forums need to reach out.
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Samsung omitted the polarizer layer. To help get a brighter display, they cheated. At least from the standpoint that blacks were basically the point of OLED. That said QD-OLED is still remarkable. Still overall advocated it to a friend who made a recent TV purchase. (For example, I've seen the S90D and it's gorgeous.)
 
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You'll have plenty of options for a monitor in 2025. The current 4K lineups will be refreshed to include DP 2.1 UHBR20 which will pair nicely with the 5090. The 1440p QD OLEDs will have a refresh rate upgrade from 360Hz to 500Hz and probably DP 2.1 UHBR20 as well. All WOLEDs will be using the new subpixel structure of RGWB for better text clarity.
 
Blackstone said:
I have Sony A95L QD-OLED and it is the best display I’ve ever seen, period. Glossy. It is my primary gaming display, but I need a monitor for my office.
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The A95L is semi-Glossy btw. It still has that visible purple black like the S90/95s when view in uncontrolled bright environment. Other than that, the best IQ so far. Proper tuned QD-OLED with DV is just unmatched.
 
I have an OLED iPhone screen and yeah, when my kids are older and can be trusted not to break shit, I will definitely be getting an OLED TV. The fact that you can get them in HUGE sizes is a plus as well. I will probably never have to get another projector again.
 
1 lower prices. especially on ultrawides
2 a 4k ultrawide oled with drastically better subpixel layout for clear fonts in dark mode, 240hz, kvm, and a 6+ USB ports would be an elite level work+gaming monitor. I had high hopes for that Dell but... lol
 
MistaSparkul said:
You'll have plenty of options for a monitor in 2025. The current 4K lineups will be refreshed to include DP 2.1 UHBR20 which will pair nicely with the 5090. The 1440p QD OLEDs will have a refresh rate upgrade from 360Hz to 500Hz and probably DP 2.1 UHBR20 as well. All WOLEDs will be using the new subpixel structure of RGWB for better text clarity.
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Vincent kinda confirmed the upcoming PG27UCDM is QD-OLED.

https://x.com/Vincent_Teoh/status/1864700303787938188


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW69WeDXelo
 
Where's the OLED panel monitor for the old popular 38" Ultrawide 3840 x 1600 size?

I love that size and resolution, would love a new version running the latest OLED tech and running 360hz
 
Zorachus said:
Where's the OLED panel monitor for the old popular 38" Ultrawide 3840 x 1600 size?

I love that size and resolution, would love a new version running the latest OLED tech and running 360hz
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The 45 inch 5120x2160 240hz 800R OLED would be better than 3840x1600 to me. They are about 18" tall, where the screen surface of a 31.5 inch 16:9 is 15.5" tall (42 inch 16x9 OLED's entire display is ~ 21.3" tall), for comparison. So the 45 inch 5120x2160 's central 4k portion is like the size of a ~ 37 inch 16x9 screen. 640px + 3840px + 640px wide. The center of curvature is 800R(adius) = 800mm = around 31.5". Most would sit somewhat closer than that with some tradeoffs(potentially exacerbate geometry issues and uniformity issues somewhat), but the nearer you sat the taller it would look to your perspective and the more the sides would wrap around or into your periphery for immerison. There is probably a good sweet spot for gaming, and then center of curvature distance if possible for desktop/apps.
 
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elvn said:
The 45 inch 5120x2160 240hz 800R OLED would be better than 3840x1600 to me. They are about 18" tall, where the screen surface of a 31.5 inch 16:9 is 15.5" tall (42 inch 16x9 OLED's entire display is ~ 21.3" tall), for comparison. So the 45 inch 5120x2160 's central 4k portion is like the size of a ~ 37 inch 16x9 screen. 640px + 3840px + 640px wide. The center of curvature is 800R(adius) = 800mm = around 31.5". Most would sit somewhat closer than that with some tradeoffs(potentially exacerbate geometry issues and uniformity issues somewhat), but the nearer you sat the taller it would look to your perspective and the more the sides would wrap around or into your periphery for immerison. There is probably a good sweet spot for gaming, and then center of curvature distance if possible for desktop/apps.
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I agree a 45" OLED with that 5120 res would be super cool. Is that officially coming out next year?
 
Enhanced Interrogator said:
You'd have to run the games at 480fps though.

Yeah there's frame generation, but that adds a latency penalty.

We really need good BFI, particularly a rolling strobe that we can control the duration of (1ms, 2ms, etc.) for a flicker/clarity tradeoff.
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You should check out this post: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2024...rt-tvs-in-existence/?comments=1&post=43390577

Details on the Github:https://github.com/blurbusters/crt-beam-simulator

The TL;DR: is with high refresh rate OLED and shadertoys you can get a really good CRT effect without BFI once you get to 240hz or above.

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Blurbusters did a review and liked it:https://blurbusters.com/crt-simulation-in-a-gpu-shader-looks-better-than-bfi/

May solve the issue with BFI being left out of a lot of newer displays.
 
Yeah, that's going to be awesome workaround for people on high refresh displays. But a post-process shader comes with some drawbacks. Like triggering anti-cheat in multiplayer games, and usually some degree of latency penalty. Sometimes issues with frame pacing because of conflicts with timing in the game's engine (I've experienced this with Special K's injected BFI)

So hopefully this sort of thing will be built into OLEDs in the future. So it works natively without software workarounds on the source end.

But the problem is, even with fairly informed people like on this forum, people just don't know what they're missing with BFI. It's been such a long time since any of them have used a CRT, they don't know what motion clarity looks like.

So when people don't know what they're missing, they don't ask for it. So manufactures don't bother with it
 
I'm really looking forward in 2025 to the new RGWB subpixel layout from LG Display. Probably CES 2025 will announce an army of these panels. You can see WOLED and QD-OLED displays going on sale like mad - everyone is dumping their stock, a big change is about to happen.

OLED contrast, colors, response and high refresh with higher resolution and without the text fringing.

The RGWB panel they already released in 2024 looks promising.

Also with Nvidia Blackwell(5xxx series) pretty much sure to be announced at CES, DisplayPort 2.1 wide adoption is bound to happen, which helps with these crazy high resolutions and refresh rates.

/shut up and take my money
 
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Myself I am waiting to see if QD-OLED TVs get refresh rate boost from 144Hz to something more reasonable like 240Hz. Their 8K monitors can do 2160p240 so no reason for OLEDs to be limited to 144Hz.
WOLED on the other hand I am totally uninterested because my eyes are incompatible* with this tech and even ignoring that I don't like near-black luminance** overshoot which ruins dark scenes.
Subpixel structure it would be nice if it was changed on QD-OLED to normal RGB - especially on monitors. If it was I would not replace my QD-OLED monitor because I use it for games and videos exclusively.
Maybe if RGB was used and OLED emitters got serious upgrade making them much more resistant to burn-in it would be good reason to upgrade my whole monitor setup and ditch using IPS for desktop completely. I guess however it will be still some time until that happens - maybe even not until QDEL becomes a product I can buy.

*) Number of strange visual artifacts like black sticking out from dark gray backgrounds, colors look quite strange and on top of that no matter how I set white-point including using hardware calibration I will always end up seeing white as having wrong color. It is like more than typical display my eyes get in some way tired from the panel. I had somewhat similar issue on FW900 which has somewhat similar colors but to nowhere the same extent. QD-OLED is totally free from such issues. That said I would not say I feel eyes tired or anything - just there is this strange impression that cells in some sense get tired. Hard to explain. Anyways, not a fan of WOLED color presentation.
**) Originally it was called "near-black chrominance overshoot" but name makes zero sense and I guess it was conceived by mistake. It is luminance which shoots up.
 
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